How to sit a jump on a horse with a very powerful bum!

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Any advice on how to sit to a jump when your horse has a very powerful bottom end!
I can get in a reasonable position as hovis' front end comes up under me but as soon as the front end is over he powers out of his back legs and bum and nearly throws me out of the saddle! It feels like two very seperate motions split by milli-econds (which it is!!) but that power explosion from his bum throws me forwards despite any attempts not to.
Any advice other than super glue?!!
 
what sort of saddle are you using?
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Not that I am a jumper by any means but as noone else is talking to you...have you tried staying forward a fraction longer so he doesn't catapult you with his cannon ball bum?
 
The best way to describe it is front end comes up and back legs power front end up = all fine.
Front end starts to come down and back end powers up. It's like being fired from a sling shot! All that power coming up through his bottom.
New instructor says it may be the height isn't high enough yet to make him jump it in one motion as opposed to two (if that makes sense).
 
hmmm...could be that your saddle isn't helping you but its hard to say without seeing whats happening...could you be getting too far forwards? or possibly his jump isn't fluid enough so its like he's heaving over the fence in two parts rather than jumping....? my baby horse has a super active back end (think shutterfly- like
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I have that problem with the big ginger one, hence why its not easy in a straight cut TG...from a stand still with no stirrups, hence my stunt jumping on Friday night
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Just be ready to slip your reins, tilt your pelvis forwards and look up, keep them moving, the that front end picks up and goes, the better you can sit to it and have a good jumping saddle. At the moment I don't have the funds to buy saddle for someone elses horse lol...so I'll settle with falling off
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umm, I'll try and help as I had a lot of difficulty sitting my lads jump for a long time, due to his pingy bum.

I found that the biggest help was short stirrups, take them up till you feel comfortable, then take them up another hole or 2. You'll see here how short mine are,

http://www.peak-photo.co.uk/index.php?li...rev&start=0

(although I have stupidly short legs (i'm afraid I had to purchase a new saddle in order to get my knees to meet the knee rolls, buy you have probably got normal legs, so won't have this problem).

Then the rest is down to sitting tall and not getting ahead of the movement. you'll be able to fold up enough so that pingy bum of his doesn't meet your bum, but if it does, then it's not going to throw you out of your stirrups, it'll just ping your bum up but your stirrups will catch you if you know what i mean.

but it's very important you don't get ahead of the movement so you aren't on his neck landing.

Don't throw yourself over the jump, just release your seat and hands as he takes off, don't stand up, just take your bum out of the saddle, I try not to consciously fold, keep your body upright ish, then you'll probably naturally fold enough, it's good to stay a little defensive, then if he trips or stops or you are jumping downhill, you'll be able to stay with him.

http://www.peak-photo.co.uk/index.php?li...ext&start=0

http://www.peak-photo.co.uk/index.php?pa...mp;search_mode=

http://www.peak-photo.co.uk/index.php?li...t&start=180

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Haha! I have a similar problem
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I actually find I have to ride short on madam to stay on her as she has a very active bottom
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A GP wont be helping as it will be whacking you up the bottom anyway! So if you can get a flat seated saddle, that will help, keep your shoulders up and fold from the waist, and dont get infront of the movement should help
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umm, I'll try and help as I had a lot of difficulty sitting my lads jump for a long time, due to his pingy bum.

I found that the biggest help was short stirrups, take them up till you feel comfortable, then take them up another hole or 2. You'll see here how short mine are,



(although I have stupidly short legs (i'm afraid I had to purchase a new saddle in order to get my knees to meet the knee rolls, buy you have probably got normal legs, so won't have this problem).

Then the rest is down to sitting tall and not getting ahead of the movement. you'll be able to fold up enough so that pingy bum of his doesn't meet your bum, but if it does, then it's not going to throw you out of your stirrups, it'll just ping your bum up but your stirrups will catch you if you know what i mean.

but it's very important you don't get ahead of the movement so you aren't on his neck landing.

Don't throw yourself over the jump, just release your seat and hands as he takes off, don't stand up, just take your bum out of the saddle, I try not to consciously fold, keep your body upright ish, then you'll probably naturally fold enough, it's good to stay a little defensive, then if he trips or stops or you are jumping downhill, you'll be able to stay with him.





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Agree with all of this. the less you initially do the more you can do when you need to. if you've folded too much to start with you can't do anymore but if you've stayed up more you've got a bit more choice about what you do.
 
If you have a very deep-seated saddle, it might be slapping you on the bum and propelling you forwards. I used to have this problem with Antifaz's saddle after riding in PF's, which has a much flatter seat. I don't lift my back end very high when jumping, which compounds the problem
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Did you mean something like this?
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I have found that when I jump bigger he stops doing it so much but still kicks out, I do find it hard to sit to, also it gives me less control on landing as I am unseated. I jump in a working hunter saddle that doesnt help, I have found that shorter stirrups are a big help. I have tried a couple of jumping saddles and that made a big difference unfortunately I am still looking for one in my price range that fits my horse. He has improved with age, he has learn not to put so much in to small jumps now (or at least not as often
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Not quite that bad but not far off!
I do have a fair deep seated saddle so you're right that isn't helping and I've obviously not quite got the angle of bend right as if he really pings i'm round his neck before you know it! The higher the jumps get the less bad it is but I get scared!!
 
It is scary istn't it? perhaps the reason it's happening over the smaller jumps is that you are dilly dallying into them, resulting in Mr H giving a bit of a heave?

Whereas when the jumps are up you are more aware of your approach and have him nice and forwards?

Just a suggestions, not seen you so can't critique, just aware that I have been guilty of the same. a forward canter does reduce the heave effect!.
 
Hi, yep Wind it was me! This is PETER, he had a massive back kick on landing. All I can say is sit up quickly! Actually the more jumps he did consecutively the less he did it! here he is! (sorry to all those who have seen this several times!)
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aha! welcome to my world!! Ron does the same - it comes from him being quite short coupled.

my instructor says that you have to sit up more going into the jump and resist the temptation to fold as his front end comes up.

Then as soon as his front end lands you have to look up again.

Takes practice, but once you get the idea his jumps will moderate themselves! my instructor says that he launches the backend cos he's concerned that i'm too far forwards so he tries to 'catch up' with me - it is working and his jumps are getting better!
 
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