Hunt in France 2010 with FREEDOM

Simsar said:
Semi veggie wait for it. xxx
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not really Simsar-being married to a welsh meat eater, lol, he eats anything and everything meatwise. I'm fussy about my beef,pork,mutton, dont like lamb- too pappy-and love liver and chicken, also pheasant as long as it hasn't been hung for too long!!!Am i about to start a debate, oh goodie!!!
 
No was waiting for other reponses not you Rosie.

I love veal but that will start another, but absolute favourite is calves liver mash and onion gravy. Off to cupboard and fridge LOL!
 
rosiefronfelen said:
oh dear, i hate veal, poor babies- i must be a hopeless farmers wife!
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Agh Roise don't worry about it! I couldn't even handle raw meat or carve a carcus - actually still can't do the carving bit but can jsut about do the dead bit as long as there are no bones.

I too am waiting for us to get lambasted as fluffy bunny balaclava wearing sabs! Hey ho!

I love venison but its so rich I can only eat tiny little amounts! We have the most fantastic butchers near us. The puppies used to get liver cooked up for them every day but they knew that I couldn't cope with chopping it up so they would measure it out and get each days worth ready for me in a bag then I wouldn't have to touch it! They would also look out for me and bring it out so I didn't have to go in and smell the rest of the meat!! They are amazing in there!
 
Simsar said:
I love veal but that will start another...
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Partial to a bit of veal myself, and I wouldn't turn my nose up to pâté de foie gras either.

It's not popular to confess but, I have no qualms (nor morals according to some, I dare say) when it comes to food I'm afraid. Not exactly a gourmand, my wallet wouldn't stretch that far, but not far off over the years. ;)
 
I will try anything to see if I like it, just a bit squemish when it comes to dead things! I blame my parents for allowing me to eat Monty. Mind we all went veggie for a while after that!!! There is somethings about eating your beloved pet that you saved from the brink of death that well just doesn't really sit well with my stomach even if he was very yummy!

I also don't like the way some foods feel in your mouth. I have a friend who can't eat anything "bouncy". If its going to ounce in her mouth she just can't do it mushrooms included!
 
Judgemental said:
If calling or suggestign somebody an Anti if they disagree with me is not in my world an insult.

If anybody who supports the cause feels insulted in any way I would unreservedly apologise.
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Good! You can start, then, by apologising to me! Because I am definitely NOT an anti - and I disagree with you so regularly now it's becoming monotonous!

(Oh - and just for the record - I didn't work for the BFSS just in a 'professional' capacity - I started as a volunteer - for BELIEF in the cause and would have continued as a volunteer if I hadn't been offered the opportunity to do more good as an 'official' spokesman.)

I don't doubt your passion - but it was passionate idiots (on our side) who made it SO easy for the antis to get public support! People who were SO convinced they were right that they ignored the writing on the wall until it was too late; people who insulted those who had genuinely held beliefs that hunting was 'cruel' - rather than trying to educate them in a courteous and sensible manner; people who invoked STUPID arguments - that were an embarrassment to those of us trying to educate the general public and the media!

And yes, I have friends (and relatives) who are anti. Many of them I have managed to move - to either ambivalent - or pro - with INTELLIGENT argument! (Including a couple of formerly very active antis!)

On THIS forum, JM, I think you've probably turned at least a few 'uncommitted' into antis by your arrogance and tasteless arguments! If you REALLY care about hunting, think on this! Some in-depth research carried out by the BFSS in the '90s revealed that the ONLY urban residents who weren't 'anti' were people who knew someone who hunted and LIKED that person! You don't come over here as very likeable!
 
JanetGeorge said:
On THIS forum, JM, I think you've probably turned at least a few 'uncommitted' into antis by your arrogance and tasteless arguments! If you REALLY care about hunting, think on this! Some in-depth research carried out by the BFSS in the '90s revealed that the ONLY urban residents who weren't 'anti' were people who knew someone who hunted and LIKED that person! You don't come over here as very likeable!
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Hear, hear!
 
JimMoriarty said:
Hear, hear!
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And so say all of us!

I hope you get a VERY PUBLIC apology Janet! Along with all the others who had to suffer the tirade of insults! It was very embarrassing for many!

Your reasoned arguement is fantastic and I have always enjoyed reading your posts. You have been both informative and committed. Wish there were more of you in this world!
 
Paddydou said:
I will try anything to see if I like it, just a bit squemish when it comes to dead things! I blame my parents for allowing me to eat Monty. Mind we all went veggie for a while after that!!! There is somethings about eating your beloved pet that you saved from the brink of death that well just doesn't really sit well with my stomach even if he was very yummy!
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A little story for you.........

Back in 2007 we decided to buy and rear a Gloucester Old Spot piglet for ourselves to help keep us in meat over the winter. We went to our local breeder who had one ''Dolly'' (runt) left for sale. We decided to take her and after all the relevant DEFRA forms we popped her in the back of the van and took her home.

We had set aside a stable in the old barn and fenced off an area outside the barn for her to her to root around in. ''Dolly'' quickly settled in to her routine of in at night out during the day and was great fun, oinking away every time we went round to see her constantly looking for feed. At the time one of the liveries on the yard worked at the local pub and she put a bucket in the kitchen for veg scraps and beer slop which she thoroughly enjoyed!!

When the day came for ''the chop'' we had decided to have it done at home so as to cause minimal stress to her, we had a local friend come out to shoot her, we had got her used to being moved around with a pig bored and stick so she thought nothing of the rifle, after the job was done we hung, bled and butchered her ourselves (Sarah's dad came and helped as he used to be a butcher). There was no bad feelings when it came to the job as we knew we had given her the best life possible and the time she had had was as care free as it could have been.

We made Pate from her livers and tried desperately hard not to waste any of her, anything we weren't sure about the dogs and cat had. That winter we ate so well and everybody that came round for dinner said it was the best pork they had ever had, her meat had an almost game flavour and a rich colour to it, and we can only put this down to her not having any commercial feed and living a happy and healthy life.

We will do it again very soon (did buy a lamb to try it with last year but my boss has claimed it as a pet!) and maybe Pads you could come round for tea and we could convert you to proper meat. We also buy whole deer carcass, rabbit, pheasant etc from the local guns to help keep us, it's so much cheaper than the Butchers and fresher. :)
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Simsar said:
We will do it again very soon (did buy a lamb to try it with last year but my boss has claimed it as a pet!) and maybe Pads you could come round for tea and we could convert you to proper meat. :)
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Dolly sounds yummy!!!

I am happy with eating meat as long as I haven't formed an attachment to it in the first place! Monty was sublime and you really have never tasted anything quite like it!

I am just squeemish! Freely admit to being a total woose! Is the invite to supper still open though?!?!? :D

I am afriad that Dolly would have still been with us if it had been me! Even my chooks are spoilt rotten and don't they know it! One will peck me if I don't give her enough attention and a couple of them are still sulking that they haven't had a cooked breakfast for the past couple of days!!! I am a hopeless farmers daughter I freely admit it! The calves that have been served up, my grandfathers pigs, lambs, chickens... I feel not a shred of guilt until I realise I was scratching their backs not so long ago!!! You should meet my Granny - she is a veggie but a hardened one and is quite happy to take the knife out, break a neck etc. I have to call on Dad or my brother and even then they hate doing it... Wimps I know!

Home reared meat is so much nicer though isn't it. Everyone goes mad for my eggs and you really can tell the difference in the taste. It has so much more flavour and taste to it... My stomach is rumbling and making me feel guilty!
 
Have you ever noticed, how, when one is juggling some biscuit in the grass yard, all the bitches are the one's who are the most attentive? Dog hounds are shall we say, a little more detached.

I see there are individuals seeking personal apologies. In any war zone there is always collateral damage and in this civil war, the higher the profile, the more likely there is to be 'accidents' and especially those from friendly fire.

Now back to the front; namely hunting in France, is carried on without let or hindrance by any government interference or Gestapo like organisations.

The French are members of the EU and are governed by the same laws that are disseminated to us by Brussels.

Seemingly we are leaping out of bed militarily with the Americans and jumping into bed with French who are going to provide our naval carrier support.

It is my sincere belief that the fulcrum upon a complete repeal of the Hunting Act 2004, should be based upon a par with our French allies, who have the good sence to encourage hunting.

I believe President Sarkosy and his wife enjoy and are keen supporters of La Chasse.
 
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Judgemental said:
Have you ever noticed, how, when one is juggling some biscuit in the grass yard, all the bitches are the one's who are the most attentive? Dog hounds are shall we say, a little more detached.

I see there are individuals seeking personal apologies. In any war zone there is always collateral damage and in this civil war, the higher the profile, the more likely there is to be 'accidents' and especially those from friendly fire.
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Thats because dog hounds have a tendancy to be more forthright with their bite than the bitches...

So you consider an arguement you started to be the equivilent of a war? No JM this is not like that. You can be grumpy yes, but to say the things you did then liken it to such situations is crass behaviour. Something I have come to expect. To say that you don't need to apologise for your inapropriate behaviour - pompus again as I have come to expect... Grow up at some point will you!

Yawn.
 
Judgemental said:
Then the powers that be should get off their backsides and have the Hunting Act 2004 repealed and such as myself will shut up.
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Then sort your attitude out and help them get it repealed rather than throw your teddies out of the pram and cause a whole load of uneccessary bad feeling!
 
Has it ever occurred to anyone, that those who are opposed to hunting, are united, and that those of us who are all for the reinstatement of an honourable, worthwhile and valued country pursuit, aren't?

Whilst it isn't my place to decide which posts have been acceptable, and which haven't, I have to say J_M, that your views, posted on a public forum, have done little to promote Hunting. You've also been offered the opportunity to apologise to those who you've offended. An opportunity which you've failed to take. You have done nothing to promote hunting, indeed you are doing our time honoured sport a grave disservice.

Your rather strange parallels between Hitler and Blair, for instance, would be considered by most, to be a trifle whacky, at the very least. By such arguments, you are supplying the Antis with all the evidence which they need to convince those who would make the decisions which affect us all, that those who hunt are everything which is undesirable in a person of rural bent.

The repeal of the Hunting Act will only come about by a reasoned, courteous, factual and well presented case. I would hope that you will consider my thoughts, and perhaps "sleep" on your further posts, before sending them.

Alec.
 
Paddydou said:
Then sort your attitude out and help them get it repealed rather than throw your teddies out of the pram and cause a whole load of uneccessary bad feeling!
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Paddy I say with complete honesty, I have, believe me I have, but they don't listen or if they do, they don't act, or if they do, it's not with any alacrity. I for one, am fed up with spending a fortune to go for a hack round the countryside!

Alec I see what you said, a number of MPs were voted for on the hunting ticket, now is the time for them to deliver!
 
a number of MPs were voted for on the hunting ticket, now is the time for them to deliver!
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With all due respect, with the country in the state it is, they have far more important things to worry about.
 
amymay said:
With all due respect, with the country in the state it is, they have far more important things to worry about.
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What due respect, Tony Blair and his Gestapo did not have any respect for hunting, the people and the way of life and he has now said so! His deputy Lord Prescott was content to smash a pro-hunt supporter physically in the face. It is therefore a very important matter to a number of people. May be not the majority, nevertheless there is a section of society who has been marginalised by state legislature. The leader of the party that enacted the Hunting Act 2004 has now said publically and in his recent book, he did not understand the issues but he does now and realises the legislation has to be repealed.

How long do we have to wait?

Respect, there was and is no respect!
 
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JimMoriarty said:
Really? I must have missed that. Do tell...
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It was a bit of a hoo-haa!:rolleyes: Said hunting supporter threw an egg at 2 Jags Prescott - which hit its target. 2-Jags promptly punched hunt supporter in face. Neither side won! Hunt supporter was in the wrong - not least because he was a burly lad less than half 2-Jags' age. (If I'd have set that up I would have wanted a 70 year old lady with a walking stick throwing the egg! :D) And 2-Jags proved he was an a*se (but we knew that anyway!)
 
Mrs. George(!),

with respect, I don't agree. That awful buffoon, Prescot was surrounded by BGs and police. He didn't have to react as he did. Had that been you, or me, we'd have ended up in Court, and been charged with assault. He wasn't defending himself, the attack was over.

We'll never know, of course, but I wonder if he'd have hit an elderly lady. Probably, is the answer to that!! A revolting man, by any standards.

Alec.
 
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