Hunt Haters

[Silent Knight]

I must say that I am suprised how many people on a 'Horse & Hound' forum are anti hunt.

Personaly I wouldn't kill any animal for fun, but that doesn't give me the right to tell other people ie. total strangers what they should or should not be doing.

Live hunting has already been banned. you got what you wanted.

A message for the outraged......Drag hunts will have an ocassional accident. There are horse forums avalible that do not support riding with hounds. May be you will feel more comfortable there.

 

[arizonahoney]

But the aniseed is so victimised! I am outraged, damnit!

 

[rhino]

that doesn't give me the right to tell other people ie. total strangers what they should or should not be doing.

You say this in one breath and the next you have the 'right' to suggest people should find another forum to use... I don't see where in the t&c's you need to be pro-hunt.

If you don't like other people's views being offered, then perhaps this isn't the forum for you?

*awaits being accused of being anti-hunting*

 

[FionaM12]

I'm guessing you're talking about the thread re the cat being killed? I haven't read it, but saw the title and thought it might be an upsetting/unpleasant thread so left it alone

I've always been in the "anti" camp, but I don't engage in arguements about it and respect others' points of view. I don't have a go at friends who choose to hunt.

My point is, being a horse rider doesn't mean you're in favour of hunting. Nor does being anti-hunt mean you're a trouble maker.

 

[Kaylum]

I must say that I am suprised how many people on a 'Horse & Hound' forum are anti hunt.

Personaly I wouldn't kill any animal for fun, but that doesn't give me the right to tell other people ie. total strangers what they should or should not be doing. Live hunting has already been banned. you got what you want.

Whoops! LOL! Re-read your post.

 

[lochpearl]

but then there is another category - me! I don't like hunting, I have been in my younger days but although the riding was fabulous I personally don't like 'hunting'. However I have some very good friends in Hunting who work for some of the top hunting families, my best friends hunt and they all thoroughly enjoy it. I don't think that it is anyone's place to force their opinions on anyone. I don't like it so I stay away, but I would certainly not preach to my friends or any other huntsmen as it is only my view. It also tho, goes both ways when the hunters try and change everyone's views.

 

[Silent Knight]

You say this in one breath and the next you have the 'right' to suggest people should find another forum to use... I don't see where in the t&c's you need to be pro-hunt.

If you don't like other people's views being offered, then perhaps this isn't the forum for you?

*awaits being accused of being anti-hunting*

My concern is for the emotional wellbeing of some obvously distressed users

 

[Silent Knight]

Whoops! LOL! Re-read your post.

You should read the post properly. I have not told anyone to do or not do anything

 

[AmyMay]

A message for the outraged......Drag hunts will have an ocassional accident. There are horse forums avalible that do not support riding with hounds. May be you will feel more comfortable there.

I'm not anti hunt in the slightest - used to love my hunting.

But, as I said in the other post - if the huntsman is not in control of his hounds he should not be hunting them - it's as simple as that.

And yes there may be the occasional accident - however, it doesn't make it acceptable.

The issue of control is paramount in today's society, as hunting live quary with hounds is outlawed. Therefore if the hounds do pick up the scent of a fox, and even go so far as to corner one, the huntsman must be able to act swiftly to prevent the hounds from killing it. If they don't they are breaking the law and liable for prosecution.

Most hunts operate professionally and with consideration. However, several don't and are a law unto themselves.

 

[FionaM12]

I'm not anti hunt in the slightest - used to love my hunting.

But, as I said in the other post - if the huntsman is not in control of his hounds he should not be hunting them - it's as simple as that.

And yes there may be the occasional accident - however, it doesn't make it acceptable.

The issue of control is paramount in today's society, as hunting live quary with hounds is outlawed. Therefore if the hounds do pick up the scent of a fox, and even go so far as to corner one, the huntsman must be able to act swiftly to prevent the hounds from killing it. If they don't they are breaking the law and liable for prosecution.

Most hunts operate professionally and with consideration. However, several don't and are a law unto themselves.

Very sensible post.

 

[HarlequinSeren]

Totally agree with Amymay. Control is paramount like I said in my (rather long) post on the cat thread. I have hunted in the past, and while the ride was great I have since decided not to participate again. However I would not force my opinion on others in any way. Nor do I have a problem with people who hunt - it is their choice to do it, just as it is mine not to. What I do have a problem with though is if there is a lack of control. If a dog owner cannot control their dog they should not allow it off the lead. Why is it any different if a pack of hounds cannot be controlled well enough by the huntsmen? If they cannot call them off a chase then they need to be trained better IMHO. As I have said in my post on the cat thread, my property backs onto land which the hunt sometimes rides across. The hounds are not allowed onto my land because they upset the animals. However they do sometimes come through the hedge and the huntsmen seem to have trouble calling them back. I also get no warning that they will be passing. I think that while some hunts have really good control over the hounds and have good manners warning the local residents that they will be passing, some really do leave a lot to be desired.
HS x

 

[AmyMay]

I also get no warning that they will be passing

Well no you won't. But presumably you phone up to get a hunt card so that you have an idea of the location they will be hunting in during the season??

 

[wattamus]

I will admit that I am totally anti- hunting, well in the respect that i would never go on a live hunt, I would've loved to go on a drag hunt as i believe my girly would have been a brilliant hunter, and then I would be able to have a wail of a time without feeling guilty about an animal loosing it's life
However the hunt round us (not going to name) regulary goes out and kills at least one fox every meet and i was once told that the Huntmaster actually flushed the fox out for the dogs to get. I get this information from a girl who actually goes hunting every week and has a very speedy pony that is always at the front. It makes me sad when she tells me with such joy that they "got one" but I don't express my opinion of it to her as I think it is very imortant to respect everyone's opinions and values unless they cause hurt to other beings and are "inhumane". People should have the right to express their opinions but have the sense and decency to know when they are not wanted or appreciated.

 

[MerrySherryRider]

Whenever a hunt is found to have made a mistake or behaved wrongly, we get a hysterical knee jerk reaction from some for whom all hunts are beyond reproach.

We constantly get organisations such as the BHS, BD, BE, RSPCA being routinely criticised and this is healthy debate.

Not to be able to criticise a hunt or hunt staff under any circumstances is not good for the future of the sport.

Many posters on the cat thread qualified their viewpoint by stating they were not anti hunt, yet the rabid hunt die hards accussed them of being just that.

BTW, HHO is not a hunting forum, it has a sub forum for hunting. Just wondering why now it has a dog rather than hound section.

 

[Marydoll]

You say this in one breath and the next you have the 'right' to suggest people should find another forum to use... I don't see where in the t&c's you need to be pro-hunt.

If you don't like other people's views being offered, then perhaps this isn't the forum for you?

*awaits being accused of being anti-hunting*

^^^^^ agreed

 

[Marydoll]

Very sensible post.

^^^^^ agreed

 

[MagicMelon]

I'm anti-hunting and I've been a long term forum member. I dont buy H&H ever, but I dont see whats wrong with using this forum (which happens to be the biggest I think). I simply dont venture into the hunting board, there's no point since the vast majority on here are clearly going to be pro's.

Thankfully up here we dont have hunting or that would drive me nuts.

 

[PaddyMonty]

May be you will feel more comfortable there.

Any you may feel more confortable on a forum where the view you must hold is given to you.
So....Jog on kitty!

 

[HarlequinSeren]

Amymay, I know when the meets are, but there's been a few times when meets several miles away that you really wouldnt have thought would come so far have come past. There are more local meets though so obviously I am aware when they will be nearby then
HS x

 

[Marydoll]

I dont feel many of the posters were anti hunt, i was one of the concerned posters, not "outraged" as you try to put it.
I Wont repeat here what ive said on the other thread, if others want to read my opinions theyre there to see.
I do howerver take issue with you suggesting that because my opinion apparantly differs from yours, i should leave the forum ! How obnoxious of you.
Debate is what makes this and any other forum interesting, and yes, sometimes it can get heated, where peoples opinions differ, but EVERYONE has the right to air their views.

 

[lula]

Any you may feel more confortable on a forum where the view you must hold is given to you.
So....Jog on kitty!

this.
isnt it a bit cheeky to act as a self appointed forum administrator suggesting that certain people should perhaps take themselves off to another forum as their views cant be accomodated here?

i think there's room for everyone . The Lounge forum isnt pro hunting and because you obviously are doesnt mean that people with the opposite view should be told to go somewhere else
Differing opinions often produce healthy and yes..sometimes heated debate but i dont see that as a bad thing. It would be a boring world if we all thought the same way and no one had any opposing views to express and explore, no?

Personally im not anti at all. Ive hunted and worked as a hunt groom for several seasons many moons ago. I would never vote anti but that doesnt stop me seeing both sides of an argument as long as its valid.

 

[Wagtail]

but then there is another category - me! I don't like hunting, I have been in my younger days but although the riding was fabulous I personally don't like 'hunting'. However I have some very good friends in Hunting who work for some of the top hunting families, my best friends hunt and they all thoroughly enjoy it. I don't think that it is anyone's place to force their opinions on anyone. I don't like it so I stay away, but I would certainly not preach to my friends or any other huntsmen as it is only my view. It also tho, goes both ways when the hunters try and change everyone's views.

^^This.

I used to hunt and really enjoyed it, but then decided I really didn't like the end result. Same as giving up meat really. I loved eating it but couldn't bear the way it was farmed, transported and killed. But I never preach to others regarding my choice not to hunt and not to eat meat, as the things we do are between us and our conscience. Surprisingly, the thing that finally stopped me hunting was buying our own land. I couldn't for the life of me justify going out killing foxes, when the biggest pest to me and to my horses were rabbits!

 

[Mare Stare]

I'm not anti hunt. I've never been to a hunt. One day I might go but it would be for the thrill of the ride not for the kill.

I'm not sure how I feel about the killing part. My hubby shoots and I gut and pluck his kills (we eat them so the deaths are not in vain). I don't think I could ever kill anything with my own hands but I don't have a problem with other people doing.

However, as I have never seen a fox killed by hounds I can't really comment. I've seen the destruction foxes cause when they get into chicken coops though.

 

[debsey1]

I love hunting, you get to ride across countryside you normally wouldn't have access too We ride mainly on farmland that we have permission to do so and we respect the land by riding round the perimeter.

We live in a rural small community and most residences know when The Hunt is on (usually 3 times a week in season) so they can make sure their cats, dogs or horses are in and are supportive.

The hounds are brilliant, so well behaved. Now and again we might lose one or two but the pack always come together again before going home.

The Hunt have been excellent at coming out quickly if you have a carcass that needs disposing of as law says you can't bury livestock on your own land.

Huntsman/women are not all 'hoity toity' just ordinary folk that wants to enjoy a days hunting (drag) or sometimes a fox maybe 'flushed' out then shot humanly.

 

[Queenbee]

But the aniseed is so victimised! I am outraged, damnit!

PMSL

Whenever a hunt is found to have made a mistake or behaved wrongly, we get a hysterical knee jerk reaction from some for whom all hunts are beyond reproach.

We constantly get organisations such as the BHS, BD, BE, RSPCA being routinely criticised and this is healthy debate.

Not to be able to criticise a hunt or hunt staff under any circumstances is not good for the future of the sport.

Many posters on the cat thread qualified their viewpoint by stating they were not anti hunt, yet the rabid hunt die hards accussed them of being just that.

BTW, HHO is not a hunting forum, it has a sub forum for hunting. Just wondering why now it has a dog rather than hound section.

This is the horsey world, you will find it hard to criticise anyone without someone's hysterical knee jerk reaction, 'constructive' criticism is good, but vilification of someone because you do not share their beliefs uncalled for on either side. I think using words such as 'rabid' and in other cases 'blood thirsty' actually makes a posters argument weak, it portrays a very narrow minded and blinkered view of the world. I believe it is all very well and good to have your standpoint in things (whatever that may be), but a standpoint should always be well informed and open-minded and arguments well executed to resort to such words as 'rabid' just makes people close their ears to what the poster has to say.

For the record: Pro hunt, but was not always, I took the time to actually 'look into it and see things from many different viewpoints before making a considered opinion'

I do not think that there is anyone who does not 'sympathise' with the owners loss of their cat. But it could just has easily have been a car or a domestic dog, tomorrow the hunt may manage to call the hounds off a cat in time...


Please people do not forget, we are always saying on this forum how we should never forget that horses are wild animals at heart with flight reactions and to beware of this, because one day they could spook... they have instinct and a mind of their own...

So do dogs/ domestic/ wild/hounds/ they all have an instinct and a base nature... for the most part the huntsman does control the hounds, but as amymay said there must be a certain level of acceptance that accidents will happen... no matter how sad.

 

[Silent Knight]

I dont feel many of the posters were anti hunt, i was one of the concerned posters, not "outraged" as you try to put it.
I Wont repeat here what ive said on the other thread, if others want to read my opinions theyre there to see.
I do howerver take issue with you suggesting that because my opinion apparantly differs from yours, i should leave the forum ! How obnoxious of you.
Debate is what makes this and any other forum interesting, and yes, sometimes it can get heated, where peoples opinions differ, but EVERYONE has the right to air their views.

And breathe...... No one has been told to go anywhere. Whether you think I am obnoxious or not is irrelivent to me. You don't even know my opinion on Hunting. I haven't told you.

 

[Queenbee]

Trying to split people into camps and segregate them has never been a good idea in history

 

[Noodlebug]

I am anti-hunting and always have been, however I know a lot of people that do and that's fine if that's what they get their kicks out of.

As for the cat, I didn't read the post but assume it was killed by the hounds; it is a death of someones pet that shouldn't of happened. Yes it could of been run over by a car but that is not really the point.

I have to say that the hunt unload from our yard sometimes and the people on the hunt don't help themselves as most are a bunch of rude to**ers that leave horse s**t everywhere and can barely acknowledge us! But that is just my opinion of course

 

[PaddyMonty]

And breathe...... No one has been told to go anywhere. Whether you think I am obnoxious or not is irrelivent to me. You don't even know my opinion on Hunting. I haven't told you.

If you truly believe your origonal post does not point to your view on hunting or that it implies those that do not support hunting should seek another forum then you are deluding yourself. As I said, jog on kitty. Tis the season of goodwill, not trolls. Next troll season is around Easter.

 

[Silent Knight]

If you truly believe your origonal post does not point to your view on hunting or that it implies those that do not support hunting should seek another forum then you are deluding yourself. As I said, jog on kitty. Tis the season of goodwill, not trolls. Next troll season is around Easter.

I'm not a troll I'm to OP