How to give homeopathic treatment to horse?

Being ill is scary and typically the worse the condition the more scary it gets. Worse might mean that you're in pain constantly or could mean that whilst you "feel" mostly fine you've got a timer ticking over you before you go down-hill very fast.

Then if you read most advice slips on medication there is a very scary list of all the possible side effects. All the things that can potentially go wrong. All medicine has it and heck if you go in fur surgery there are even more scary things that can possibly go wrong - all of these lining up to worsen your state or even result in death or long term disabilities.

It's very scary! Doctors and medicine are legally bound to inform you even of the slightest chance of what could potentially go wrong.


Some people this choose to try and use herbal medicine as it tends to be seen as more pure or safe option. The truth is many herbal medicines are simply earlier forms of commercial ones used today (for those herbal remedies proven to work - excluding placebo effect). Furthermore there is an element of trust; whilst many herbal remedies are produced in factories they are seen as more honest and "earthy" than chemicals produced by a huge multinational company.


Others choose to rely upon things like homoeopathic medicine because it basically has no scary list of things that can go wrong. It is water. The dilution effect is so strong that the original chemical put within it is gone or so far gone as to be good as gone because its now one or two molecules. It relies fully upon several true and proven principles:
1) That many forms of illness DO get better on their own without medication.
2) That placebo effect does work at improving the recovery chances and rate. In this its no different than sugar pills and many other forms of placebo

But it also relies upon the industry behind it. Because its water its is a VERY profitable business to run. This creates a huge incentive for those involved with it to continue investing their money into promoting it. You also get wild-cards - those who claim major illness cured by homoeopathic medication - however they often come with little to no valid nor actual evidence. You won't find any medically authentic and documented cases of people with terminal illness being cured.



As a placebo and one "hot" in the public eye with advertising it has a valid place as complimenting regular medication. However it cannot, nor never should be, a replacement for regular medication. It's also one of those things that will come and go - it will last in the public eye so long as it gets pushed there by interested parties; once the money dries up it will vanish and something else will likely take its place. That it gets an unfair amount of investment from the NHS in times when funding is very thin is a major problem; however part of me suspects that at least if the NHS provides such treatment and is "known" to do it then there is every chance that people who otherwise might have used 3rd party options and forgone any valid medical treatment or advice might at the very least, be convinced to use regular medication alongside homoeopathic treatment.








As for the subject of animals, placebo effect can work upon them. However in order for it to work the animal must think that what it is given will make its situation improve; now that is the real trick. Trying to convince your horse that by taking this substance it will recover and I'm sure that that subject would prove very interesting to read up on; but also one which is very inconclusive. Short and long term memory might also be issues to contend with along with association.
Further, as said above, the medication must come with regular medical treatment; although for minor ailments/conditions which would normally resolve without treatment you might be able to forgo that unless the situation is abnormal or extreme.

Chances are good food, water and warmth would do as much if not far more for recovery; along with a few treats.
 
Homeopathy is not medicine. At best it's a placebo for the owner.
If a horse needs medical attention, and the owner gives it 'homeopathic medicine' they should be in court for neglect.
If it doesn't need medical attention, then the owner has a form of munchausen syndrome by proxy.

I'd expect to be prosecuted if my child needed antibiotics and I took it to a 'faith healer'. What is this, the 15th century??? Why do we pussy foot around the ridiculous beliefs of gullable people when they are being encouraged by manipulative and dishonest traders? (homeopathy and religion both, for the avoidance of doubt).

You are making an assumption that homeopathic remedies are given INSTEAD of conventional medicine.

I am currently giving my horse (under suggestion of my physiotherapist and with the knowledge and approval of my vet) a homeopathic remedy of Arnica/Rhus Tox/Ruta. This is to help counteract the effects of shockwave treatment on her back which is causing her pain (bruising?) for a week or so after treatment. We don't really want to bute and mask symptoms. I cant see any problem with this and neither can the professionals that we are working with.

I don't think this would or should warrant me being prosecuted! I don't view myself as a gullable person and I think anyone is making a huge amount of money from the £12 the remedy cost me.

The times I have used homeopathy have not been instead of conventional medicine - they have been complementary to other treatments and I have used them (under professional advice) in the same way others might try herbal treatments or supplements.

I'm really sorry OP, your thread seems to have gone off at a complete tangent and I apologise for my part in this but I'm really quite shocked at the responses.
 
Sorry, but if someone's selling you water for £12, and claiming it's a medicine, they're a charlatan, and you're gullable.
If you're buying it, do some reading and save yourself some money.

Herbal medicine = non-pharmaceutical plant-derived medicine. Homeopathic medicine = very expensive water.
 
As a placebo and one "hot" in the public eye with advertising it has a valid place as complimenting regular medication. However it cannot, nor never should be, a replacement for regular medication.

Totally agree with this and many of the points you make. However the OP has made no reference to the reasons for her wanting to use the remedy, what condition it is for, whether horse is already receiving vet treatment, etc. Yet many posters have assumed the homeopathic remedy is instead of conventional treatment and OP is at best wasting money and at worst preventing the horse from receiving vet treatment. I cant see anything in the post to indicate this and its up to the OP if they want to look into complementary/alternative therapies and it doesn't warrant ridicule from others.
 
I'm a bit scared to reply now lol! I am only coming on to post that my horse is 100% sound and healthy, and I am not concerned that there is something wrong with her. However someone has suggested something that may help her be even more healthy and happy, and I was interested in giving it a go. I may or may not now, haven't really decided. Was just interested in how I would give it, if I did decide to do so.
*** Running away to hide in a dark corner now :p ***
 
For some it doesn't matter why though caramac, or if it is used in conjunction with other treatments (though I think the latter tends to go against homeopathic thinking afaik) it is the fact that people can make a lot of money out of it by essentially preying on others worries without a shred of slightly positive evidence, depsite trying, that it works.

OP, I think you should do animal communicators as your next thread :D
 
I have answered the OP's original question. The NHS really should not be funding it, I feel a certain royal is to blame for this. However if you wish to use it for yourself, I feel that is your right but I shouldn't be paying for it.

There are indeed homeopathic GP's and nurses but they also know that there is no scientific basis for it and the placebo effect is a significant part of the usefulness of many treatments.



Ignorance is no excuse

My sister's kids were born in Germany and their GP was a homeopath as well as conventionally trained. They had a variety of treatments from him, all homeopathic and all were fine again within 24 hours. Over their, homeopathy is a normal part of the medical world. As for homeopathy in horses, I treated my mare's lymphangitis with it in conjunction with penecillin, insect bites and stings (myself too) and they were gone within hours (I swell like a balloon normally and have had to go to hospital in the past as a result) and I pendulous fluid sac on my horse's chest due to a probable insect bite. I put up with it, hoping it would go away of its own accord but 6 weeks later it hadn't improved at all. Out came the homeopathy and it was completely gone within 2 days.
 
Ah but at least they have to have evidence ;) and an awful lot of people would be stuck or dead without them and the hours of research that goes on behind them.

As it was invented by a German dude I guess that is why they are keener on it :p.
 
Homoeopathic works because of placebo so there is credible and viable medical documentation that it works. However its no more effective than sugar pills or any other of a huge variety of placebo effects - although because of the way things are people have started to distrust pills and trust more in "Natural" medication; and whilst homoeopathic is far from "natural" it has slipped under that umbrella. So there is a justification that it likely might, at a large sampling size, work better than some sugar pill approaches.

The reason people get "up in arms" is mostly because of the extreme end. When people put full trust in getting a cure against conventional medication for serious conditions. Even more so when those conditions are life threatening; but also curable with modern medicine.

Homoeopathic has medical justification behind it, but only in placebo effect. It won't cure cancer, legs won't grow back and the dead won't come back to life because of it.


siennamiller - I would guess that if your horse were to associate the taste and giving of the homoeopathic medication with general good health and well being and for the whole experience to be a positive one then it might well produce a result. Often as not the taking of regular medication for many animals isn't an exactly pleasant experience for them; so again placebo can present a much more mentally positive reaction.
Of course then the question become more of horse psychology and communication rather than one of how much dosage of homoeopathic medication it takes.
 
I'm frankly terrified that, even in the face of evidence, there are people who will spend £12 on water containing absolutely nothing. I always thought people who bought water for £1 a bottle when you can get it out the tap were pretty idiotic but that takes the biscuit.

Still, it's your money to flush down the toilet.
 
I'm frankly terrified that, even in the face of evidence, there are people who will spend £12 on water containing absolutely nothing. I always thought people who bought water for £1 a bottle when you can get it out the tap were pretty idiotic but that takes the biscuit.

Still, it's your money to flush down the toilet.

Please dont be terrified on my behalf, there's far worse things happening in the world.
 
Yep the "youre doing it wrong" and "dont use that it doesnt work" "we'll tell you what to use and how to care for your horse " is alive and well on H&H
Some things never change eh
 
Simon Singh always has interesting things to say on 'alternative' therapy.

As for me, I'm off to throw crystals at my horses head to try and promote a non-nappy aura...
 
I've logged in just for this. It took me ages because I am a long time lurker and last used it on the tessiebear foal thread. I use homoepathy all the time because it works.
 
I've logged in just for this. It took me ages because I am a long time lurker and last used it on the tessiebear foal thread. I use homoepathy all the time because it works.

Careful sky1000, welcome from me and be warned that you have left yourself open to ridicule. I also use it because it works. I rarely waste my time with second chances.
 
Sorry, but if someone's selling you water for £12, and claiming it's a medicine, they're a charlatan, and you're gullable.
If you're buying it, do some reading and save yourself some money.

Herbal medicine = non-pharmaceutical plant-derived medicine. Homeopathic medicine = very expensive water.

I once overdosed on a homeopathic remedy. I nearly drowned!
 
Case895 - lol.

It's impossible to even do a proper randomised control trial of homeopathic remedies because you can't make a comparative placebo - the reason for this is that there's already so little of the 'active substance' in the homeopathic sugar pill that it's impossible to get any less, to make a placebo to control against!! Anyone who uses it should read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science and then see what you think.

having said that, if it works for you (because you're succuming to the placebo effect) then that's all good really and you enjoy it, no harm done :-).
 
Except for to your pocket ;)

But I bet you are quite happy to pay at least £5 for a bottle of wine which only costs £1 to produce, or some snazzy item for your horse because YOU like it, not because the horse needs it, or a takeaway on Friday nights because you can't be bothered to cook, or makeup because you want to look like the model, or a particular car because you believed what they said in the advert and so on and so on. If I want to spend less than £5 on some homeopathic tablets then that is rather cheaper than a prescription. Recently I had a severe outbreak of psoriasis and the GP prescribed a cream. WHen I got it home the tube said in large letters " not to be used for psoriasis."
 
So far from the truth, I don't do make up, or wine, and am too far away from anywhere for takeaways...

As for the car, it amused the salesmen greatly when I told them I had done a spreadsheet to compare attributes of their two models as then I could sort it alphabetically....

I can't actually remember what I last purchased without a significant amount of research!
 
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