How to PTS~ discuss

I always swore my old boy would go by injection, however it was taken out of my hands and the hunt had to come as they could be with us within minutes, I was not with him when they did the deed, by all accounts it was not pleasant but how could I know that at the time, if I had known his time was near I would have made arrangements fir the vet, but he was galloping around hours before.

So ivguess sometimes you have to just go with the right thing. And either way it is heart breaking :(

Hugs fir any one going through this xx
 
Iv only had to have one pts, he was injected and his eyes sort of went and he then flipped over backwards and made one hell of a noise when he landed, gone before he hit the ground and out of his pain but was quite distressing to see. I would however go for this option every single time, its personal preference but I think its the best way for me. Its humane, pain free and they get to see the person they trust. Probably soppy but it meant a lot to me that I was with him and he was happy in my company. As for having them shot, it's not what I would go for but It wouldn't be done in this day and age if it wasn't humane.
 
bakedbean said:
I would say 100% i know my ponies better than my Vet.
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My vet has said this to me on more than one occasion. Having said that I do totally respect his knowledge and opinion. I would hope newly qualified vets would be aware that they are still learning and will be for a long time, that is why it is important they work with a decent practice that is prepared to give them back up when necessary. I have had one nq vet treating my dog and I definitely knew more about the breed than he did, luckily he didn't stay at the practice very long.:rolleyes:
 
I do totally respect any vet until proved otherwise. I have, sadly, come across several vets that I have had to push and argue with to get a horse investigated when I knew she was in pain. This was four sets of vets: our own vets, AHT, Rossdales and the Royal veterinary college. £6k of costs later (after we had suggested from the beginning she may have ulcers) she was finally scoped for them! They found them and she is now cured. But we had to argue with vets all the way who all insisted it was behavioural problems.

However, I do think this was an unusual case, and the fact that the mare went perfectly for all their riders didn't help matters. She only exhibitted the ridden symptoms of napping and turning round to look at her belly when her owner or myself rode her. We concluded that it was because she felt she could try to tell us, but was too frightened of the strangers. Who knows? But she's back to her old self now after treatment.
 
premiersporthorsesuk said:
Its the most awful experience anyway never mind having to have your beloved, best friends brains blown out. .
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Another misconception I believe. Brains are not blown out. A humane captive bolt I believe fires a small cylinder into the brain and goes straight back into the weapon. A pistol will shoot a bullet into the brain and will destroy brain tissue. For both methods death is instantaneous. Brain tissue does not come out of the hole, but sometimes anything from a small to a large amount of blood can come out. This is not my experience but this is my understanding of how shooting happens.
 
applecart14 said:
Another misconception I believe. Brains are not blown out. A humane captive bolt I believe fires a small cylinder into the brain and goes straight back into the weapon. A pistol will shoot a bullet into the brain and will destroy brain tissue. For both methods death is instantaneous. Brain tissue does not come out of the hole, but sometimes anything from a small to a large amount of blood can come out. This is not my experience but this is my understanding of how shooting happens.
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It was just a way of words....I know their brains aren't literally blown out!!! So no misconception at all.
 
A captive bolt only really stuns the horse - the brain has to be manually destroyed (pithing) afterwards. A vet told me that modern shooting methods use a dum-dum type bullet which does catastrophic damage inside the brain but is relatively low velocity so stays inside the skull. There can be substantial blood loss via the nostrils in some cases.
 
Oh this topic has subjected me to a barrage of abusive pm's over my opinion on vets deserving respect.

I'm thought this forum was full of mature adults? Maybe I am wrong...
 
Chloe..x said:
Oh this topic has subjected me to a barrage of abusive pm's over my opinion on vets deserving respect.

I'm thought this forum was full of mature adults? Maybe I am wrong...
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You are most certainly wrong I'm afraid.

But not on the vet issue. Whilst there are certainly vets who have got it wrong, they deserve respect until proved otherwise.
 
fatpiggy said:
A captive bolt only really stuns the horse - the brain has to be manually destroyed (pithing) afterwards. A vet told me that modern shooting methods use a dum-dum type bullet which does catastrophic damage inside the brain but is relatively low velocity so stays inside the skull. There can be substantial blood loss via the nostrils in some cases.
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This artical (don't read if easily upset or squeamish) seems to support this. It even appears to suggest that a second shot should always be used and that in animal slaughter, the throat must be slit in order to ensure death (as well as for bleeding). It also gives me the impression that death, even by gun may not be instant and says a second shot given within 30 seconds greatly reduces the amount of reflex thrashing.

I was always led to believe death by captive bolt or by gun was instant.

http://www.voogdconsulting.com/images/Guidance_for_Euthanasia_of_Non.pdf
 
Chloe..x said:
Oh this topic has subjected me to a barrage of abusive pm's over my opinion on vets deserving respect.

I'm thought this forum was full of mature adults? Maybe I am wrong...
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Totally uncalled for, they should be ashamed of themselves for being so petty but obviously haven't the guts to do it on open; are they afraid there is too much evidence of SOME vets being totally useless as several of us can testify. I agree, they are probably in the minority but that's all the more reason to be aware that they are out there, not to be duped by them simply because they are a vet. Respect where it's due, not if it isn't.
Echo BB, name and shame them.
 
I think it is a personal choice I would never have a go at someone for the method they choose :(
I have had 2 pts :( one by injection and one by the gun
My mare had the gun and it was taken out of my hands on that method :( the a@@hole of a vet was a complete disgrace my mare suffered beyond belief cause of him so am afraid I do agree with others vets need to earn respect
When I was younger I thought vets were the bees knees I really did, fast forward 12 years when my mare was in so much pain she was throwing herself against a wall and that was after a shed load of colic drugs and the a@@hole would not come out to pts and only called martlands to do it after both mum and yo threatened to sue his and practices a@@e off :(
My boy was done via injection and it once the vet could get near him, he hated the vet :D it was peaceful the only thing I would add that I was not warned about the reflex after the deed was done let's just say I thought it hadn't worked until the vet explained
 
Maesfen said:
Totally uncalled for, they should be ashamed of themselves for being so petty but obviously haven't the guts to do it on open; are they afraid there is too much evidence of SOME vets being totally useless as several of us can testify. I agree, they are probably in the minority but that's all the more reason to be aware that they are out there, not to be duped by them simply because they are a vet. Respect where it's due, not if it isn't.
Echo BB, name and shame them.
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Also being told in particular by Mollys Mum that my OH shouldn't be a vet because he only did 5 years at university.

Even though if you do some research, it's easy to see the course is indeed 5

RVC
The BVetMed Veterinary Medicine programme is a full-time 5 year undergraduate degree programme taught at the Camden and Hawkshead campuses.

Uni of Liverpool
After 5 years, graduates are awarded the degree of Batchelor of Veterinary Science (BVSc) and are eligible for membership of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons

Uni of Bristol
In years one and two, you will study the normal structure and function of the animal body, together with animal management, production and husbandry. The final three years are clinically orientated to both domestic and exotic species. Most of the teaching during years one to three is in Bristol, with at least one day per week spent in the Department of Clinical Veterinary Science in Langford, our 'field station', some 14 miles south of Bristol. Years four and five are taught entirely at Langford. In year three or four, you will be offered to chance to intercalate in a science subject that you have studied in order to obtain an Honours BSc.
 
As I have said before, I use the hunt who do a clean, efficient job. They smell of dogs & horses & so your horse doesn't spook (Vets mean jabs) & they feed polos to the relaxed horse. But this subject has to coin a phrase in not the best taste 'been done to death'. Do whatever you feel your horse will cope with besyour feelings don't come into it.. It's an individual matter & you have to make the decision for yourself & live with it.
 
bakedbean said:
name and shame...i would
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Yes, me too - whilst I don't agree with you all the time - well most of the time actually, I certainly wouldn't send you a PM!! The idea of the forum is to have discussion, which invariably means disagreement. Come on Chloe - name and shame!!
 
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