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For a 2 1/2 yo black (white strip, 2 white socks) warmblood colt with Weltmeyer bloodlines. He stands about 14.1hh at the moment to make 16.1hh roughly, nice nature, leads, can be groomed, ties up, lives in or out with geldings at the moment.

How much?
 
14.1hh at 2 1/2yo to make 16.1hh
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And I was worried my 2 1/2 yo wasn't big enough and currently stands at 15.3hh !!

In answer to your original post and assuming he does break the 16hh barrier 3-4 K provided conformation/movement/temprement all good
 
I think you'll be luck if it makes over 16hh tbh. Our 9month old is already bigger than that and will be probably 16.2-17hh mark. (16.3hh mum 16.hh dad). Depending on the breeding and it's confirmation you may well be able to ask quite a bit - but I think it's age is against it.

People seem to pay a lot for weanlings and unbroken 3 year olds who are ready to start - but not much for a 2 year old that is going to be stuck in the field for another year or so.
 
14.1hh at 2, he will be lucky to see in 16hh IMO but warmbloods do take longer to mature. I think it's worked out that by 2 years old they have reached 95% of their adult height - I'll leave you to do the maths! I have a 2 1/2 year old who stands at about 15.1-2hh and I don't expect her to make over 16hh. When we bought her at 18months she was about 14.3hh.

Answer to your question, if he makes over 16hh then I'd say between 2.5k - 3.5k, if under 16hh then slightly less as it makes them harder to sell IMO.

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If he moves nicely and would pass a vetting, 6 to 10k depends how well he moves/is put together though

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Can you stop driving prices up please - that is a ridiculous amount!
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If he moves nicely and would pass a vetting, 6 to 10k depends how well he moves/is put together though

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Can you stop driving prices up please - that is a ridiculous amount!
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Agree with Weezy. We have no idea how it's bred. The mare could be average, as could the stallion. Having certain lines doesn't mean much unless until you see it the in flesh, and moving.

Totally unrealistic.
 
I did say depending on Conformation and movement guys!
Also do you know much about breeding, and how much it costs to breed and then keep a well bred horse till its that age?
I have a client base that would regularly pay that much for a foal let alone a 2 yr old.
A recent foal auction I went to in Holland- top price for a foal was 64K!

The resaon you get cheap horses is due to inability to perform at top level/conformation faults/ medical problems, e.g. bone chips etc. In a perfect world all horses would start at 2k and increase in value as they do more, buit Im afraid it doesn't work like that! People need to make a living or elso nobody would bother breeding!

sorry guys, but thats my opinion and I won't budge on it
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Think this is the only photo i have of him taken i think must have been end of last Summer

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not particularly great though!
 
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Also do you know much about breeding, and how much it costs to breed and then keep a well bred horse till its that age?

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Yep well aware of the costs involved - live and breath it every day. Sorry missed the bit about confrirmation and movement etc.

Maybe you could purchase it for 10K and then sell it on to your client
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To be fair on bbmat, there is some crazy prices being paid for the dressage youngsters atm (we had a 5 year working at novice imported for a client on our yard and they paid £64k for that)

It does, as he also says, depend much on the conformation, exact breeding and potential but IF its good then yes, I could see it fetching the amounts he mentioned.

There are a lot of BD trainers out there sourcing horses for their clients where some serious money is changing hands.
 
I think, if you have the facilities to produce a well bred and well put together youngster and prepare it as if for a grading, for example, then you could well attract higher prices. Reputation counts for a lot too.

In the real world these prices are not so achievable (the real world being the muddy yards most of us work out of)
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Breeding and build of the horse will not count for much if you can't show it properly for sale, you are relying on very discerning buyers to see potential..a bit like looking at a house, many people need to have it on a plate for them, perfect and ready to go.
 
After seeing the pic about £1500, looks ropey and as if its not doing well to me, however having seen the transformation with feeding and care e.t.c maybe it will come smart. Sorry if I've offended but I call a spade a spade.

Even as a yearling he looks like one of my foals!
 
Haha he looks fat, hairy and muddy at the moment! And i only see him in the dark lol! I'll have to take the camera down get some proper up to date pics of them all.
 
Am not sure exactly our sort of friend has his mother at the moment and she is a 16.3hh grey hannovarian. Would have to check his passport... can do it later if i remember!
 
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Haha he looks fat, hairy and muddy at the moment! And i only see him in the dark lol! I'll have to take the camera down get some proper up to date pics of them all.

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Is he yours? I didn't mean to offend if he is. Do you say he's a 2y.o this time?
 
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P.S Didn't mean to upset anyone!

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Oh no - you havn't done that - we all love a good debate. Especially when it comes to breeding and horse prices
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Yer I reckon he might go grey, we have a Grey weltmeyer stallion, his mum was by Hillhawk, a Grey TB. He's being broken in at the mo.
PS Sven my vet, one of the best in the country, said its much better for them to stay a bit light while they are growing, as it prevents problems like one leg growing too fast and needing a periostial strip etc. And he reckons they grow bigger! We cant keep ours light tho as our grass wont stop growing!!!
 
It's alright, he'll be 2 this spring and the pic above was taken end of last summer. Will try to take some more at the weekend as that one isn't much to go on really. He's not really mine, odd situation, him and his mum are both owned jointly by a friend and what used to be our instructor -A. However A has his mum at the moment and wants to buy him but i'm trying to convince my friend to keep him and A can have his mum and where his mum didn't take at the stud last year she has another chance obviously free this year so think that is a fair exchange?
 
id want to see a vid of him moving and a full conformational picture before really judging on his price...........

If hes got the movement for dressage then id say around £6k, but if he hasnt and is nothing special (thats not meant to be rude) then around £2-3k. Just because hes got weltmeyer LINES (not actually BY weltmeyer if im right) dosent mean hes worth a fortune......
 
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id want to see a vid of him moving and a full conformational picture before really judging on his price...........

If hes got the movement for dressage then id say around £6k, but if he hasnt and is nothing special (thats not meant to be rude) then around £2-3k. Just because hes got weltmeyer LINES (not actually BY weltmeyer if im right) dosent mean hes worth a fortune......

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Gees! 6k!
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