Hunter trials - how do they calculate the results - Optimum time?

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Hi, just wondered can anyone clarify for me how results for hunter trials are calculated when an optimum time is involved? Had originally thought that too fast was penalised much heavier than too slow for example? Also thought that if someone had a refusal a clear round would over ride this or is the idea if you have a refusal or two that you can then go like a bat out of hell to make up time? Just querying as know my time is a bit slow at the moment but am still dismayed when I see people who have refusals being placed higher? Am not a bad sport or anything like that, just trying to work out where we are going wrong and how it all works?
 
from the 2 unaff hts I have done this season I think they pick names out of a hat for the results!
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Not sure if faster is penalised more than slower BUT clear rounds should always be placed above ones with faults imho
 
well, you get a certain amount of penalties for going too slow and for going too fast - going too slow is penalised more than too fast...and obviously you get penalties for refusals/runouts etc etc

the only way i can think that someone with refusals came before you is that, with the total penalties, say they had 4 added onto their score for their refusal...but you were too slow so got 8 penalties...they have a lower total penalty score and so would get placed higher??

i think thats right (although i am mainly a sj-er, but have done HT so have a vague idea...what i said is a guess)
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see a friend of mine said that too fast is penalised more than too slow because of safety ie going too fast so that you might be dangerous..... in that case thought it was bizarre to have a clear round with time faults below a round with a refusal with a faster time...if that makes sense?

Think the picking names out of a hat may be what actually happens
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......the plot thickens!
 
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from the 2 unaff hts I have done this season I think they pick names out of a hat for the results!
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Not sure if faster is penalised more than slower BUT clear rounds should always be placed above ones with faults imho

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What Chloe said!
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I have also heard that too slow is favoured over too fast when it comes to optimum time. But as long as you're within the max. allowed time for the course, I'd say a clear round no matter how slow, should beat a round with refusals.
 
Time penalties are usually calcualted at the rate of 0.4 pens per second plus or minus the optimum time. If there is a tie then the horse that has come in over the opt time will be placed above one that has come in under the opt time.
Time & jumping penalties are added together to obtain a final score, so it is conceivable that a horse with jumping penalties could finish ahead of one that went clear but was way off the time. (Different from SJ where jumping clear is what counts & time is only used as a deciding factor Hunter Trials/ XC comps combine both factors).
BE do invoke a heavier penalty for those riders who are going too fast. This is done by calcualting the opt time for the next speed up, so rider who completed a PN course where the speed is set at 475 m/m at the novice speed of 520m/m would incur a penalties at the rate of 1 per second instead of 0.4 per second. This is very unlikely to be applied at a hunter trial though, unless a BE steward was heavily involved in the organisation of the event !!
 
1s over the time = 0.4 penalties
1s under the time = 1.0 penalty
so under the time penalised far more than over the time. Someone with a stop (but close to the time) would get 20 penalties so could theroretically get placed higher than someone clear but not near the time.
 
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from the 2 unaff hts I have done this season I think they pick names out of a hat for the results!
wink.gif
Not sure if faster is penalised more than slower BUT clear rounds should always be placed above ones with faults imho

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This is why I stopped entering HTs judged on an optimum time!
 
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