Hunt going through farms/livery yards with horses

[pixie]

Would you expect the horses to have been stabled? What would you think if they were in the fields going ballistic while you rode past?

 

[meesha]

We have ridden through fields with horses still in, everyone is very quiet and we walk! Horses trot around a bit but were fine. We have also passed stables and fields and again horses on those yards may trot around with tail up in air if in fields but not seen one going mental !

 

[pixie]

And if you were riding alongside the fields where the horses were going mental, would that feel ok? Would you presume that the owners are ok with it, or something else?

 

[Goldenstar]

We hunt past fields of horses regularity .
If I saw them galloping around I would just think they where being horses .
I am conflicted myself with my own , I am never sure that in is better than out .

 

[pixie]

So it would never occur to you that you did not have permission to be on the land?

 

[Goldenstar]

So it would never occur to you that you did not have permission to be on the land?

Of course not because we don't go on land where we don't have the right to be .

 

[pixie]

Of course not because we don't go on land where we don't have the right to be .

AHAHAHAHA!!!

Can you tell that I'm pissed off that the local hunt has once again gone onto land that they have been told not to, despite being reminded a few days ago?

 

[Goldenstar]

AHAHAHAHA!!!

Can you tell that I'm pissed off that the local hunt has once again gone onto land that they have been told not to, despite being reminded a few days ago?

No I thought you where asking a question you wanted an answer to .
Contact the secretary of the hunt and complain .
If you own the sporting rights to the land you can stop them .

 

[pixie]

I'm sorry, but if they are told by the landowners that they are not welcome, then they should not be on the property. I'm not sure what complaining to the hunt secretary would help? From experience, all it would result in would be an empty apology, and then they'll just do it again in the future. Probably alternate to another neighbour's property (again) next year before returning to ours.

Not to mention the foul and abusive language received from followers when asked to leave.

 

[Goldenstar]

I'm sorry, but if they are told by the landowners that they are not welcome, then they should not be on the property. I'm not sure what complaining to the hunt secretary would help? From experience, all it would result in would be an empty apology, and then they'll just do it again in the future. Probably alternate to another neighbour's property (again) next year before returning to ours.

Not to mention the foul and abusive language received from followers when asked to leave.

Then just enjoy your rant .

 

[pixie]

And that is the hunt attitude, isn't it? You just don't care. No wonder your numbers of supporters are falling.

 

[ycbm]

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/d...iscrimination/taking-action-about-harassment/

Repeat offences are harassment and you can take out a civil injunction to prevent them doing it again. If they break the injunction they then commit a criminal offence and can be prosecuted.

 

[Orca]

I'm sorry, but if they are told by the landowners that they are not welcome, then they should not be on the property. I'm not sure what complaining to the hunt secretary would help? From experience, all it would result in would be an empty apology, and then they'll just do it again in the future. Probably alternate to another neighbour's property (again) next year before returning to ours.

Not to mention the foul and abusive language received from followers when asked to leave.

Have you reported them for trespass (and criminal damage, if they have caused any) and for their aggressive behaviour? I wouldn't bother with the secretary of you've been ignored before. They should absolutely not be where they have no permission to be.

 

[Judgemental]

Anybody who rides through a field with loose horses, especially horses they don't know and horses that don't know those coming through the field, are complete and total idiots and fools. Also horses that are 'wired' because of the hounds and horn.

We have one particular horse who would automatically give any strange horse 'both barrels' and any horse that is being ridden, cannot take evasive action as it would do when loose.

Stupid stupid of the greatest magnitude.

Frankly any Field Master who took the Field through loose horses and somebody was kicked, that Field Master should be sued for every thing she or he is worth.

 

[popsdosh]

Judgemental I dont think that was the case in point.

If its private land and they have been told, it is tresspass and can be dealt with by way of an injunction which will be easy to obtain once you have that any person breaking it can be arrested immediately by the police.
However if there is any right of way you wont be able to stop them.
Another way maybe if they always take the same route put signs up as a reminder as in the heat of a day some field masters can get forgetful. I wouldnt be calling the secretary I would call the senior master.
However I suspect theres a little more to this !

 

[Goldenstar]

And that is the hunt attitude, isn't it? You just don't care. No wonder your numbers of supporters are falling.

Are you addressing that to me ?
If so it's a bit like blaming me for people who speed just because I have a car .
I can only speak for the hunt who we hunt with and they take enormous care to make sure they don't go where they have no permission .
We also have no issue with follower numbers .
I just find these stories so alien to how it works round here .

 

[Judgemental]

Judgemental I dont think that was the case in point.

If its private land and they have been told, it is tresspass and can be dealt with by way of an injunction which will be easy to obtain once you have that any person breaking it can be arrested immediately by the police.
However if there is any right of way you wont be able to stop them.
Another way maybe if they always take the same route put signs up as a reminder as in the heat of a day some field masters can get forgetful. I wouldnt be calling the secretary I would call the senior master.
However I suspect theres a little more to this !

Tresspass, Injunction, Private Land, Rights of Way.

Don't be ridiculous, one simply does not ride through loose horses.

I know there are some people who post on this forum who regard their horses as anthropomorphic, however I would be interested to know of any horse that understands issues of 'rights of way' as it gives the nearest ridden horse passing through the field a good kicking.

 

[popsdosh]

Tresspass, Injunction, Private Land, Rights of Way.

Don't be ridiculous, one simply does not ride through loose horses.

I know there are some people who post on this forum who regard their horses as anthropomorphic, however I would be interested to know of any horse that understands issues of 'rights of way' as it gives the nearest ridden horse passing through the field a good kicking.

But nowhere has the OP stated they were riding through loose horses . I merely assumed you had maybe not read it correctly . The op is merely trying to reinforce the fact they do not want the hunt on their land ,in which case the legal route is a logical one if the Hunt ignores them.

 

[Doormouse]

And if you were riding alongside the fields where the horses were going mental, would that feel ok? Would you presume that the owners are ok with it, or something else?

I have experienced this the other way round in that our local hunt came past our field with our youngsters in that were going spare (I hadn't been told they would be in the area) and I must admit that I would have appreciated it if the 'field' could have just walked the length of my field as opposed to galloped but these things happen I guess.

 

[Doormouse]

Then just enjoy your rant .

Hang on a minute, that was a little unfair. I have been hearing recently far too many reports such as this and have even experienced it first hand (my land lord has a shoot and therefore asks that they do not hunt on the land during the shooting season). I have hunted all my life and am a staunch supporter but I am concerned that too many packs are being gung ho about this and not making the effort to stay off land that they have been asked not to go on. I don't know if this is because many hunts now have quite a few masters and the messages are getting lost in translation or if they are just genuinely not bothering. If it is the latter then I am very sad especially at a time that hunting needs good publicity not bad.

I appreciate that when people ask a pack not come on their land it can often be very frustrating but I have always believed that one should apply the principle 'softly, softly' and if you respect peoples wishes the first time you can go back and ask again another time, simply asking if just hounds and the hunt staff can cross.

 

[pixie]

Yes, as well as horses, we also have a shoot on the land. *I* don't even ride on the areas of the farm where the pheasants are during shooting season (and liveries are not allowed at any time of year). Yet yesterday the hunt just went straight through our woodlands, right next to where some of the pheasant pens and feeders are.

 

[EQUIDAE]

There's not really any excuse for it 'in the heat of the moment' when trails are now laid. Surely if you are following a preplanned trail there is no risk of this happening?

 

[Doormouse]

Yes, as well as horses, we also have a shoot on the land. *I* don't even ride on the areas of the farm where the pheasants are during shooting season (and liveries are not allowed at any time of year). Yet yesterday the hunt just went straight through our woodlands, right next to where some of the pheasant pens and feeders are.

I have the same thing, I never ride down the back track from when the pheasants are first put down until the end of the season. Fair enough, my land lord pays a lot of money to have his shoot and there is no need for me to disturb the pheasants.

 

[Doormouse]

There's not really any excuse for it 'in the heat of the moment' when trails are now laid. Surely if you are following a preplanned trail there is no risk of this happening?

This is a tricky one because the trails are laid early in the day and as with any scent (laid or moving animal) the weather, ground conditions etc do have an affect on it. For instance if the wind is strong, the scent may have blown some way off course and hounds following it might end up in the wrong place. To make hunting as realistic for hounds and the field as possible without chasing a live quarry, no one except the trail layer or the human for blood hounds, knows where the trail goes and so often should a scent have blown off the original course, the huntsman is not necessarily going to be aware of this. However, he should know where he is allowed and where he is not and should hounds find themselves on land they have been asked not to go on then the huntsman should collect them as quickly as possible and try and find the true trail.

 

[Orca]

Hang on a minute, that was a little unfair. I have been hearing recently far too many reports such as this and have even experienced it first hand (my land lord has a shoot and therefore asks that they do not hunt on the land during the shooting season). I have hunted all my life and am a staunch supporter but I am concerned that too many packs are being gung ho about this and not making the effort to stay off land that they have been asked not to go on. I don't know if this is because many hunts now have quite a few masters and the messages are getting lost in translation or if they are just genuinely not bothering. If it is the latter then I am very sad especially at a time that hunting needs good publicity not bad.

I appreciate that when people ask a pack not come on their land it can often be very frustrating but I have always believed that one should apply the principle 'softly, softly' and if you respect peoples wishes the first time you can go back and ask again another time, simply asking if just hounds and the hunt staff can cross.

Well said. I don't hunt but it's refreshing to hear the voice of reason from someone who does. Closing ranks and defending poor behaviour isn't the way forwards.

 

[pixie]

I agree, I am pleasantly surprised by Doormouse's response. I'm sure that if more hunt people had this attitude then they would have more support, especially from landowners.

 

[Alec Swan]

Would you expect the horses to have been stabled? What would you think if they were in the fields going ballistic while you rode past?

Tell me this; If a local riding school or trekking centre were to pass your horses, and your horses went 'ballistic' (your word!), would you still be as annoyed as you seem to be? We often have others ride past our paddocked horses, then ours often fly about, tails in the air and have a bit of a yea-hah. No harm has ever been done.

Why not turn up at the next meet, avail yourself of good fun and good company, and enjoy yourself? Reading your further thoughts, I'm left with the impression that you'd prefer a good whinge. Sorry, but that's just the impression that you give.

Alec.

 

[Fiona]

Lots of horses pass my field Alec, from neightbours hacking to driving horses, and our two mares never do more than jog to the gate to get a better view.

The last two times we had the hunt pass though..... Horses jumped out over a metal gate (with electric offset) and galloped loose down the road crossing main road before they were caught. Perhaps this is because they have both previously hunted, but certainly completely different scenarios.

I do feel its common courtesy for the hunt to notify farmers and landowners in the area they are going to cross, so they can make arrangements for their stock. Then most likely everyone will be happy..

Fiona

 

[Orca]

Tell me this; If a local riding school or trekking centre were to pass your horses, and your horses went 'ballistic' (your word!), would you still be as annoyed as you seem to be? We often have others ride past our paddocked horses, then ours often fly about, tails in the air and have a bit of a yea-hah. No harm has ever been done.

Why not turn up at the next meet, avail yourself of good fun and good company, and enjoy yourself? Reading your further thoughts, I'm left with the impression that you'd prefer a good whinge. Sorry, but that's just the impression that you give.

Alec.

To be fair, most (if not all) other rider groups have the sense and decency to stay off of private land unless invited.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Would you expect the horses to have been stabled? What would you think if they were in the fields going ballistic while you rode past?

Whilst I think that it is crazy to keep horses turned out when the hunt are around, plenty of other owners don't seem to get fussed, so my answer to the question 'Would you expect them to be stabled?' is 'Not necessarily'.

The issue of trespass is the more pressing one. If this pack are repeat offenders, I would definitely go down the legal route, as suggested by other posters.