**how much would u pay for this??** Showjumper/warmblood

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How much would u pay for this horse???

16.2hh, un backed 3 yr old... Bay belgian warmblood gelding. Pink papered (full breeding known)- by pavarotti van de helle/ pilot has lancer 11/landgraf 1/ladykiller lines also.

Many of Pavarotti's progeny predominantly compete grand prix dressage and have continuous wins through the ages. Paganini (half brother to this horse)- olympia 06 and 07 but those that are known for showjumping are international (quintus etc etc)..

Horse has loose jumped to 1.50m+ (very loose easy/effortless jump)and has 'off the floor' paces. Seems very willing/friendly no vices. No lumps, bumps/blemishes...good to load catch all that malark

Isn;'t phased by anything- not spooky at all very balanced and naturally rhythmical and uphill.

What do u think potential showjumper??? how much would u pay assuming it passed 5 stage vetting with nothing found at all! or how much would u EXPECT TO pay ( i no not all of u show jump) but what seems a reasonable price for this??



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Interestingly one of the main complaints on this forum recently has been crazy purchase prices of horses... yet theres been some pretty high ones suggested here for an unbroken youngster making a not awesome shape over a fence.

With weezy tbh, well probably less in my personal case as im not a jumping person. But im not a mad lover of that potential word ;p
 
*whispers* If I really WAS in the market for an unbroken 3 year old as this one is, I wouldn't pay more than £3500...thought I would be kind. Must say I am with you Tierra, people moan and then WOW some of the prices mentioned on here are astounding!
 
yea! and theyre usually whining about horses that have at least done a little bit of competing! :P

If people are willing to pay 6k and upwards for an unbroken baby, can they really complain when they cant find novice level competition horses for under 12k? :P
 
Personally I just wouldn't buy unless for under £1k as a project as the jump and conformation are just not what I would be looking for in a showjumping youngster. I have no doubt though that someone would buy for silly money due to the breeding and the scope it has shown loose schooling...
 
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I think some people have unrealistic ideas on price and expect to get a nice young well bred horse showing potential for peanuts.

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SHOWING potential...the horse hasn't even been sat on yet! Sure, it is nicely bred, not phenomenally bred but never mind. There are thousands of horses bred every year that, on paper, should be world beaters, very, VERY few make it. Sure, breed well and you err on the side of caution and hopefully some sparkle of the sire/dam will rub off on the offspring, but nothing is ever certain!
 
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Well bred horses cost a lot of money to breed ,I feel sorry for breeders if they can't get a decent price for a very nice horse.

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I totally agree with that, but £8k for an unstarted horse is taking the pee a little IMHO.
 
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I think some people have unrealistic ideas on price and expect to get a nice young well bred horse showing potential for peanuts.

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'if' directed at me whole point is I wouldn't want this horse other than to buy on and sell as a project because I would be looking for a better technique and conformation from an unbroken 3yo. If i ever buy projects I do so very cheaply infact any horse I buy I do so 'cheaply' or in my mind reasonably. At this point in time I don't invisage paying (at current prices) anything more than £5k for a horse and would prefer to pay at most £3k.

If you know where to look you can buy better bred and better built horses for well under £5k you just have to bypass the dealers who themselves import them for about £2k a piece (not at this point am I inferring anything about this particular horse as I do not know who owns it who imported it etc etc etc) and then mark them up hugely.

Warmbloods from the continent often cost minimal amounts to breed/raise compared to in England and most (not all) that reach british soil are considered rejects hence why they are sold to foreigners and not kept in the country of origin.

Maybe I should remove myself from my soapbox this evening as reading back my reply perhaps bit harsh but I blame being ill so it stays
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Just been back and looked at the rest of the replies and one thing atonished me, just how much do some people think it costs to breed a horse to three?
A price of £1000 wouldn't even cover the mare's stud fee and keep costs to a decent stallion!
You work it out on the stud fee, keeping the mare 11 months whilst in foal, then keeping the foal three years including foot trims, vaccs, worming and feeding and you can't get less than £4500..no matter how cheaply you keep the horse.
As someone has had the brains to actually breed such a nice horse you can expect them to want a bit of profit, and if you reckon on the general mark up in shops being 33% adding a third onto that value gives you around six thousand pounds which is what the public should be paying.
Why do you expect breeders to subsidise your purchase of horses? For the good ones we breed sometimes ther are a few not so good along the way, yet still the breeders tries to improve and produce the very best horse they can fit for the purpose it's aimed at.
So please think about the above when estimating your guesses, would you like to work all year then be paid a lot less than you feel you're worth?
(rant over and I haven't touched a drop either! We lost the bottle opener so no chance!)
 
It's blood lines are good, if my 3 yr old jumped like that loose I'd be thrilled and it's paces also look very good. they say it's temperement is also good.
18 yrs ago I paid £3000 for an unbroken 2yr old who I just saw trotted up. That was a lot of money then but she was bought for her potential. Good proven blood lines and movement. She went to grade B SJ and advanced eventing and has bred 5 super foals.
Why shouldn't breeders be able to recoup their financial outlay as I know to get my youngsters to 3 yr old with regular worming, trimming, vaccinations and keep is at least £2500-£3000 per year. People do pay for potential and that is the risk you take when buying any horse. Go to the Burghley Young Event horse final and the 4 yr olds there fetch upto £25 000 and they may never make it as an event horse.
 
Just to make something clear here. Im not complaining about the prices of 3 year olds. Im not accusing breeders of being gold diggers.

What i do find ironic is that very high prices are mentioned on this thread about an unbroken 3 year old who, tbh, doesnt look amazing over that fence. Yet when they're looking for competition horses with a year or so experience, there are a lot of complaints on these forums about the horses being over priced!

Just made me chuckle to myself
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Anyway, i'll go back to bed and stop stirring !
 
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