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Just out of interest as YO was talking about all the values of the horses up the yard the other day ok pickle

17.1hh cyclesdale x, currently 14 (soon 15)

He is a complete schoolmaster, will jump anything without a fuss and has taught lots of people to ride/jump, has hunted in past allthough I have never tried, Loves XC, fast but safe hack, no stable vices a pleasure to handle, he can be tacked up by a small child (with something to stand on) he can take weight as well, and in the school is definetly a novice ride! any ideas of how much he is worth?
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I think it is very easy to undervalue such a horse. Clearly he is a good all rounder and extremely safe. For this I would be prepared to pay £4.5
 
I'd say £2750 would be fair to ask for a good safe allrounder. He would be worth more, but price drops a lot after the age of 12, and as a 15yr old he would be hard to insure.
 
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I'd say £2750 would be fair to ask for a good safe allrounder. He would be worth more, but price drops a lot after the age of 12, and as a 15yr old he would be hard to insure.

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And he won't hack out alone. So for me becomes virtually worthless in terms of monetery value. But in terms of his other assetts is worth his weight in gold.
 
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I'd say £2750 would be fair to ask for a good safe allrounder. He would be worth more, but price drops a lot after the age of 12, and as a 15yr old he would be hard to insure.

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And he won't hack out alone. So for me becomes virtually worthless in terms of monetery value. But in terms of his other assetts is worth his weight in gold.

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well he may hack alone its just I dont have the confidence too since we had problems but that was mainly because a dog bit his leg, with past owner he was hacked on his own all the time as it was a very small yard

I agree he is worth weight in gold my star
 
What a saint, he has to be worth £3000-3750 that is taking in consideration of his age of coming 15. If he was a tad smaller say 15hh then perhaps a bit more (to me). 17+hh is very large. But really safe school masters are worth their weight in gold!! He looks a sweetie too..
 
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Priceless I love Pickle!

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thanks
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that first picture always gives me a giggle! particulary when you think she can canter him!
 
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that first picture always gives me a giggle! particulary when you think she can canter him!

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I know that just shows what a true star Pickle is! I dont know any horse that woudl be so good with a little one on him.
 
But you can. People go on and on about how much they'd pay for safety, but in reality, there is a limit to how much people are prepared to pay for an aging allrounder, no matter how safe.
 
I disagree, when I'd grown out of my pony he was 16 and I was pretty much offered a blank cheque for him by a few people because he was 100% safe and genuine and had performed very well for me. A 15 year old has at least 5 good years left in him and has a proven record. I don't see why people consider 12 and over to be old, a lot of horses are reaching their prime at this age and many of the top eventers and showjumpers (horses!) are in their teens. Horses of this age have proven themselves in whatever field their used, sj, dsg, pleasure horse. Maybe it's just over here but good riding club horses who may not be the scopiest jumpers and will reach their max at 1m but are safe and and reliable and will perform to the best of their ability are making huge money (about 10 k and I'm not joking!). This is where the market is and a lot of producers here are bringing on horses who are safe and reliable and are making a lot of money. Pleasure riders, esp adults who have only recently taken up riding, don't have time or expertise to bring on a young horse but do have the money and are prepared to pay very well for readymade, proven horses, most of who would be in their teens. If Pickle was for sale over here as a rc/pc horse or hunter I could probably get at least 5k (euro) for him. I think he seem a real genuine, kind horse, the type which are hard to find and when you do find them you don't let them go lightly.
 
I don't consider 12+ old but many people do, particularly if they are getting a horse that they'll sell on in a few years.

Some people will pay huge amounts for safe horses, but certainly not the majority. You can get safe good allrounders for under 3k that are younger, so not everyone will be willing to spend a grand or two more if not necessary, especially for an older horse.
 
Buying a horse over the age of 12 you are inheriting old problems - if the horse has raced, hunted, done a lot of jumping etc, you would maybe start seeing soundness issues, as well as other problems that show the older the horse gets. Statistically, the horse has not got as much left in him as a younger horse does, whilst somone may spend $x on a 7 year old, they would buy that horse thinking they had another 7 or 8 years of competiton left, you can't say the same for a horse that is 15. Vettings in older horses pick up far more problems, add in the fact that insurance companies won't cover an older horse fully, if they do it will be expensive, then you can see why a lot of people would rather spend the money on a younger horse. There are plenty of good younger horses out there, and it makes more sense to spend, say, 5k for a 7 year old than it does 3k for a 15 year old. I also wouldn't pay 10k for a horse whose limit was 1m if I was looking for a jumping RC horse.

With ponies, it is slightly different, as people purchase them knowing they will be outgrown in a few years, although I certainly wouldn't give someone a blank cheque for a 16 year old pony, no matter how good it was - and I've seen some pretty good ones over the years.
 
Lovely horse but I am biased lol as my lad is a clydesdale cross but Pickle seems a lot more laid back than mine. He has a few manner issues which can probably be sorted and he is very genuine and a gentle giant much like Pickle.
In terms of value I would say around the £2k to £3k mark I would have thought due to his past life, age and height.
The fact that he has hunted and jumped in the past and is 17hands and a heavyweight cross means that in the next couple of years he is quite likely to suffer joint problems and arthritis. I know my lad has shown a few signs of stiffness at times and he is now 16 and has been lightly ridden the past few years.
As far as insurance goes unless he is not insured ( which I would say is unlikely as most horses these days tend to be lol) if you insure with petplan when they are 15 they will give you full cover until the horse is 20( then it is the older horse plan) With most other insurers their cut off point is younger and the benefits and cover is greatly reduced.
My big lad is with petplan as they provide a good cover and the young un is with E and L. I like E and L as my dogs used to be insured with them and I found them ok to deal with.
However the big lad does cost more to insure than Mcfly and I would say the benefits are slightly better with E and L, so there is a valid point about insurance issues. You can insure older horses but to get the full benefits and not have an older horse policy forced on you expect to pay a bit more but in my case it only works out about a tenner per month extra so that is not too bad.
But yes he is lovely but I can understand some valid points about his health ( including future) and insurance issues even though he is a schoolmaster. If he had been around 11 or 12 and a schoolmaster then I would have said around the £5k to £6k mark approximately.
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Honestly you would not believe the prices of horses over here at the moment, I'm not sure why but they seem to have rocketed over the last few years, for all ages/types of horses and ponies. There seems to be alot more money in the country in general ( every second person has a holiday home overseas!) and it seems to have found it's way into the horse industry. There is ridiculous money being spent on horses especially in the leisure horse industry i.e riding club, pony club, amateur sj, happy hackers/hunters. people seem to have more money than sense and I've even heard people with the attitude that , well it can't be any good if it's only that price and will expect something more expensive to be better when it's probably not. Theres also people putting ridiculous prices being put on horses for sale and getting it! When I was looking for something a while back people laughed at my budget and said I wouldn't get anything decent for it, but I have and now I am being looked down on because of what I spent even though she is a very nice horse and I think if they wanted the people selling her could have got easily double for her, but a good home was more important!! I'm amazed when I come on here and see the prices of horses and how they compare over here. (nb I was talking in euros earlier but there is still a difference). At the moment people seem to want to show off their money and brag about how much their horse was and brand new jeep and trailer etc. and are spending a lot on livery which has also gone up alot in recent years, (average 150 euro/wk around dublin). Must add that this seems to be a particular trend of what I've noticed in the dublin/wicklow area and I don't know about the rest of country. Ok rant over and sorry if it got off the point of OP!!
 
cazee your estimates to make sense to be honest as I know what we paid for him 2 years ago. He is insured with pet plan allready. Insurance wise he is probably insured slightly above is value now. He has a home for life with us anyway, as soon as he starts becoming stiff and more fragile he will be put into light work, we have two horses anyway one who is 10 years old
 
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