Tia
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Reprimand a dog which belongs to a breed which should never be reprimanded by humans?
How would you?
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QUICKFIRE
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What breed of dog would that be then?
Tia
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A Livestock Guardian Dog; bred to work totally independently of human intervention. Bred to take orders from no-one. Bred to be fully accountable to themselves for their actions.
QUICKFIRE
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sorry i have never heard of this breed of dog so can't really help, but wouldn't be good if humans were bred with the same outlook
Tia
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*sniggers* I know what you mean.
Nudibranch
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Ooh, sounds unusual. So would you still take into account the fact that as a dog, it should be part of a pack, therefore requires a pack leader and ultimately should be corrected by the pack leader? Or are they completely out of this loop altogether?
Tia
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They are out of that loop too. They are generally solitary dogs who work completely independently of anyone and anything; often spending weeks or months alone with their livestock and seeing nothing else but the livestock.
Mine isn't doing anything wrong. She is doing her job perfectly BUT she does continue to bark once the threat of the coyotes/wolves have gone. Am trying a few things with her and I have my fingers crossed that it is working - it gradually seems to be, so I am hopeful.
Mine isn't doing anything wrong. She is doing her job perfectly BUT she does continue to bark once the threat of the coyotes/wolves have gone. Am trying a few things with her and I have my fingers crossed that it is working - it gradually seems to be, so I am hopeful.
AmyMay
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She is doing her job perfectly BUT she does continue to bark once the threat of the coyotes/wolves have gone
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Maybe she knows something you don't???
She is doing her job perfectly BUT she does continue to bark once the threat of the coyotes/wolves have gone
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Maybe she knows something you don't???
Cop-Pop
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How do u train them to start off with or do they just work on instinct?
Tia
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Amy, you don't know how right you are! She does know they are out there and that this is her job - I have no problem with that. The only thing is that she continues till she is sure the threat has gone. She stands sniffing the air so I know when there is something around, and then the moment whatever it is makes a sound off she goes.
She's a VERY good dog and up till last week I have never ever had cause to tell her off for anything. I was speaking to my vet yesterday after I had spent a couple of days on the Internet trying to find answers, and the vet was intrigued by her. My findings were that when these dogs are in season they have a heightened awareness of predation and they become even more protective of their stock. So I have booked all of my dogs in to be spayed as soon as the Spring comes along.
I have been trying some different tactics over the past week and I think I have found the answer. Last night and the day before it appeared to work and she has been quiet throughout the whole of those 2 nights.
It's funny because they are known to be very quiet dogs, and she is, but she just leaps into action the minute she hears the wolves howling. She's beautiful, very loving in her own little way and she is smart; smart enough to understand what I am asking of her I'm sure.
She's a VERY good dog and up till last week I have never ever had cause to tell her off for anything. I was speaking to my vet yesterday after I had spent a couple of days on the Internet trying to find answers, and the vet was intrigued by her. My findings were that when these dogs are in season they have a heightened awareness of predation and they become even more protective of their stock. So I have booked all of my dogs in to be spayed as soon as the Spring comes along.
I have been trying some different tactics over the past week and I think I have found the answer. Last night and the day before it appeared to work and she has been quiet throughout the whole of those 2 nights.
It's funny because they are known to be very quiet dogs, and she is, but she just leaps into action the minute she hears the wolves howling. She's beautiful, very loving in her own little way and she is smart; smart enough to understand what I am asking of her I'm sure.
Tia
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You don't train them - you just put them in a field with their stock at some point between 6 - 12 weeks old and leave them there. Odd eh?
They tell you that if the dog doesn't do what you ask it then you are supposed to lock it up for a few days and every time it does this, you lock it up and then after a couple of times the dog understands what is expected and what is not. You aren't supposed to shout at these dogs or order them around, and you're told never ever to smack them and the only threatening behaviour you should use is to stand over them and have them lie down for you to touch and rub their tummies.
When my dog first starting all this barking constantly last week, this was what I did, although I only put her in the pen for a couple of hours. That combined with telling her she is a good girl and that everything is okay, seems to be working.
Interestingly I only put her in the pen twice and after I let her out the second time, she moved out!
She left the dogroom and moved down into one of the barns and slept down there. When I went out searching for her in the pitch dark, she looked up at me with her beautiful black eyes like I had deeply hurt her
. I made a huge fuss of her and brought her back up to the house but after having her chews, she left again.
Last night I found her back down in the little bed she had made up in the barn and I called her back up to the house. I gave her a little treat and actually allowed her to come into the house, something she has never done before. She was thrilled to be able to come in. More cuddles and kisses and then put her back outside in the dogroom and she stayed there all night quietly and was still sound asleep this morning in her bed.
Superly interesting dog though.
They tell you that if the dog doesn't do what you ask it then you are supposed to lock it up for a few days and every time it does this, you lock it up and then after a couple of times the dog understands what is expected and what is not. You aren't supposed to shout at these dogs or order them around, and you're told never ever to smack them and the only threatening behaviour you should use is to stand over them and have them lie down for you to touch and rub their tummies.
When my dog first starting all this barking constantly last week, this was what I did, although I only put her in the pen for a couple of hours. That combined with telling her she is a good girl and that everything is okay, seems to be working.
Interestingly I only put her in the pen twice and after I let her out the second time, she moved out!
Last night I found her back down in the little bed she had made up in the barn and I called her back up to the house. I gave her a little treat and actually allowed her to come into the house, something she has never done before. She was thrilled to be able to come in. More cuddles and kisses and then put her back outside in the dogroom and she stayed there all night quietly and was still sound asleep this morning in her bed.
Superly interesting dog though.
Blizzard
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She is fascinating Tia! Clearly very intelligent!
Tia
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I think so but maybe I am biased
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What are St B's like? Do they do any of these strange things?
What are St B's like? Do they do any of these strange things?
AmyMay
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Tia - time for a photo update of her I think
Blizzard
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I think so but maybe I am biased
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What are St B's like? Do they do any of these strange things?
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Sorry Tia, missed your post!
Well when I first got Cujo he was 10wks old, and when we went to see him we could see immediately he was a bossy little so and so.
So from day one I was strict with him, I knew it would only be a few months before he overtook my labrador in size, and only a few months more than that and he would weigh more than me, so I made sure I only let him do as a pup, what I would allow him to do as an adult.
He hasnt been an ounce of bother.
He was off the lead from 13wks old, I have always just been firm but fair with him, and he respects that.
People say he is a big softy, and he is, but he also reminds me of my big horse Beau, in that if he knew he could take advantage, he would push the boundaries.
But honestly, he is gentle, loyal, obedient, affectionate and soppy, loves nothing more than lying on his back having his belly scratched lol.
I have however just through walking my dogs been offered other St B's, usually from people who saw this:
the cute fluffy pup, and mothered it, let it get way with anything, then all of a sudden by faced with 14 stones of dog that wont listen to them, and they want rid. It is a shame.
I love my boy though!
He is always a good boy for his mum.
I think so but maybe I am biased
What are St B's like? Do they do any of these strange things?
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Sorry Tia, missed your post!
Well when I first got Cujo he was 10wks old, and when we went to see him we could see immediately he was a bossy little so and so.
So from day one I was strict with him, I knew it would only be a few months before he overtook my labrador in size, and only a few months more than that and he would weigh more than me, so I made sure I only let him do as a pup, what I would allow him to do as an adult.
He hasnt been an ounce of bother.
He was off the lead from 13wks old, I have always just been firm but fair with him, and he respects that.
People say he is a big softy, and he is, but he also reminds me of my big horse Beau, in that if he knew he could take advantage, he would push the boundaries.
But honestly, he is gentle, loyal, obedient, affectionate and soppy, loves nothing more than lying on his back having his belly scratched lol.
I have however just through walking my dogs been offered other St B's, usually from people who saw this:
the cute fluffy pup, and mothered it, let it get way with anything, then all of a sudden by faced with 14 stones of dog that wont listen to them, and they want rid. It is a shame.
I love my boy though!
myjack
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You don't train them - you just put them in a field with their stock at some point between 6 - 12 weeks old and leave them there. Odd eh?
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6 - 12 weeks!?
I would be petrified to leave it in a field. How big is this breed?
That certainly is odd I agree.
Seems you both have bonded well though.
You don't train them - you just put them in a field with their stock at some point between 6 - 12 weeks old and leave them there. Odd eh?
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6 - 12 weeks!?
I would be petrified to leave it in a field. How big is this breed?
That certainly is odd I agree.
Seems you both have bonded well though.