How on earth are some people allowed to have horses?

[QUOTEIt's 2nd hand from the vet (who I'm good friends with).[/QUOTE]

Unprofessional of vet to be discussing this with anyone other than the horse's connections. That said, if this is true, the girl has learned a very bitter lesson.
 
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Why the witch hunt? The horse misbehaved, so she took it to the gallop track (hardly ragging it around a road or something) to work it hard - what on earth is wrong with that?

When she got back to the stable with tired horse, it transpired horse had injured itself - is that her fault? Horses do break down all the time sadly.

At no point in the OP does it say that the horse was ragged around for hours.

I once galloped a horse through thick mud for around 2 hours to teach her a lesson and stop her rearing and bolting home - it worked, so if this girl is cruel then so am I.
 
Surely it depends upon the circumstances - it is one thing getting back to the yard to find your horse slightly lame but quite another to bust its SL and keep pushing it on if it's obviously lame. Some people allow their temper to cloud their judgement somewhat!
 
That's so sad and so unnecessary.

Years ago a young girl (about 13 or 14) on the yard I was on got angry with her horse for some reason and galloped out of the yard on him, she came back just about 10 mins later and the horse was pouring with sweat and it was bleed profusely from it's mouth. The YO called her parents who came straight away.

The next day the horse was collected by a dealer and sold. Her parents did not buy her another horse thankfully.
 
Weezy said:
This isn't going to be popular...

Why the witch hunt? The horse misbehaved, so she took it to the gallop track (hardly ragging it around a road or something) to work it hard - what on earth is wrong with that?

When she got back to the stable with tired horse, it transpired horse had injured itself - is that her fault? Horses do break down all the time sadly.

At no point in the OP does it say that the horse was ragged around for hours.

I once galloped a horse through thick mud for around 2 hours to teach her a lesson and stop her rearing and bolting home - it worked, so if this girl is cruel then so am I.
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to be a good horse person you need patience. galloping a horse around to 'teach it a lesson' is just unnecessary. do you not know how much strain it puts on their tendons/muscles etc? its pure ignorance on your part if you think its okay to do this - whether it worked or not.
 
Weezy said:
This isn't going to be popular...

Why the witch hunt? The horse misbehaved, so she took it to the gallop track (hardly ragging it around a road or something) to work it hard - what on earth is wrong with that?

When she got back to the stable with tired horse, it transpired horse had injured itself - is that her fault? Horses do break down all the time sadly.

At no point in the OP does it say that the horse was ragged around for hours.

I once galloped a horse through thick mud for around 2 hours to teach her a lesson and stop her rearing and bolting home - it worked, so if this girl is cruel then so am I.
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Tbh, bit disappointed in this reply. Galloping around in "thick mud for around 2 hours" is inviting injury. Weezy if you think there was no problem with the OP's actions on the face of what was written then I am stunned into silence. A very sad story all round.
 
I rather agree with Weezy, so I am going to stand up in her defence.

I too, on occasion, will discipline a misbehaving horse by riding it forward for an extended period. Of course whenever a horse gets injured, it is very sad, but if I feel a horse needs to be worked hard to teach it a lesson then I would not hesitate just because because I thought it might get injured, without being reckless. If we took that view then we would never jump or hunt or do anything.
 
I agree with Weezy!

When Dorey was young, she was a bit of a nutcase, preferred to go at her speed than mine. So she was cantered in circles, both by myself and my instructer on various occasions, until she was knackered. And believe me, I was just as exhausted at the end of it.

But now I have a horse who stops on a dime. And I know it's a common training technique for wannabe bolters to push them on till they're knackered.

TBH, if she hadn't learnt her lesson, I'd prefer she broke her leg cos then I didn't have to feel bad about having a dangerous horse PTS, just an injured one. Dorey is too big to have bolting around the place. The kids she knocked out hunting can testify that, and she bolted a couple of times at a small show!

Sorry, but this whole thread stinks of hippy poo. So she punished it, galloped it, and it turned out it's leg was buggered. You all going to report the two jockeys at cheltenham who galloped their horses and killed them? Are you?

Didn't think so. Put up, or shut up.

And I have never been cruel to Dor ever (except all the hundreds of times I deprived her of vital sustinance in the form of treats).
 
Weezy said:
This isn't going to be popular...

Why the witch hunt? The horse misbehaved, so she took it to the gallop track (hardly ragging it around a road or something) to work it hard - what on earth is wrong with that?
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So many reasons. Misbehaviour is often the result of pain: why work a horse who could be in pain harder? Equine sciencey people say horses have no sense of logic, and if the time elapsed between behaviour and consequence is anything over a few seconds then forget it, the horse won't pair the two no matter how much it sweats.

Weezy said:
When she got back to the stable with tired horse, it transpired horse had injured itself - is that her fault? Horses do break down all the time sadly.

At no point in the OP does it say that the horse was ragged around for hours.
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That depends on your take on the situation: i'd argue that the rider was responsible for the injury to their horse.

It doesn't say the horse was ragged around for hours, however it wouldn't be outrageous to assume it was faster & longer than the horse was comfortable doing, otherwise the person involved wouldn't have done it.

Weezy said:
I once galloped a horse through thick mud for around 2 hours to teach her a lesson and stop her rearing and bolting home - it worked, so if this girl is cruel then so am I.
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Mmmm. To me that's just begging for an injury.
 
Naturally said:
So many reasons. Misbehaviour is often the result of pain: why work a horse who could be in pain harder? Equine sciencey people say horses have no sense of logic, and if the time elapsed between behaviour and consequence is anything over a few seconds then forget it, the horse won't pair the two no matter how much it sweats.



That depends on your take on the situation: i'd argue that the rider was responsible for the injury to their horse.

It doesn't say the horse was ragged around for hours, however it wouldn't be outrageous to assume it was faster & longer than the horse was comfortable doing, otherwise the person involved wouldn't have done it.



Mmmm. To me that's just begging for an injury.
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thank god for that! someone that actually knows their stuff & can explain it better than me!:p
 
QR:

Well the horse in question was absolutely 100% fine, lived a long life until she was hit by a car, never had a day's lameness in her life and through learning to behave dodged a bullet. I probably should have worded it better, this was in Spain, not the English thick, clay mud you have over here BTW. I won't defend myself though, the horse in question was very naughty, she almost killed me, but I ended up with a bloody good horse who eventually taught children to ride too, won countless 1.20m speed classes and was a very well rounded being.

And for the record I didn't like or enjoy doing it, I was following orders, but it damn well did work and that horse never bolted for home again or reared.

Ho hum, every time we ride our horses we are asking for a tendon injury, they were not designed to carry human beings after all. Some horses do a tendon walking from box to field, others from slipping in their box, and others break down spectacularly on sand gallops - it happens, it does not mean that the rider was at fault, and I stand by that the rider in question mentioned in the OP has done nothing wrong from what I have read. Had the OP written *she kept pushing the horse on when he was staggering* or *he was reluctant to go forwards anymore as she had been galloping him non stop for 20 mins* then I would have something to say, but all we know is that she took a naughty horse around some gallops and he came back lame - IT HAPPENS.

I won't canter my horses through stuff that most people find completely normal in this country, especially out hunting, nor will I canter on hard ground - however now people just think I am a thug - well so be it, rather that than a tree hugger who is scared of their horse :)
 
Weezy said:
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Well the horse in question was absolutely 100% fine, lived a long life until she was hit by a car, never had a day's lameness in her life and through learning to behave dodged a bullet. I probably should have worded it better, this was in Spain, not the English thick, clay mud you have over here BTW. I won't defend myself though, the horse in question was very naughty, she almost killed me, but I ended up with a bloody good horse who eventually taught children to ride too, won countless 1.20m speed classes and was a very well rounded being.

And for the record I didn't like or enjoy doing it, I was following orders, but it damn well did work and that horse never bolted for home again or reared.

Ho hum, every time we ride our horses we are asking for a tendon injury, they were not designed to carry human beings after all. Some horses do a tendon walking from box to field, others from slipping in their box, and others break down spectacularly on sand gallops - it happens, it does not mean that the rider was at fault, and I stand by that the rider in question mentioned in the OP has done nothing wrong from what I have read. Had the OP written *she kept pushing the horse on when he was staggering* or *he was reluctant to go forwards anymore as she had been galloping him non stop for 20 mins* then I would have something to say, but all we know is that she took a naughty horse around some gallops and he came back lame - IT HAPPENS.

I won't canter my horses through stuff that most people find completely normal in this country, especially out hunting, nor will I canter on hard ground - however now people just think I am a thug - well so be it, rather that than a tree hugger who is scared of their horse :)
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Well put Weezy. We weren't there and can't judge. I would be disgusted with my vet if he discussed my horse with others and even more disgusted if he believed the rider had been totally at fault and abusive to the horse and not said anything to the girl in question or the adults responsible for her and her horse.
 
Weezy said:
QR:

Well the horse in question was absolutely 100% fine, lived a long life until she was hit by a car, never had a day's lameness in her life and through learning to behave dodged a bullet. I probably should have worded it better, this was in Spain, not the English thick, clay mud you have over here BTW. I won't defend myself though, the horse in question was very naughty, she almost killed me, but I ended up with a bloody good horse who eventually taught children to ride too, won countless 1.20m speed classes and was a very well rounded being.

And for the record I didn't like or enjoy doing it, I was following orders, but it damn well did work and that horse never bolted for home again or reared.

Ho hum, every time we ride our horses we are asking for a tendon injury, they were not designed to carry human beings after all. Some horses do a tendon walking from box to field, others from slipping in their box, and others break down spectacularly on sand gallops - it happens, it does not mean that the rider was at fault, and I stand by that the rider in question mentioned in the OP has done nothing wrong from what I have read. Had the OP written *she kept pushing the horse on when he was staggering* or *he was reluctant to go forwards anymore as she had been galloping him non stop for 20 mins* then I would have something to say, but all we know is that she took a naughty horse around some gallops and he came back lame - IT HAPPENS.

I won't canter my horses through stuff that most people find completely normal in this country, especially out hunting, nor will I canter on hard ground - however now people just think I am a thug - well so be it, rather that than a tree hugger who is scared of their horse :)
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Well said Weezy.
I have also been on board when a horse needed to learn a lesson.
TB ex show horse,previous owner had been scared of him and he had learned to throw his 17hh bulk around to stunning effect.
He wouldnt stop when asked and was dangerous because of it-so we instead of hauling at his mouth we pushed him on when he wanted to stop. Diddnt take long for him to get the message ;) and given time he became a lovely responsive ride alone and in company.



Time and memory distort fact,it happens to all of us.The information in OP does dont come from anything seen,but told by someone who also was not there.
I am not implying any intention to mislead or lie,but as a story travels the grapevine it will distort.
 
I have to say that I too have used this method to great effect, I also use it on the lunge if something is a little 'forward' :o it was the 'through thick mud' I was questioning - however, Weezy has explained that it was not the clay ridden stuff that I automatically thought of when the word mud was mentioned.
 
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