Hunt Sabs animal lovers?? Don't think so!

perfect11s said:
I think you will find very little of the anti is about animal welfare and all about class war and anarchism!! they are the same rentamob, unwashed dredlocked crustys and troublemakeing scum that are
seen at all sorts of protests sad little people who need anger managment or leathal injection or alleast their benifit cheques stopping :D
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I don't know any active hunt sabs, so I don't know if your description is fair.

However I'm an "anti" in as much as I disagree with hunting and was glad when the ban came in. But I don't resemble your colourful description at all. :-)
 
FionaM12 said:
I don't know any active hunt sabs, so I don't know if your description is fair.

However I'm an "anti" in as much as I disagree with hunting and was glad when the ban came in. But I don't resemble your colourful description at all. :-)
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^^^^this^^^^ Not a dreadlock in sight.......!! ;)
 
FionaM12 said:
I don't know any active hunt sabs, so I don't know if your description is fair.

However I'm an "anti" in as much as I disagree with hunting and was glad when the ban came in. But I don't resemble your colourful description at all. :-)
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Before we all go off on one throwing around generalisations, I think the previous poster was referring to those that she has seen disrupting hunt activities regardless of legality, rather than anyone who is anti-hunt. Perhaps we need to be a bit more specific?

It cannot be ignored that there is some 'class' agenda with certain antis even though some of them probably have a more middle/upper class upbringing than many of us who hunt!
 
FionaM12 said:
I don't know any active hunt sabs, so I don't know if your description is fair.

However I'm an "anti" in as much as I disagree with hunting and was glad when the ban came in. But I don't resemble your colourful description at all. :-)
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Surely you see it very low down the scale in terms of animal welfare??? Im not a hunting person but love to see them out, the tradition and the consevation that goes hand in hand with country sports
is very positive and good for free thinking people and holding rural comunitys together, I think the anti lot have done a good job on promoting there "cause" to the hard of thinking and little for animal welfare ....
 
Oohh I saw this article earlier today, proper peed me off, so called animal lovers, my arse!!
Can't quote on my phone but totally agree with whoever said they should have their benefits stopped, lmso!

It's nothing to do with animals and all about what they perceive as a "toff" sport.

A FOAF's granny had her kneecap smashed while she was mounted, by a sab with a shovel. In what world is it not acceptable to chase a fox but it's ok to beat up grannies!!

Just mindless thugs out to enjoy causing some trouble.
 
perfect11s said:
Surely you see it very low down the scale in terms of animal welfare??? Im not a hunting person but love to see them out, the tradition and the consevation that goes hand in hand with country sports
is very positive and good for free thinking people and holding rural comunitys together, I think the anti lot have done a good job on promoting there "cause" to the hard of thinking and little for animal welfare ....
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I don't actually want to get into a debate about hunting please! I've debated it many times over my lifetime (I'm quite old!) and never found my own or I think anyone else's view changed as a result! It usually ends in personal comments and accusations of "fluffly bunnyism" or ignorance of country matters. I'm not sentimental about wildlife, and I am a country person, a conservationist who just doesn't agree with hunting.

I respect your point of view, I just have a different one. :)

My earlier post was just to point out that there are many like me who dislike hunting, but are clean and employed and not interested in class war. :D:D
 
FionaM12 said:
I don't actually want to get into a debate about hunting please! I've debated it many times over my lifetime (I'm quite old!) and never found my own or I think anyone else's view changed as a result! It usually ends in personal comments and accusations of "fluffly bunnyism" or ignorance of country matters. I'm not sentimental about wildlife, and I am a country person, a conservationist who just doesn't agree with hunting.

I respect your point of view, I just have a different one. :)

My earlier post was just to point out that there are many like me who dislike hunting, but are clean and employed and not interested in class war. :D:D
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Why post an opinion on hunting then if you dont want to debate ?????? !!!!!....
A bit like moaning about the state of the country then saying I dont do politics :D
 
How horrible - who in their right minds does something to deliberately cause this sort of incident?! I am not pro hunting but I cannot understand the logic of these saboteurs at all. I do part agree with the statement of them being the usual 'rentamob' - those same people who chained themselves to the fencing at Dale Farm - essentially, wanting to protest but not really having the intelligence to know WHY or WHAT they are protesting about. Certainly their actions in this instance do not show them as animal lovers/protectors at all does it. IF they had an ounce of intelligence then they'd have know this was a drag hunt and that NO fox was being chased. What idiots. RIP hound.
 
perfect11s said:
Why post an opinion on hunting then if you dont want to debate ?????? !!!!!....
A bit like moaning about the state of the country then saying I dont do politics :D
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Not at all. My post was to say not all antis are dreadlock-wearing benefit scroungers, but many are in fact people like me. A point also made by DipseyDeb.

My post was polite and respectful, I don't think I'm obliged to argue WHY I don't like hunting, if I don't wish to.
 
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As hunting has a diversity of followers so have the sabs BUT a lot of them are nothing more than students that are paid to go out and cause havoc.

As said, sabs are not animal lovers, I have seen them pepper spray hounds and horses in the eyes, seen them slam gates on riders, try to drag children of their ponies and they smashed every piece of glass in our horsebox terrifying the horses on board.

If people turned up to attend a football matched with their faces covered, carrying chains and whips then the police would find a reason to arrest them but before the ban it was the sabs filming the police filming them!

One incident when LACS first started to get organised was, very interesting.
The ground we were hunting was always very boring. I was riding a heavyweight but pure quality hunter and my sister was on a similar type. Sure enough, we had crashed around the woods a few times and nothing more. My sis and I decided we would go off for a pee. We were riding back across an open field where one of the sabs was standing. My sister and I decided to give him a fright and were headed straight towards him at a good clip.
I think that I would have been worried had two large horse been charging towards me but he just turned and faced us and as the horses got really close he stepped forward and clapped his hands in front of their faces!
Both horses veered off either side (as we were intending to anyway) but it was a gutty thing to do. We pulled up and rode back to him and as we did so a fox broke cover.
With that my sister and I were hollering whist he was blowing the hounds on!
This lad was an enigma and we stopped to talk to him. He was a student and was being paid (some thirty years ago) £20 to be an anti.
I asked him why he had blown hounds to the line and he was laughing when he said that his father was a whip for a midlands hunt and he had hunted all his life. He missed it at Uni and this way he was being paid to follow. The rest of the antis were so ignorant that they wouldn't know if he was blowing hounds on or reveille!

So, it takes all sorts!
 
perfect11s said:
Why post an opinion on hunting then if you dont want to debate ?????? !!!!!....
A bit like moaning about the state of the country then saying I dont do politics :D
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How rude! The person you quoted was quite obviously only stating that not all antis fit into your steriotype, not actually actually entering a hunting debate at all.

She said she respected your point of view. Why can't you do the same?
 
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VoR I think that Jess just meant that you might not have called the police if you were not acting legally yourself rather than that making sabs actions acceptable.
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I did meant that! I only mentioned the legal side because if you call the police and they realise you've fallen foul of the rules all that happens is that the master gets done whilst the antis get off scot free! Didn't mean to cause any confusion :o
 
jesstickle said:
I did meant that! I only mentioned the legal side because if you call the police and they realise you've fallen foul of the rules all that happens is that the master gets done whilst the antis get off scot free! Didn't mean to cause any confusion :o
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I understood what you meant Jess. :)
 
Only time I net these people they drove dangerously near our racehorses on a country road [not that we were hunting, we were dressed in blousons and skull caps and horses had wintneys], but when we got back to the farm an elderly lady was at the house with a broken arm, she had been following on her old pony and had got mixed up with them. These were the days of Swampy and his tree huggers, and they had come from that area, no arrests.
 
Not meaning to cause offence with this statement as each to their own, personally I am totally and utterly against fox hunting, always have been always will be.

Having said that I also do not agree with hunt sabs, or those who sabotage animal testing labs etc....because they generally do so by causing pain and sometimes (in this case certainly) even death to innocent animals just doing their job.....how can they say it's for the greater good when they're going against everything they're supposed to be fighting for by hurting the animals in the first place....it's not the poor hounds or horse's fault.

Why can't we just introduce violent-criminal (rapists, murderers that sort of thing) hunting? Saves on taxes keeping them in prison, gives the hunt something to hunt and gives thoe of us who cannot handle the thought of killing an innocent animal a good reason to join in......althugh apparently that's a whole other argumant altogether about himan rights :-p
 
perfect11s said:
Why post an opinion on hunting then if you dont want to debate ?????? !!!!!....
A bit like moaning about the state of the country then saying I dont do politics :D
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion on here, whether they want to follow on and debate is up to them.
She gave good reasons as to why she didnt want to debate it, which is perfectly reasonable.
 
marydoll said:
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on here, whether they want to follow on and debate is up to them.
She gave good reasons as to why she didnt want to debate it, which is perfectly reasonable.
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Thanks for coming to my defence, Horsesgalore and Marydoll. :):) That was nice of you.
 
i actually heard this off my farrier who was there and a friend, on the day, i think it is discusting!!! i have always been pro hunt and i have many debates with non horsey friends about it and i still say everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
it does amaze me how sabs claim and go on about what they do is for the good of the animals and "policeing" hunt meets, but to be honest all they do is cause trouble, upset people and cause accidents like this, id quite like to throw the person who caused this under the lorry instead!! see how they like it!! again as some1 said earlier they are just a load of people who like to cause trouble, ive heard horror stories of what sabs have done to the hounds, people and horses whilst the hunt was out, they cause more damage and good and are complete and utter w*****s
 
I think we are talking about 2 different types of people if I understand correctly:

Antis: those that oppose hunting and come from all walk of life

Sabs: those who are intent on causing chaos and devastation at a hunt. tend to crusty and unwashed ;)

I don't feel strongly either way about hunting tbh, but I feel it revolting to claim you are on the side of 1 type if animal, yet deliberately cause pain and suffering to another. It's like saying you like dogs but not cats so it is ok to kick them.
 
minkymoo said:
I think we are talking about 2 different types of people if I understand correctly:

Antis: those that oppose hunting and come from all walk of life

Sabs: those who are intent on causing chaos and devastation at a hunt. tend to crusty and unwashed ;)
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Exactly! And one has to say that ALL the research suggests that a majority of the population are anti hunting. But it's also true to say that MOST of that majority wouldn't cross the road to sign an anti-hunt petition, let alone go to demos or go out sabbing!!

When I was at the BFSS, we did one bit of detailed public opinion research amongst urban dwellers that was interesting. It revealed that almost ALL urban dwellers were anti-hunting - and the exceptions - when questioned - revealed that they KNEW someone who hunted. ("Old Fred Bloggs down the road goes hunting and he's a really nice guy and loves his pets - he wouldn't do it if it was cruel" types of response!)

It is TOTALLY understandable that people are 'anti' when their knowledge of the 'sport' is limited to the fact that it's a bunch of upper-class rich (Tory) toffs chasing small, furry animals to the death for fun (and variations on that theme.)

There was another interesting bit of research that revealed that something over 70% of urban dwellers thought URBAN foxes should be controlled - but less than 45% thought RURAL foxes needed to be controlled! And the main gripe urban dwellers had against urban foxes - 'well, they ransack my dustbin' - or 'they walk over my car leabing muddy pawprints!' :rolleyes:
 
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JanetGeorge said:
There was another interesting bit of research that revealed that something over 70% of urban dwellers thought URBAN foxes should be controlled - but less than 45% thought RURAL foxes needed to be controlled! And the main gripe urban dwellers had against urban foxes - 'well, they ransack my dustbin' - or 'they walk over my car leabing muddy pawprints!' :rolleyes:
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Hell's fire, well those are two perfectly good reasons for culling the little blighters and as our rural bin bags were being 'ransacked' by a fox a few months ago........
 
Poor hound :(

Very sad but unsurprising. My dad witnessed sabs calling hounds on to a railway line using a horn some years back....cleary things haven't changed much.
 
I live a mile away from any other house. We are surrounded by arable land and the largest rabbit population you could ever imagine. I am constantly having to fill in rabbit holes in the paddocks. The local land owner does not like horses and so does not allow the hunt on his land. However, the gamekeeper lamps for foxes regularly because of the game birds. Both the tenant farmer and myself would prefer that there were allowed to be more foxes to help keep down the rabbits. Regardless of people's opinion on hunting, I have always struggled with the reason rural foxes need to be controlled on arable land EXCEPT for the sport of shooting. So, to me, around here, foxes are controlled for the sake of another bloodsport. I am not saying I am for or against either, but it just seems a bit of an odd thing really. However, when I am next woken up by the fox that loves sitting outside my window and screeching I will be less sympathetic! I have to hang out of the window and yell at it. It then goes around the back of the buildings and wakes up the dogs that bark for a further hour.:rolleyes:

The other thing about foxes, is I really don't see why they are viewed any differently to dogs. They are equally intelligent and dogs would act pretty much the same if they were wild. I used to hunt, but gave up shortly before the ban because of this. I guess that now I would be more happy to return if it was trail hunting.
 
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Why are all you folks posting you opinions on hunting? NO ONE was hunting foxes. This was a TRAIL hunt for CHILDREN which was following the route of a FUN RIDE so there were nice, easy fences for the children to jump.

Funny how the sabs just happened to be there when the hound ran out and were able to, as they claim, prevent other hounds from suffering the same fate.
 
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marmalade76 said:
Why are all you folks posting you opinions on hunting? NO ONE was hunting foxes. This was a TRAIL hunt for CHILDREN which was following the route of a FUN RIDE so there were nice, easy fences for the children to jump.

Funny how the sabs just happened to be there when the hound ran out and were able to, as they claim, prevent other hounds from suffering the same fate.
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The girl who schools my Sec A went and although the hound thing was not nice she had a great day and said it was really well supported- glad you all had fun!
 
Well I don't like hunting personally but certainly wouldn't hurt another animal, its ridiculous to protest against a fox being killed then your actions result in a hound being killed, it is not their fault they are doing what they are trained to do, and if it was a drag hunt as someone has said thats even more ridiculous
 
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