How to control serious temper tantrums - horse not me

If you want to answer my questions - it may prompt others to suggest ways in which you can be helped.

If not, then that's fine. Others will eventually ask them - I've just asked them a bit earlier.......
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QR: As long as your comftable having to sort your horses problems out then I would say dont give up, you will never gain more experance if you just give up at the first hurdle, not saying this is what your thinking as its quite clear you want to sort your horse out and if more people were like you there would be less problem horses getting passed from pillar to post. As for getting rid of horses that cause you problems my last 2 horses were problem horses and could be dam right dangerous at times, through help and advice These 2 horses turned out to be the best horses out of any I ever had.
 
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I have a beautiful, talented, wonderful horse - that I would like to sell. Why? Because he ideally needs someone a little more experienced than me. Doesn't mean I don't adore him. I simply don't have the experience necessary to make our partnership work as it should do.


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You come across as very knowledgeable and experienced. Sorry but passing yourself off as a bit novicey to understate a horses issues is pretty low IMO. (I know this is harsh, but so was your comment to the OP)
 
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I have a beautiful, talented, wonderful horse - that I would like to sell. Why? Because he ideally needs someone a little more experienced than me. Doesn't mean I don't adore him. I simply don't have the experience necessary to make our partnership work as it should do.


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You come across as very knowledgeable and experienced. Sorry but passing yourself off as a bit novicey to understate a horses issues is pretty low IMO. (I know this is harsh, but so was your comment to the OP)

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Eh???? I am being 100% honest here. My comment has been taken absolutely out of context.

What I was trying to say was - that it really is ok to sell a horse when a partnership is not working - I was not trying to undermine - I was trying to empathise. And if I am as experienced and knowledgeable as you think - then kudos to me for saying 'I'm not able to deal with this, someone more experienced than I can'.

Good grief.
 
Thankyou, I have been told you are never really a rider until you tackle difficult horses and that they really teach you about how to ride and handle them broadening both your knowledge and experience. Congrats on turning your two around its always nice to hear of people that persevere and are rewarded.
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I didn't think your comments warranted the reaction they have received apart from the OP who may be understandably sensitive to any replies, I do think people judge a little bit too quickly sometimes on this forum.......ducks down ready to be shouted at.....
 
I did not say that by not using NH methods or traditional methods you would (as an alternative) beat your horse. You misunderstood me entirely. I was merely pointing out that some people believe that in order to get the upper hand they need to beat a horse up - this tends to be the older generation. For example, my grandad was in the mounted police during the second world war. His mount had a terrible habit of pushing him against the bridge wall everytime he went underneath it. My Grandad 'showed the horse who was boss' and beat the daylights out of it with his whip. It never did it again. In those days that was an acceptable way to deal with a 'naughty' animal. Nowadays it would not be accepted. My Grandad can not be condemned for doing something that was considered perfectly normal in those days although these days more through ignorance than a lack of understanding there are still people would resort to using their fist instead of the head as they would know no different. I smack my horse when he is bad, but I would never lay into him with a whip, but 50 years ago I would not have known any better and possibly could have.
 
what sort of professionals have you sent him to (not names, just how experienced they are etc)?what have they tried?

are there any specific triggers for the behaviour?

i would defo wear a hat,gloves and even a body protector.
rearing and striking out is so dangerous and someone could be killed by this horse.if not you then someone else.just because he hasnt caught you yet, doesnt mean he wont.he is a big dangerous animal.what if a child wandered into the field with him and annoyed him?

do all his physical checks-back, tack,teeth, possibly gastric ulcers and any lameness etc.

if they are fine and he is getting plenty of turnout and routine, company and non heating food (oil is very good for weight without more fizziness), a very strong stance is called for.

what is he like with other horses?i would want him out with alfa horses so he gets the idea he is bottom of the pile.you have to be alfa person.

mr blue pipe or a big stick, lunge line and leading in a bridle or even chiffney would be my port of call to ensure YOUR safety.
im afraid i would rather have to give him one good hiding than have my head smashed in or someone elses.what about if you were ill-someone else would have to look after him.

try to catch him before his misbehaves and distract him.

if he does go up, treat him as if he is a spoilt brat and i would be quite harsh on him.
if he doesnt stop striking out at people to get his own way, he has no future even as a companion/pet if he carries on.

hitting a horse isnt nice but he is so dangerous i think its called for here.then lunge him until he is tired/calm and just carry on as if nothing has happened.
and be VERY consistant-always have a very strict line-if he crosses it react immediately so he KNOWS where he stands.you will have to keep this in place for life.

it will probably get pretty ugly to start with as he will certainly react even more strongly the first number of times you assert your authority.

you need to be prepared to see if through to the end point you wanted to achieve and dont forget to reward him for being good with a scritch.

if you dont think you can see him through rearing up at you, laying down, possibly going over backwards etc and still stand your ground, have your wits about you and be calm, i would pass him onto a professional who specialises in re-breaking problem horses and be prepared to have him stay there long term until he learns how to act around people.

otherwise i would have him pts.

sorry if this is harsh but this horse isnt playing-striking out is a serious vice
just my opinion.
 
Long rein him, when he rears send him on and on, or pull him over backwards. Only when he is perfectly behaved and going forward on the long lines attempt to ride him.
 
How about leaving the riding for now before you get really hurt and work on ground work?! At least then if things go really wrong you just let go! Personally I'd want to be able to do anything without these type of reactions on the ground before even thinking about getting on board!
 
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Oh p.s many people will turn their noses up when I say this
( I used to think it was ridiculous!) Please try some parelli!

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I made that same comment once and practiucally every1 jumped on me & told me to wise up! I know where you are coming from, I think u should try everything inc parelli b4 making any final decisions...x
 
Absolutely! Can't knock it...! There is plenty of stuff that parelli teaches which I totally ignore but there is also so much stuff I use regularly and find not just helpful but amazing! There's nothing wrong with mixing a bit of parelli in with traditional techniques, you don;t have to dedicate yourself to it, I certianly don;t!
 
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