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hi im still new to this so please exuse any typos etc
i was at northalerton ODE yesterday and the HSI hats have only got a sticker in them to prove they r up to standard if you losse this sticker or the sticker has come of they are refusing to tag the hats , one poor rider had a new hat without the sticker and they would not tag it so she had to run around trying to borrow a hat , im sure she was not the only one.
they passed mine thank god but advised me to take it back to the shop as there were a lot not passing.
 
Did they give a reason why they were not passing?

What did they have to 'pass'. Our family have had several other types of hats tagged by BE, where they have only looked for the safety standard inside. I thought the HS1 had the standard tags inside as every other hat does, I am a little confused by this:eek:
 
hi sorry i didnt make sence .
The HSI's have the safety info inside, but it is only on a sticker inside the hat, if the sticker has come off due to your head sweating lol they will not tag it.
I think once it is tagged by them its fine.
it was my 1st BE yesterday so i asume once it has been tagged your good to go, does hat have to be checked everytime you go once it has already been tagged ?
This did cause lots of trouble yesterday so thought i should warn people , maybe there were a lot of new comers there .
 
Personally I think this is a totally ridiculously thing for BE to do. So the standards required by BE are identified by a removable sticker. Even if the sticker is missing the hat is still up to standard! The HS1 is a distinctive hat and surely the BE secretaries must be aware that this is a problem.
So instead of tagging a hat which is safe and fitted to the rider (and the rider knowing hasn't been dropped or in an accident) they are risking a rider 'borrowing' a hat which may not fit properly and may have been in an unknown accident.

Has Gatehouse been made aware of this problem, surely if they contacted BE it could stop this stupid rule
 
gosh - I don't compete or even jump eeek!!! If sticker can be removed then does this mean any old hat can be stickered and then passed? I forsee a whole new Far East sweatshop business.
 
They must have changed then - OH's HS1 has a diamond shaped safety label stitched inside so it can't come off.

When they first came out they had the side BE hat tag on them from the manufacturers, however they don't have these any more. It must have been causing probs with the different BE/BS/PC bodies or something.

Fiona
 
I had this same prob at ALW the other day, brand new HSI but when I took it to get tagged it had NO sticker inside :eek: I went back to the supplier who said it was a common prob with these and they sent me next day delivery to put inside. Ridiculous for such an expensive hat imo.
 
glamourpuss said:
Personally I think this is a totally ridiculously thing for BE to do. So the standards required by BE are identified by a removable sticker. Even if the sticker is missing the hat is still up to standard! The HS1 is a distinctive hat and surely the BE secretaries must be aware that this is a problem.
So instead of tagging a hat which is safe and fitted to the rider (and the rider knowing hasn't been dropped or in an accident) they are risking a rider 'borrowing' a hat which may not fit properly and may have been in an unknown accident.

Has Gatehouse been made aware of this problem, surely if they contacted BE it could stop this stupid rule
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It is not a stupid rule its for your own safety.For your information if the BE tag is missing you cannot compete with that hat.BE and a lot of events have tried to publicise this problem as it has been on the BE website for some time also several events have put this in the headlines at the top of the entries page on BDWP.
 
popsdosh said:
It is not a stupid rule its for your own safety.For your information if the BE tag is missing you cannot compete with that hat.BE and a lot of events have tried to publicise this problem as it has been on the BE website for some time also several events have put this in the headlines at the top of the entries page on BDWP.
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I am quite aware that if the hat doesn't have a BE tag on it you can't go XC. What I'm saying is that I think that BE are being a little silly here. As I said in my post the HS1 is a distinctive hat, it is fairly obvious when one is plonked in front of you. A quick google tells me this
"The Gatehouse HS1 is the only jockey skull in the UK to carry the American SNELL E2001, as well as PAS015 and BS EN 1384. Widely regarded as the highest riding hat standard currently in manufacture, SNELL E2001 includes a unique test that simulates a rider falling onto a fence rail or having a secondary hit by a horse’s hoof."

So just because the removable sticker stating the required standard for the tagging is gone the HS1 still does have that standard, doesn't it? Why not tag it? The hat does comply to the correct safety levels and BE are aware that there is an issue with the stickers coming away so I don't understand why they are risking riders borrowing hats that might not fit them (and would be useless in a fall) for the sake of tagging hats which are perfectly safe.
 
I had this exact problem at a PC event the other day! Assistant DC was not very nice about it at all, I understood she couldn't tag it for insurance reasons, but it was only combined training, so wasn't going XC or anything. We thought it was ridiculous that she would not let me ride in my own hat, fitted to me, even though at least half the toher compettitors were in HSI's and many untagged, but would've preferred me to ride in someone else's used hat, fitted to them... surely this is more dangerous?! :rolleyes: DC was happy for me to ride in it then, as long as we got it sorted in the near future. We took it back to Ingatestone and swapped it, they said this had never happened to them before though! Such a performance, as it obviously was the genuine article and up to standards, we had the labels from purchase to prove it. I know it's insurance but surely Gatehouse should do something if it's such a common problem? :confused: Sorry... rant over lol :p
 
I know Gatehouse so I'm going to make them aware of this - they have gone to enormous lengths on safety and have just produced a video proving just how strong these hats are and how stringently tested they are so if something is wrong with labelling it seems like madness.
 
This is what the pony club have sent around

Gatehouse HS1 safety labels
We have found a couple of incidences where the internal crown label of the Gatehouse HS1 helmet
has become detached either by removal by the user or through a lack of adhesion and neither British
Eventing nor The Pony Club will be able to tag your helmet without this safety label.
These labels are an essential safety item and contain a unique tracking number. It is vital that these
labels remain in situ. If you have a helmet without a label, please contact the manufacturers direct
with details of where and when the helmet was purchased. Contact Bill Vero or Alison Cook at
Design Headwear on 01793 850342.
 
glamourpuss said:
I am quite aware that if the hat doesn't have a BE tag on it you can't go XC. What I'm saying is that I think that BE are being a little silly here. As I said in my post the HS1 is a distinctive hat, it is fairly obvious when one is plonked in front of you. A quick google tells me this
"The Gatehouse HS1 is the only jockey skull in the UK to carry the American SNELL E2001, as well as PAS015 and BS EN 1384. Widely regarded as the highest riding hat standard currently in manufacture, SNELL E2001 includes a unique test that simulates a rider falling onto a fence rail or having a secondary hit by a horse’s hoof."

So just because the removable sticker stating the required standard for the tagging is gone the HS1 still does have that standard, doesn't it? Why not tag it? The hat does comply to the correct safety levels and BE are aware that there is an issue with the stickers coming away so I don't understand why they are risking riders borrowing hats that might not fit them (and would be useless in a fall) for the sake of tagging hats which are perfectly safe.
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How long before they start tagging fakes because they look like a Gatehouse .As quoted above each hat has a unique number so that gatehouse can follow up on problems and it is also there to try and stop copies hitting the market.
 
this happened at Stafford with my Champion hat- the label was still in there but the writing had blurred and they refused to re-tag it (the tag had fallen off).
 
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