Dobiegirl
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In the third world women give birth while working in the field, I dont suppose if you had children you would choose to have them this way.
How to care for a litter of puppies?
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In the third world women give birth while working in the field, I dont suppose if you had children you would choose to have them this way.
Spring Feather
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Meh wouldn't bother me to be honest.
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Not slacking multitasking
not quite sure how much the domestic dog is programmed by thousands of years of natural selection anymore... and I thought Amymay had a bichon??
Patterdale
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Oh dear, my poor little doggies seem to have moved from a puppy farm to the third world.......I dread to think where they'll be when I look at this tomorrow...!
Vizslak
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Yes but they will loose a few to nature before they hit maturity and moreover they won't be off to live in a house when they hit 8 weeks
As for the rest of this thread *whistles nonchalantly and walks away whilst pretending not to have seen*
Vizslak
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Dead? Would you even notice?
Spring Feather
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More than likely. The bitch usually brings out 4 to 6 pups in the spring, so not too bad a result and they have the older pups (yearlings) who help raise the puppies. Coyotes are pretty resilient creatures and appear to have very high success rates around here.
No, they get taken off away from the hole in my woods and learn to live outside in the wilds.
Spring Feather
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That is sooo out of order.
Teaselmeg
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Coyotes are wild animals who live outdoors and are not going to be pets !! Early socialisation is key, particularly for dogs that are going to be pets.
http://www.thepuppyplan.com/?page_id=27
Vizslak
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It's all a little irrelevant, they are wild friggin coyotes not domestic dogs.
Not sure how that remark was that out of order. Merely an observation that it would unlikely go unnoticed until morning. I would think they are particularly vulnerable right now, at 3 weeks old and no bitch even in with them. Even my most unmaternal bitches have still slept happily with the pups at 3 weeks, and that's indoors where they are unlikely to come to much harm anyway
Not sure how that remark was that out of order. Merely an observation that it would unlikely go unnoticed until morning. I would think they are particularly vulnerable right now, at 3 weeks old and no bitch even in with them. Even my most unmaternal bitches have still slept happily with the pups at 3 weeks, and that's indoors where they are unlikely to come to much harm anyway
Patterdale
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Well thank goodness I abandoned my original 'hole in the woods' idea then.....:rolleyes3:
What a disgusting comment.
Why I'm even bothering to justify myself to a few rude strangers on the Internet I DON'T know.....
My puppies are all healthy, happy, warm, well cared for, loved and well socialised. The people who have already reserved pups are more than happy with their condition, temperaments and living arrangements.
And anyone who has a problem with the probably needs to get out more.
I've tried to stay polite, but don't think I will manage it much longer, so will bow out now. But this thread has opened my eyes to some of the truly nasty and spitefully minded posters on this forum.
And also some of the nicer ones.
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Patterdale
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They're almost 6 weeks old, learn to read.
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Spring Feather
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Not irrelevant imo. They are dogs, albeit wild, who give birth in a hole. Not a kennel, not indoors and not in a horse trailer.
You know your comment was out of order hence your back peddling now.
Vizslak
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No I geniunely don't think it was out of order. Though as above at 6 weeks it's less concerning than 3, not sure where I got that from so probably as irrelevant as your coyote post.
Ets unlikely to go unnoticed made no sense I meant likely to go unnoticed!
Ets unlikely to go unnoticed made no sense I meant likely to go unnoticed!
Dobiegirl
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I think this thread should be entitled Coming to a rescue near you, Patterdales reared outside,unsocialised being sold as pets is a recipe for disaster.
Vizslak
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Also your comment about the coyotes is even more irrelevant as I just took the time to read the thread in which they were being born...had they had no human intervention....experienced or otherwise....patterdale probably would have lost thé bitch and thé entire litter. So yes, the bitch is a domestic dog and thé puppies are going to be domestic dogs.
Patterdale
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All pups going with the agreement that they can come back to me at any time if owners circumstances change.
But again, why justify myself??
And terriers, reared outside!? :eek3: What a thought!!
And I can probably think of a few more choice titles for this thread...'HHO at its finest' perhaps being the most polite.......
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Dobiegirl
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No problems with Terriers being bred outside its the circumstances, youve winged it basically, all very last minute, asking for advice when bitch is whelping, I also live on a farm and even the farm Collies in the past were whelped and reared in the house.
Moomin1
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Wow, that's a bit harsh.
AmyMay
Situation normal
which part?
Moomin1
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Vizslak
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I've also bred litters outside, and don't have an issue with dogs being reared outside....if they are working dogs for working homes. I agree with dgs other comments, you have winged it all a bit patterdale. You can't say you havnt. At 6 weeks is it not a little late to be saying, 'oh I didn't know that, how are you meant to rear pups?' Even litters I have raised outside in the past have been incredibly hard work and time consuming.
Patterdale
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I've never ever heard of collies whelped (or even living) in a house.
And yes, I did post on here when she was whelping. As you'll know, being such an expert, there's a lot of waiting around and I wanted to share it with someone.
I was also, if you'll read, on the phone to the vet the whole time (who was too far away to attend).
Having delivered literally hundreds, if not thousands of animals I am very comfortable with the birth process. However, I don't have as much experience with dogs.
So I had lots of help and advice running up to, throughout the birth, and beyond.
You may think that is 'winging it,' but I think you are being needlessly spiteful.
So there we are.
Patterdale
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That's not what I'm saying though, is it?
I was saying, this is how ive done it, and asking how others do it.
As with anything with animals, there can be many 'right' ways and hearing about them is one of the interesting aspects of this forum.
Ill think twice another time though...!
Vizslak
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With all due respect. I don't know anyone who has managed to pull a tail off a puppy during whelping! However I commend that you were at least in attendance with a vet on the phone. As i stated before had you let nature take it's course you likely would have had a disaster on your hands. It makes me wonder though, how, if you are the type that doesn't believe in just letting the bitch get on with it DURING whelping why you took that stance more once they had arrived? Anyway that's just a random musing and of little consequence.
Vizslak
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I've also never heard of anyone adlib feeding a litter, that's possibley shocked me the most bizarrely. So I do wonder where your expert advice or research on weaning etc came from!
Vizslak
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Regardless, it's all a bit late, they are here, they are 6 weeks, you have done it in whatever way you have done it, they have pet homes etc etc, nothing will change any of that now, unless you change your mind and sell them all to the local terriermen! If you want puppy guide templates for your new owners pm me and I will send you. I would suggest if you intend to contract the pups which again, admirable, you send comprehensive guides out on how to train correctly and settle into the house environment, I'm not sure how useful my guides will be, in terms of the fact my puppies are raised very differently but it will certainly give you a rough mark of points to include so you can tweek accordingly
Dobiegirl
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Vizslak
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Off topic but I know loads of farm collies that live in houses. In that they come into a utility room or the kitchen to sleep by the aga in the evenings
Dobiegirl
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Maybe its a Mendip thing, where they lead others may follow lol.