How to decide what classes for your Cob

[Springy]

Hmmm hope this isnt a stupid question but im going to it anway

How do I decide wether cob is kept traditional or hogged off and what classes she can do....

She will be a riding horse and hunt in the winter... will hogging/leaving her rule her out of working or ridden hunter classes or will the fact she is a cob do that anyway???

Im stuck on whats best for her, we have always had sports type coloured horses who have been pulled and plaited etc

Please help

Ive attached some pictures... hopefully ..... so you can get a better idea of her, she is only 3 so hasnt started yet, hopefully will be starting to be a 'real horse ' lol in the summer as she has been left to be a baby for now...

She is about 15.2hh now at 3.......

Thanks

(pictures wont go on i need to clearly work on this haha!!)

 

[Springy]

I think this is the link to her pictures

http://s1285.beta.photobucket.com/user/Springy2012/library/

The cleaner ones are from the summer when she is younger and the muddier ones are from today....

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

A cob is not a hunter. A hunter is a hunter. It's got nothing to do with if they actually hunt, for showing it's all to do with type. A cob isn't a riding horse either, or a hack.

It's a cob so try a cob class. Except that at 15.2hh its over height, should be 15hh max. There are sometimes maxi classes though, for over height horses. I guess its up to you whether you want to show the horse hogged and clipped or not. Perhaps see what classes are held local to you first?

Cobs can also enter coloured classes (if they are coloured, that is!) and whether they should be natural or trimmed in this circumstance depends in the whim of the particular show judge, so its best to check each time.

A Welsh Cob is a breed and can be shown in Mountain & Moreland classes (left natural) but will probably not be the right type to show in a cob class, despite being a cob.

Hope this helps (and hasn't just confused you more ).

 

[Springy]

So she doest fit into the hunter classes?
Is she show cob or maxi cob size or tradtional or or or or

And then how do u decide wether to take it off or leave it on????

and yes would like her to do coloured classes but again not sure which ones???

As you can guess not been into this showing lark before Just the working hunter and ridden hunter with our coloured sports horse but then we didnt do any coloured classes with him

 

[mandwhy]

I think you would go for traditional cob and/or potentially maxi cob depending on the class height specification.

Coloured it depends what classes are available really...

 

[Springy]

so she doesnt fit the hunter type even though she will hunt?

and she can show in any coloured class even if hogged or does she need to be left hairy

I presume she isnt native but is tradtitonal?



Thanks everyone im useless haha

 

[WelshD]

Google for some pics of show line ups of the classes you are interested in

My personal view is that she may not be hairy enough to be a traditional

Coloured classes yes and sometimes these are in hand too

Maxi cob possibly if trimmed up but there is a risk she may not be show cob material and you wouldn't want to go trimming her up without being sure!

Have that google and if you are still unsure try the Horse Gossip forum which is show orientated

 

[Springy]

have googled still lost some saying she is traditional and some saying maxim cob hence my confusion :/

 

[showpony]

Personally I wouldn't think she would fit into hunter classes - I would think maxi cob classes would be your best bet... also coloured classes seem to be dominated by much lighter weights these days. Perhaps see is there a specific cob forum who will most likely be much more help

So she doest fit into the hunter classes?
Is she show cob or maxi cob size or tradtional or or or or

And then how do u decide wether to take it off or leave it on????

and yes would like her to do coloured classes but again not sure which ones???

As you can guess not been into this showing lark before Just the working hunter and ridden hunter with our coloured sports horse but then we didnt do any coloured classes with him

 

[showpony]

Dont know if this is any help but my coloured mare will be doing both hunter & coloured classes next year...

Here she is ...

 

[POLLDARK]

I'm pretty sure the height limit for Cob classes is 15.1hh if that's a help, above that is Maxi Cob. I'm not sure that a coloured will do well in a Hunter class where the solid colours are the norm, as has been suggested have a look at photos of each sort of class to get an idea.

 

[Springy]

ok whats a good coloured or cob forum to ask on

 

[Kat]

She is too big for cob classes. You can do coloured classes but should be turned out to type, so you have to decide what to do with her in terms of trimming/plaiting/hogging.

In my opinion she is too cobby to be a hunter and is more likely to be a maxi cob. But this could change as she matures.

I don't think there is any point presenting her as a traditional.

You might do ok as a working hunter given that the jumping counts for more than the looks.

If she was mine I'd look at the show schedules for shows I'm likely to want to do and see whether they have maxi cob classes. If so I would hog and go for it, if not I would plait and do hunters and see what feedback I got. either way I'd do coloured and workers in the same turn out and see how you get on.

 

[Springy]

so is she not traditional......

 

[cornbrodolly]

Try the BSPA website for all the different types of coloured horses.
I would say yours comes under 'Vanner' type - but for shows without that category [ the vast majority!] show in open coloured class , as a trad ie keep feather , mane and tail.
Maxicobs are scaled up show cobs , and yours is more on the driving type - straighter shoulder ,heavier legs.
Coloured classes are in every level of showing , so you ll find plenty of classes[ unlike when we started in the mid 80s]

 

[Theocat]

Why do you want to show? Does it have to be a "type" class, or could you do something like Riding Club Horse where it's the ability, schooling and temperament that count rather than the shape of the horse?

I don't see why you couldn't have a crack at local working hunter, as a lot of the marks are for ability / style / paces rather than conformation. It depends what you want to get out of it.

 

[Vanner]

She is definitely not a traditional, she is too big, too long in the back and not enough hair. I have an Irish Romany bred Gypsy Vanner Cob, he has 10" of bone, feathers like a shire and mane right down his shoulder and a huge big thick tail. He is 15hh but very short coupled and when he stands next to another coloured at our yard - who looks very like your mare - it is like a body builder standing next to a model!!!

I think you should definitely do coloured classes with her - although personally I wouldn't hog her as she would look good plaited, plus she will have her own natural "fly swotter" for the summer. And I don't see why you can't have a go at a hack class, she is fine enough to get away with it.

Whatever you do you just enjoy it, she is a lovely looking horse so stand tall and be proud of her whatever you do!!

 

[Springy]

thanks..... so what is she.... lol
just a big cob?

 

[Theocat]

And I don't see why you can't have a go at a hack class, she is fine enough to get away with it.

She's definitely not suited to a hack class, though...

 

[Springy]

our other horse was easy as he is a fine coloured non traditional and fitted in alot of classes but she seems to be not a clear 'type'

 

[Vanner]

Of course she could be shown as a hack! The term "hack" is used for a horse that can give a comfortable ride all day! I have a friend who breeds "hacks", and believe me it is a very generic term ...

 

[Vanner]

Try the BSPA website for all the different types of coloured horses.
I would say yours comes under 'Vanner' type - but for shows without that category [ the vast majority!] show in open coloured class , as a trad ie keep feather , mane and tail.
Maxicobs are scaled up show cobs , and yours is more on the driving type - straighter shoulder ,heavier legs.
Coloured classes are in every level of showing , so you ll find plenty of classes[ unlike when we started in the mid 80s]

The only thing that makes her like a vanner is the fact she is coloured ...

 

[3bh]

Of course she could be shown as a hack! The term "hack" is used for a horse that can give a comfortable ride all day! I have a friend who breeds "hacks", and believe me it is a very generic term ...

Sorry Vanner, I think you are totally confused on this point. In the show ring, a hack is a specific type, referring to the old "park hacks" that gentlemen rode around Rotten Row in days gone by. Under 160cm, usually predominately TB or PBA bred. Very refined, supermodels of the horse world

ETA HOYS Hack championship pictures: http://www.esphotography.co.uk/even.../2012/day/63/category/0207IAThursHackChamps1/

 

[ester]

yes, this is a hack

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OP I dont think yours has sufficient hair to be a 'traditional'
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those show as 'native coloureds' that I have seen tend to have lighter bone and prettier heads than the above, and looking like welsh crosses.
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I would think yours would be best as a maxi cob and easier to prep for hunting hogged anyway

 

[Theocat]

As I understand it, for showing purposes a "hack" is a type in just the same way as a "hunter" is a type - not just a horse that can hack or hunt!

http://www.theshowring.co.uk/hacks.php

There are, of course, things like "happy hacker" classes where the horse is judged on its ability to be a good horse for hacking, but that's not the same as a show hack class.

 

[Vanner]

Sorry Vanner, I think you are totally confused on this point. In the show ring, a hack is a specific type, referring to the old "park hacks" that gentlemen rode around Rotten Row in days gone by. Under 160cm, usually predominately TB or PBA bred. Very refined, supermodels of the horse world.

No I am not confused, there are heights in hack classes 15hh for small hacks and up to 15.3hh for large hacks. They must have grace and elegance, but as the term "hack" intimates they should be very confortable to ride as this type comes from the days when horses were the gentleman's "car" so to speak.

TB blood is certainly the higher % of their blood lines, but my friend (who's hacks have qualified for HOYS) has also used a good old fashioned hunter mare to give her hacks the bone (about 8") that ehy should have, coupled with the temperament that is expected for this "type".

 

[3bh]

No I am not confused, there are heights in hack classes 15hh for small hacks and up to 15.3hh for large hacks. They must have grace and elegance, but as the term "hack" intimates they should be very confortable to ride as this type comes from the days when horses were the gentleman's "car" so to speak.

TB blood is certainly the higher % of their blood lines, but my friend (who's hacks have qualified for HOYS) has also used a good old fashioned hunter mare to give her hacks the bone (about 8") that ehy should have, coupled with the temperament that is expected for this "type".

Yes, very true. But no coloured hairy type is ever going to fit in this class -as you suggested a few posts ago!

 

[Gleeful Imp]

Oh dear, things have got very confused!

A lot depends on whether you are talking affiliated showing or not. Assuming you are looking at local riding club type shows:

Most RC cob classes do not specify a height, and are open to both cobs and maxi cobs.

In addition, cobs can, and indeed do, compete at working hunter classes at local level. I have a rather large maxi cob who has been very successful at local workers classes. The bay in my signature.

Trailblazer shows have a working cob class, which is good fun. However, that does not mean you cannot enter the other classes and be successful. We were!

Whilst you can have fun at workers with your lovely horse, he isn't a hunter from a flat show class perspective, he is a cob - they are different types, with different requirements. The uk showing website sets all the standards out.

I agree yours isn't a traditional, not enough feather, unless you've been trimming it off? But definely not a hack (from the definition of a hack for show classes).

Hope that helps, lovely horse

GI

 

[Springy]

Glad to see its not just me who cant decide

Still

Its the coloured classes Im confused on as she isnt traditional as she isnt hairy enough??? but then isnt non traditional as she isnt fine enough???

She is too big for cob so is she big enough for maxi cob??

Im trying to decide should she be hogged and shown that way or should she be left hairy and shown that way......

I should have bought a more specific breed haha!!!!

 

[ester]

a large hack of the year 2011

the OPs horse

really



maxi cob non traditional (ie hogged) surely?