**how much would u pay for this??** Showjumper/warmblood

But HH, this horse is prob a conveyor belt continent bred horse (of course it may not be, and if it was bred over here then I apologise), so certainly does NOT warrant the costs that the standard small time breeder over here. Also, I think if you want proper money then you back it and THEN sell it, or you show it, have it graded, etc...many ways of improving your youngsters value.
 
Memo, you bought a mare that was well bred, therefore you had an investment from the outset
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However, I have to disagree with the costs you put on running a 2 yo, unless you are keeping at livery and therefore that cost should NOT be put on the horse - it is the reason why I will sell any foals I breed as foals, I cannot expect to put on, and get, a premium because I had the horse at livery for years!
 
HH Weezy echoes my comments from my post above which I suspects crosses with yours in that I am pricing this horse as an imported 'conveyor belt' horse not a british bred horse. It is far cheaper on the continent where sadly they are bred often only for the breeding lines and not ability.

I would actually prefer a british bred horse a lot of the time as I have far more chance of seeing the Dam and she will often have her own competition record/experience.

At the end of the day though I just don't like this horse
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That is what I'm trying to say, a well bred youngster will cost more. You get what you pay for and a truly potential top class horse would be a lot more. I don't agree with you saying that costs of keeping the youngster should not be taken into account. If breeders take the time to pick the best stallions for their mares, feed them correctly, have them regularly wormed and their feet trimmed to prevent future problems this doesn't come cheap. Even if I sold one of mine as a foal to break even it would have to be £4500 but they're quality and by proven stallions. i just think that breeders should be appreciated after all where would you be without them
 
Carthorse I have put the rape field back for you
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Memo I see what you are saying and I do agree, BUT I do not think livery costs should be taken into account...feeding, maintenance, sure, absolutely, but NOT livery.
 
And I will pay for a well bred nicely put together 3yo with good technique about £5k max which is my limit for a horse. I do agree some of the living costs should be included but those can add up to ridiculous amounts. Good breeders should be rewarded without question but that is the key good breeders and the breeders should be realistic.

A one foal a year breeder is going to have far higher 'overheads' than a stud that breeds 50 foals but would you be happy paying more to the one off breeder than the stud for the same theoretical youngster when you would actually probably get a better handled foal from the experienced stud where the foal would have had a more natural start to life within a herd environment? Knowing what horses cost per year (was mad and added it up!) and taking into account the different costs of raising a foal to 3yo on a stud serving its own stallions £5k should bring a reasonable profit presuming the horse had no complications

I am admittedly in a very opinionated mood tonight (which i won't apologise for
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) which I am blaming on my blasted cold but I do have strong feelings about breeding both of horses on the continent and more so those in the UK.

HH in my opinion you breed some beautifully stamped horses and if/when buying again I would seriously consider a youngster from you for eventing as I know your prices are reasonable to the quality of horse you are breeding, and if I had a mare he would compliment I would use Choc without question as I think he is a quality stallion with importantly an outstanding temperament. And hopefully with the upcoming string you have coming through about to start their careers your breeding efforts will gain more recognition.

But there are too many who will just breed any old mare and try and sell the foal on the sires lines. God I just look at one locally, TB mare which nothing special conformation wise and ok breeding but importantly too dangerous to ride was put to top local eventing stallion. Foal now a yearling rising 2 year old and being advertised at £5k. I nearly fell over with shock when I read the ad which raved about its potential ad breeding. The breeder also admitted before it was born that if a filly and also proved unrideable she would just stick the filly in foal as a 3yo!!! I understandably don't have high opinions of this person as a breeder and you couldn't pay me to take her yearling no matter who its sire was...

Ok i think I should leave this post now as got to sleep as need to try and drag myself into work tomorrow with this cold as everyone else is on holiday!
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thanks for everyone who put a realistic price on this horse- He's actually my horse who i've had for a couple of months now...

i no his faults with his jumping but at the end of the day he's very bold/honest and does watever he can to get out the way of the poles... thats what I want in a showjumper. although that doesnt appeal to everyone.

just wanted to see what people said... to the person who said a grand- i dno if ur some kind of happy hacker but i can find a lot of horses with a much worse jump than mine!!!

i no sum horses with the most random of breeding can do so well and some of the best bred be useless. but at the end of the day at 3 and a half grand (yes the asking price was very substancially higher) i thought i had nothing to lose. so to the people that said 6k right up to 20k thanks.

He's a nice willing, quiet ride. And obviously he needs to work more over his back as can bee seen by his jumps but it'll come more in time. im not goin to work a 3yrold to the max at the minute.

At the end of the day if worse comes the worse and he doesnt work out ill have to sell him on.. (although i'd probs keep him cos hes so cute) but im not going to lose cash by any means...

the vet said that he'd pay over the price we paid just for his general condition and health ( i no its the vet lol).....

but ive seen a lot lot worse for a lot more money that iwouldnt touch with a barge pole and at the end of the day I like him..

thansk everyone xxxx
 
I don't think any should expect to pay under £1.8k for a yearling as thats just about break even for the breeder. Breeding, looks, scope would all be on top of this as would age as you don't have to keep a 3 year old for 4 years until they can do anything.

I think if bought as a 3 year old £3.5k was a fair price.
 
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just wanted to see what people said... to the person who said a grand- i dno if ur some kind of happy hacker but i can find a lot of horses with a much worse jump than mine!!!

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Ok i haven't quite gone to bed, I'm not a happy hacker promise and do have a reasonable amount of showjumping experience/knowledge although admittedly nowhere near as much as some on this forum
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My answer of £1k was what I PERSONALLY would pay for him, as i said he is not my stamp of horse and if I was buying I wouldn't choose him. If I HAD to buy him it would be as a project horse and therefore I would make minimal financial outlay on him.

There is no doubt he can jump and I wish you all the luck, indeed a lot of the best showjumpers are often the unexpected ones in terms of technique and conformation.

There is a current international horse built slightly (without being rude) like a carthorse who is amazing. I used to compete against it a few years ago in new/Fox classes and it was clear it was a horse which had definite international potential which it is now fufilling in style. I also admit if I saw it as a foal I would almost certainly have passed it by (unless I saw it jump
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At the end of the day a horse will only sell for whatever someone is willing to pay and there is never going to be one horse which all riders will want (hey my friend hates Arko's stamp when I love him
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) , I think honestly you bought him for a good realistic price and it wouldn't have surprised me if he would/could have sold for more. Once again good luck with him and I do hope he lives up to his potential when under saddle.

Katie (who really is going to bed now!)
 
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I think some people have unrealistic ideas on price and expect to get a nice young well bred horse showing potential for peanuts.

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yep i agree. i brought one of my current horses for 13k just 4yrs old and jumped some dc BN. he is by Darco.
did i pay too much?? probably in most peoples eyes on here!!

however he has done everything i wanted from him jumping upto young riders and if could find another like him i would have it tomorrow!!

it shocks me how little people think they can can pay to pick up a nice horse!!
maybe its the yard i worked on. a bog standard cob would sell for 6k......
 
Nice youngster.
I'd go by the fact that the Zangersheide auction sold some seriously nice broken 3/4 year olds for 6kish. Many went way over that of course but it was possible to pick up something that looked a good prospect for that sort of money
 
Sorry, haven't read all of the replies, just the first page. If he was in his home country he would probably fetch between £3k and £5k. If he's 4 in 2008 people in Belgium would want to know why he's not broken, so maybe not the top end of that range I gave.
 
I think you got a bargain, good luck and enjoy him. Don't listen to some of the idiots who said £1000. Even if a horse isn't to everyone's taste you can still appreciate the quality of the horse. Everyone's taste is different and life would be boring if we all liked the same things.
 
Weezy, I paid 22k for a pink papered landgraff unbroken 4 year old. And I agree with the others somewhere between 10 - 15k depending on who's selling it.
 
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I think you got a bargain, good luck and enjoy him. Don't listen to some of the idiots who said £1000. Even if a horse isn't to everyone's taste you can still appreciate the quality of the horse. Everyone's taste is different and life would be boring if we all liked the same things.

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I must say I do resent being called an idiot as technically that is a personal attack and against T&Cs but don't worry I won't report you
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As said i'm saying I wouldn't personally pay any 'normal' amount for the horse as it isn't a stamp of horse I would go for, in the same way I wouldn't pay any more than real bargin basement for an arab, a QH, a shire etc etc etc as they are not the stamp of horse I want personally and although I appreciate the horse is worth more the question was "how much will YOU pay" not "how must do you think it is worth" those are two very different questions with very different answers as I'm sure you will appreciate.

Also I never said I was expecting a world beater for £5k or under just that I know I can get a very decent albeit probably with an issue of some form (hey I enjoy them they are more fun
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) youngster for that price. I have done so time and time again and have reached levels of competition with all that would put to shame the price tags of my fellow competitors horses. Yes I take chances with what I buy sometimes but only once has it not paid off and a £2k mistake is far easier to swallow than a £10k one!
 
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