How to give homeopathic treatment to horse?

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I gave been advised to get berberis for my mare, I have found so ewhere that stocks it, but don't know what form to get it in I.e. Tablets. Pills granules etc....and how much to give?
Anyone have any idea?
Thx IA
 
I have used the teeny tablets :) I just pop them in a piece of carrot or apple.

With regards to how many, it depends on the potency tbh, I expect google may well be your friend for dosage :)
 
Do you mean homeopathic, or herbal? Herbal medicine is derived from plants. Some of it (although not all, since proper testing is not required) is effective.

Homeopathy involves some rubbish about water with memory, and is utter b*llocks.
 
I've actually know Homeopathy work amazingly on one horse at a yard I used to work at. It was a case where conventional medication had failed aswell so although I've not personally tried it I'd not say no or that its utter boll*cks!

We were told never to touch the pills as this effects them in some way so we used to core a bit of carrot and pour the correct amount of pills into the lid of their own pot then hid them into the hole and replace the carrot lid! Worked a treat.
As for the dose you'd have to get the advise of someone who is far more knowledgeable, however I'm pretty sure you cant overdose or cause adverse effect.
 
Mmmm, not quite what I understood, more like minute quantities given to a sick person/animal that if given to a well person would create the symptoms of the "sick" person. If you see what I mean. I have friends who swear by it and each to their own. Personally I agree with pennyturner but wouldn't have put it quite like that!!!
pennyturner said:
Homeopathy involves some rubbish about water with memory, and is utter b*llocks.
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What is actually wrong with the horse. There may be something he can have instead that will actually help.
 
I have to be honest, I was unsure of the effects go homeopathy, until I had eldest boy treated. He had warts on his hand, his hand was covered in them. We saw a homeopath, she prescribed a treatment, the warts disappeared within 2 weeks!
I find it hard to believe that something that doesn't work has been around for such a long time!
 
Homeopathic medicines have been tested and succeed slightly better than placebos. But, if placebos work,and they do, what on earth is wrong with that? no side effects, not costly, fine if combined with other drugs.. ... and will do no harm.
 
Homeopathic "remedies" are the result of diluting an "active" ingredient so much that there is literally not a single molecule of the substance actually left. 5 minutes on Wikipedia is all you need to understand the utter absurdity of the whole concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

A lot of very ridiculous ideas stand the test of time largely because of a really annoying thing called "confirmation bias", which is where people selectively recall evidence that supports what they want to believe rather than the things that do not support their point of view. The only way to get around this is to look to actual statistical, scientific evidence rather than personal experience. Homeopathy does not work.

Also note that the placebo effect does work in non-humans because of how the human treats or perceives the other animal. As such, something that has a placebo effect can actually be very harmful when it comes to treating another species - the placebo is working on you, not the horse. Meaning that you may think there's improvement when there isn't.
 
oldie48 said:
Mmmm, not quite what I understood, more like minute quantities given to a sick person/animal that if given to a well person would create the symptoms of the "sick" person. If you see what I mean. I have friends who swear by it and each to their own. Personally I agree with pennyturner but wouldn't have put it quite like that!!!
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Homeopathy involves diluting so many times that there maybe 1-2 molecules present, but possibly none. Each time it is diluted, it has to be slapped three times with a horsehair paddle (no I am not making this up). It defies the laws of physics.
 
Without getting into the homeopathy debate (I don't believe it). At a work placement we used liquid homeopathic 'stuff' in their water bucket, providing a 'clean' bucket too.
 
Pretty sure the op asked a question about dosage, not everyones opinion on how shes treating her horse, but hey where would the horse world be without loads of folks sticking their oar in to tell you youre doing things wrong and you should do it another way or mocking you ... right.
Op you might try googling homeopathic vets, that might give you someones number who can advise you
 
siennamiller said:
I gave been advised to get berberis for my mare, I have found so ewhere that stocks it, but don't know what form to get it in I.e. Tablets. Pills granules etc....and how much to give?
Anyone have any idea?
Thx IA
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I'm not familiar with Berberis or it's uses but as suggested by another poster I think I'd be inclined to take advice from a homeopathic vet unless you have been recommended it by a professional, as with homeopathy it's not just a case of matching the symptoms to a remedy, but taking into account other factors. There are a couple of websites I've found useful for checking doseage - horsehealth.co.uk and equi-therapy.net. I recently bought a remedy from Hilton Herbs as they do them at horse-strength.

I give the small tablets and I feed by hand, which isn't ideal as you shouldn't really touch them. But they shouldn't be given with food (they should not be given within 30 mins of food, especially anything strong-tasting) and as they are so tiny I don't think the horse would even see one in a feed bucket if I tried to not touch it! So I literally tip it from the bottle to the palm of my (clean, dry) hand and the horse takes it from there. Some remedies come in liquid form too.

The people at Hilton Herbs were very helpful (I did an online chat) so maybe give them a try if you have questions?
 
Marydoll said:
Pretty sure the op asked a question about dosage, not everyones opinion on how shes treating her horse, but hey where would the horse world be without loads of folks sticking their oar in to tell you youre doing things wrong and you should do it another way or mocking you ... right.
Op you might try googling homeopathic vets, that might give you someones number who can advise you
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Precisely. I used it on my horse and myself and saw great results - my horse was on other drugs which made use of even bute impossible for risk of either clashing or the main one being blocked which could have had fatal consequences.
 
fatpiggy said:
Precisely. I used it on my horse and myself and saw great results - my horse was on other drugs which made use of even bute impossible for risk of either clashing or the main one being blocked which could have had fatal consequences.
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Sorry, damn computer is messing about and now won't allow me to edit. I should add that I always used tablets at 30c dose, two tablets at least 3 times a day simply added to food. You can't feed garlic or mint in conjunction with homeopathy.
 
siennamiller said:
I have to be honest, I was unsure of the effects go homeopathy, until I had eldest boy treated. He had warts on his hand, his hand was covered in them. We saw a homeopath, she prescribed a treatment, the warts disappeared within 2 weeks!
I find it hard to believe that something that doesn't work has been around for such a long time!
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It is a placebo, warts come and go all the time.

It's been around just over 200 years, not that long really...
 
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Why so much negativity to Homeopathy? The homeopath I have consulted in the past is a fully qualified nurse, and the NHS have homeopathic hospitals and GPs. There are plenty of credible people working in the homeopathic industry. I don't understand why this thread has been taken totally off topic from OPs original question by people who want to belittle her choice to investigate alternative therapies.
 
Caramac71 said:
Why so much negativity to Homeopathy? The homeopath I have consulted in the past is a fully qualified nurse, and the NHS have homeopathic hospitals and GPs. There are plenty of credible people working in the homeopathic industry. I don't understand why this thread has been taken totally off topic from OPs original question by people who want to belittle her choice to investigate alternative therapies.
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I have answered the OP's original question. The NHS really should not be funding it, I feel a certain royal is to blame for this. However if you wish to use it for yourself, I feel that is your right but I shouldn't be paying for it.

There are indeed homeopathic GP's and nurses but they also know that there is no scientific basis for it and the placebo effect is a significant part of the usefulness of many treatments.



Ignorance is no excuse
 
Negativity?

Because the placebo effect associated with it is well documented, and AFAIK there is not a scrap of evidence in it's favour. By default you are treating something with water, and paying for the privilege.

Homeopathy was developed during a time when people were fascinated with medicine and health, but with limited knowledge - digestive biscuits were popular around that time too.... Both things are still around but the use of only one has changed.
At the time homeopathy was not very accepted by the scientific community but probably grew in popularity because, although quite probably ineffective it was less dangerous than the alternatives. It is still around because you can make money from it, not because it works.
 
Caramac71 said:
Why so much negativity to Homeopathy?
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I'll answer - because it's snake oil. It really makes me despair that the NHS spends money on it. The money could be spent on medicine that shows true, dependable results under double blind conditions. Now I do believe that placebos have a place, but they should be presented honestly (plus the placebo effect still works even when you know it's a placebo).
 
Homeopathy is not medicine. At best it's a placebo for the owner.
If a horse needs medical attention, and the owner gives it 'homeopathic medicine' they should be in court for neglect.
If it doesn't need medical attention, then the owner has a form of munchausen syndrome by proxy.

I'd expect to be prosecuted if my child needed antibiotics and I took it to a 'faith healer'. What is this, the 15th century??? Why do we pussy foot around the ridiculous beliefs of gullable people when they are being encouraged by manipulative and dishonest traders? (homeopathy and religion both, for the avoidance of doubt).
 
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