How would you take this as a livery

[Sky’s-Legacy]

Im in a area where there has been a potential case of EHV-1 at a yard around 6 miles away from me! The yard is in full quarantine with no movement whatsoever! Friend is meant to be attending a sponsored ride tomorrow, travelling alone and riding alone, the YO has said their not allowed to go because they feel that it's taking a risk that isn't worth it! YO has said Friend can go to the beach instead, Friend has said she'll box to a certain place and go for a hack instead and has been told no YO doesn't want her to hack there either!

All other liveries have said they don't mind Friend and her horse going but YO is saying no!

Would you feel this is a little controlling? I understand that she's looking out for the horses on her yard etc... but to now be telling Friend that she's not allowed to hack out in certain places as well when we're not in hacking distance of this yard with EHV-1 and Friend never comes in contact with any other horse out hacking is maybe a bit much!

Am I alone in thinking this? Friend wouldn't take any risks with her horse nor do anything that would put anyone else's horses at risk. Just wondered what other peoples views are on this and if im alone thinking maybe a little ott?

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

If the yard is in full quarantine, nobody should be going anywhere.

 

[holeymoley]

Nope. She shouldn’t be going anywhere.

 

[Sky’s-Legacy]

If the yard is in full quarantine, nobody should be going anywhere.

Sorry if it isn't clear enough friend is on a completely different yard around 6 miles away from the one in quarantine! The yard friend is on is totally fine.

 

[dogatemysalad]

You friend doesn't seem to understand the word, no.

 

[Gingerwitch]

I would not be happy but what choice has friend got at this point.
If she objects she could be asked to leave.
If she goes she may be told horse not allowed back on yard, so unless your friend has somewhere else to go she could be stuffed.
Suggest she keeps her plans to herself in future, but if she has to tell yard owner where she is going all the time I would defo say this us a control issue and to get out of that place pdq

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Given that the virus is airborne, albeit they do not know just how far it is capable of travelling, I would not be risking anyone riding out on a yard just 6 miles away. If it is that close it is possible that wherever you hack in the vicinity there maybe some risk that horses from that infected yard have recently also hacked there. Or perhaps I am thinking over cautiously?

 

[Gingerwitch]

Given that the virus is airborne, albeit they do not know just how far it is capable of travelling, I would not be risking anyone riding out on a yard just 6 miles away. If it is that close it is possible that wherever you hack in the vicinity there maybe some risk that horses from that infected yard have recently also hacked there. Or perhaps I am thinking over cautiously?

I thought yard that has it is in full lock down so would not be out hacking?

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I think you might have to explain again. I can quite see why YO doesn't want people going to where they could be mixing with potentially infected horses.

 

[EchoInterrupted]

Another thing to keep in mind is that while the other liveries may be saying to her that they are OK with it, they might not want to be the "negative nancy" and may not be comfortable telling her that they aren't actually OK with it (but maybe they've mentioned it to the YO). In the end, this isn't really something you want to mess with and if the yard that's in quarantine is only 6 miles away, horses from other yards nearby that were exposed to those horses may very well be boxing up and hacking out at the same places she would be. I guess I am a bit confused though about why the YO would be OK with her going on a beach ride rather than on a hack. Is the beach further away from the infected yard than the area she wants to hack in? Maybe the assumption is that because visibility is very good on the beach you won't accidentally run into another horse around a wooded bend like you might on some hacking routes?

 

[muddybay]

So is her yard on lockdown or is it the yard 6 miles away?

 

[Lipglosspukka]

Yes I think it's over the top.

 

[skint1]

So is her yard on lockdown or is it the yard 6 miles away?

I think her friend is six miles away from the yard that is on lockdown.
I feel sorry for the friend, it is disappointing, but I guess if that's the position of the YO there really isn't much she can do.

 

[stormox]

6 miles isnt far! I dont think she should go hacking if YO says no.

 

[Sky’s-Legacy]

So is her yard on lockdown or is it the yard 6 miles away?

Her yard is 6 miles or so away from the yard that is in lockdown!

Thanks for the replies interesting to hear everyone's views.

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

I completely agree with YO - for the sake of a few weeks I wouldn't want to risk it. You don't know what horses have mixed with the EHV-1 horses before symptoms/diagnosis, or where the yard horses have hacked etc..

 

[Quigleyandme]

We didn’t hack anywhere during foot and mouth in 2001. Even though horses don’t have cloven hooves and therefore can’t contract it we could still have spread it and we felt a need to show solidarity with the farmers of Devon who were locked down and lost their livestock in the most distressing of circumstances.

 

[ester]

I'd be pleased I had a yard owner who took infection control seriously.

 

[catkin]

The yard on lockdown is nearby.
The yard owner has to think of everyone and how best to protect them all over the next weeks/months - and a yard on full lockdown with any sort of virus is traumatic so can fully understand their point of view.
I'd be keeping very close to home for a few weeks to see how things pan out.

 

[CanteringCarrot]

I think if it is in your general area (I'd include 6 miles in that), then it is best for everyone to stay put for a bit. If my YO said this, I would have no problems and would happily stay on the yard for now. Is it overly cautious? Perhaps, but I'm ok with it.

 

[Tiddlypom]

We didn’t hack anywhere during foot and mouth in 2001. Even though horses don’t have cloven hooves and therefore can’t contract it we could still have spread it and we felt a need to show solidarity with the farmers of Devon who were locked down and lost their livestock in the most distressing of circumstances.

Snap, except I was in Cheshire. Without prior discussion all we horsey locals stayed at home during foot and mouth - no hacking or boxing out. Nearest outbreak was 5 miles away.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

I'm going against the grain here but I think it's over the top. EHV only travels a few metres so you need close direct contact or indirect contact such as virus being transported on clothing. But presumably there are no links between the 2 yards or between the infected yard and the sponsored ride. The yard is 6 miles away and in lockdown so I can't see a realistic transmission route. YO's can do what they want but I would prefer ythem to make decisions based on evidence. If it were my yard I would ask for veterinary advice and follow it. But frankly if a vet told the yard 6 miles away that it was advisable to lockdown I'd be astonished. Though happy to be corrected if any vet or epidemiologist wants to chip in?

 

[sport horse]

According to reports EHV travelled 3 km from isolation yard to show yard at the Sunshine Tour. If only everyone stayed at home for a bit it would go away. Do not forget 18 horses died just over one month ago. Better to be too careful than too casual.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

According to the FEI and BHS it can travel up to 5 metres.
Just googled random vet practice fact sheets: 1 says maximum possible is 30 yards another says up to 35 feet.

Well short of 3k let alone 6 miles. If there was transmission from yard to show it must have been indirect - someone from the isolated yard going to the show.

Yes it's a horrible disease but the trouble with knee jerk or non rational responses to it is that a) they aren't sustained over time and b) people disobey. Popele are generally much more likely to follow rational rules long term. So I prefer measured, rartional, evidence based responses.

 

[Tiddlypom]

You don't have control over who you may come into contact with out hacking. Other horses may come closer than is wise.

So YO is wise to exert authority over her liveries. If they don't like it, they can jump to somewhere else that isn't fussed ?‍.

I think that this is a rational, evidence based response.

 

[ycbm]

I'm with AE, I think it's completely over the top. Another one to add to my list of reasons why I shouldn't ever go back to a livery yard.
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[ycbm]

You don't have control over who you may come into contact with out hacking. Other horses may come closer than is wise.

So YO is wise to exert authority over her liveries. If they don't like it, they can jump to somewhere else that isn't fussed ?‍.

I think that this is a rational, evidence based response.

Allowing her to go to the beach is pretty illogical, though, on the same basis that other horses are likely to be there in this weather.

 

[Gingerwitch]

How many yards actually where your going though, unless its before or after yard opening times or i am keeping a horse off the yard overnight I never say what I am doing or where I am going so a bit surprised that for a routine ride out the friend has had to say where they are going.

 

[Flicker]

To be honest, this is one of those situations where I’d probably apply the ‘pick your battles’ principle. YO may be being over the top, they may not. Is it worth getting into a protracted disagreement over? Probably not. Your friend may not agree with YO’s logic but what would be the benefit of insisting on going out in the box for a particular activity and potentially damaging the YO / Livery relationship for the future? If she disagrees strongly enough with how the YO runs the yard, she should probably look for a new one. If she’s generally happy, apart from this particular decision which feels like it is based on trying to keep the rest of the yard safe, she should probably just do what the YO suggests.

 

[paddy555]

We didn’t hack anywhere during foot and mouth in 2001. Even though horses don’t have cloven hooves and therefore can’t contract it we could still have spread it and we felt a need to show solidarity with the farmers of Devon who were locked down and lost their livestock in the most distressing of circumstances.

I guess from some of your earlier posts you were not far from me. We certainly didn't ride, footbath at the gate and no horses went out of the gate.
We were not the only ones, I only remember one person insisting on taking their horses out.

I remember when it was over we went to a Parelli talk at Peter Tavy village hallI think it was. I think half of Devon went. It was the first place most of us had been for many weeks. No one had been riding. I don't think you were even allowed to ride on the common anyway. Terrible time.

As for the OP's question then yard owner's yard and their rules.