Mike007
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Probably meant Clubing
Hunting. For or Against?
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Ranyhyn
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lol i am pro clubbing!!!!!
JanetGeorge
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For. The people against it are the people who don't understand what it's for
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One thing I don't understand is what proof you have for this
Quite a bold statement with very little, if not no, evidence - that won't pass you any english exams
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There is SOME truth in it. I was involved in some in-depth Opinion research carried out by the British Field Sports Society regarding foxhunting some 15 years ago now, in urban areas. This was face-to-face in-depth questions rather than the tick a box type polls which show 70% oppose or whatever!
We discovered that the ONLY people in urban areas who had positive views about foxhunting were people who had EITHER at some stage of their lives been involved themselves, OR people who KNEW (and liked) people who hunted. This is understandable. It's very easy to accept the propaganda about hunting being 'cruel' until you think of your good friend Joe Bloggs, who is kind to everyone's children and pets, and who goes hunting every week!
We also discovered, in separate research, that FAR more urban people thought urban foxes needed control than thought rural foxes needed control! (after all, urban foxes ate their pet rabbits, ripped up dustbin bags and left dirty footprints on their cars - whereas rural foxes just ate rabbits!)
And - of course - there IS a lot of misunderstanding about EXACTLY what happens in different types of hunting! I remember interviewing Prof. Andrew Linzey who'd just been 'awarded' an animal welfare fellowship (by IFAW). He admitted he didn't think foxhunting was actually CRUEL (as hounds would kill foxes very quickly) - it was just morally repugnant (in his opinion.) But he thought staghunting was cruel as it would take hounds a longtime to kill a stag. (He was rather surprised to find they DIDN'T - that the stag was shot at point blank range!)
Jim Barrington - a former saboteur who then worked his way up to be Chief Executive of the League Against Cruel Sports - began to have doubts when one of his colleagues discovered (through working in forestry) that there was FAR less snaring on estates/farms who supported hunting - and then finally became totally disillusioned when he discovered his own employees were lying to him and doctoring video-footage to make it appear that 'atrocities' were happening!
And there is NO doubt at ALL that some hunting people make it VERY easy for those who come in contact with them to be anti-hunting!! Rudeness, arrogance, selfish hold-ups on roads, pompous MFH's (in particular) sounding off in an arrogant manner while choking on the mouthful of plums ......
There are many different reasons why people are 'anti' - I have friends (and relatives) who are and I respect their view even though I disagree. I have helped 'convert' many anti's (including journalists, a few saboteurs, and leading lights with LACS.)
And I could cheerfully smack many hunting people who don't respect alternate views (and other people's property!) and who help CREATE more antis!
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For. The people against it are the people who don't understand what it's for
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Ditto this
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One thing I don't understand is what proof you have for this
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There is SOME truth in it. I was involved in some in-depth Opinion research carried out by the British Field Sports Society regarding foxhunting some 15 years ago now, in urban areas. This was face-to-face in-depth questions rather than the tick a box type polls which show 70% oppose or whatever!
We discovered that the ONLY people in urban areas who had positive views about foxhunting were people who had EITHER at some stage of their lives been involved themselves, OR people who KNEW (and liked) people who hunted. This is understandable. It's very easy to accept the propaganda about hunting being 'cruel' until you think of your good friend Joe Bloggs, who is kind to everyone's children and pets, and who goes hunting every week!
We also discovered, in separate research, that FAR more urban people thought urban foxes needed control than thought rural foxes needed control! (after all, urban foxes ate their pet rabbits, ripped up dustbin bags and left dirty footprints on their cars - whereas rural foxes just ate rabbits!)
And - of course - there IS a lot of misunderstanding about EXACTLY what happens in different types of hunting! I remember interviewing Prof. Andrew Linzey who'd just been 'awarded' an animal welfare fellowship (by IFAW). He admitted he didn't think foxhunting was actually CRUEL (as hounds would kill foxes very quickly) - it was just morally repugnant (in his opinion.) But he thought staghunting was cruel as it would take hounds a longtime to kill a stag. (He was rather surprised to find they DIDN'T - that the stag was shot at point blank range!)
Jim Barrington - a former saboteur who then worked his way up to be Chief Executive of the League Against Cruel Sports - began to have doubts when one of his colleagues discovered (through working in forestry) that there was FAR less snaring on estates/farms who supported hunting - and then finally became totally disillusioned when he discovered his own employees were lying to him and doctoring video-footage to make it appear that 'atrocities' were happening!
And there is NO doubt at ALL that some hunting people make it VERY easy for those who come in contact with them to be anti-hunting!! Rudeness, arrogance, selfish hold-ups on roads, pompous MFH's (in particular) sounding off in an arrogant manner while choking on the mouthful of plums ......
There are many different reasons why people are 'anti' - I have friends (and relatives) who are and I respect their view even though I disagree. I have helped 'convert' many anti's (including journalists, a few saboteurs, and leading lights with LACS.)
And I could cheerfully smack many hunting people who don't respect alternate views (and other people's property!) and who help CREATE more antis!
FFF
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I am very pro hunting
RunToEarth
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i am not against hunting, yet I love foxes - is that strange??
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You will struggle to find a hunter who isn't a fan of foxes.
I am pro, it is one of the only reasons I have horses.
i am not against hunting, yet I love foxes - is that strange??
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You will struggle to find a hunter who isn't a fan of foxes.
I am pro, it is one of the only reasons I have horses.
spotty_pony
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I am For Hunting. Although the main reason I go is for the riding side of it!
Golden_Match_II
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For. The people against it are the people who don't understand what it's for
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Ditto this
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One thing I don't understand is what proof you have for this
Quite a bold statement with very little, if not no, evidence - that won't pass you any english exams
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There is SOME truth in it. I was involved in some in-depth Opinion research carried out by the British Field Sports Society regarding foxhunting some 15 years ago now, in urban areas. This was face-to-face in-depth questions rather than the tick a box type polls which show 70% oppose or whatever!
We discovered that the ONLY people in urban areas who had positive views about foxhunting were people who had EITHER at some stage of their lives been involved themselves, OR people who KNEW (and liked) people who hunted. This is understandable. It's very easy to accept the propaganda about hunting being 'cruel' until you think of your good friend Joe Bloggs, who is kind to everyone's children and pets, and who goes hunting every week!
We also discovered, in separate research, that FAR more urban people thought urban foxes needed control than thought rural foxes needed control! (after all, urban foxes ate their pet rabbits, ripped up dustbin bags and left dirty footprints on their cars - whereas rural foxes just ate rabbits!)
And - of course - there IS a lot of misunderstanding about EXACTLY what happens in different types of hunting! I remember interviewing Prof. Andrew Linzey who'd just been 'awarded' an animal welfare fellowship (by IFAW). He admitted he didn't think foxhunting was actually CRUEL (as hounds would kill foxes very quickly) - it was just morally repugnant (in his opinion.) But he thought staghunting was cruel as it would take hounds a longtime to kill a stag. (He was rather surprised to find they DIDN'T - that the stag was shot at point blank range!)
Jim Barrington - a former saboteur who then worked his way up to be Chief Executive of the League Against Cruel Sports - began to have doubts when one of his colleagues discovered (through working in forestry) that there was FAR less snaring on estates/farms who supported hunting - and then finally became totally disillusioned when he discovered his own employees were lying to him and doctoring video-footage to make it appear that 'atrocities' were happening!
And there is NO doubt at ALL that some hunting people make it VERY easy for those who come in contact with them to be anti-hunting!! Rudeness, arrogance, selfish hold-ups on roads, pompous MFH's (in particular) sounding off in an arrogant manner while choking on the mouthful of plums ......
There are many different reasons why people are 'anti' - I have friends (and relatives) who are and I respect their view even though I disagree. I have helped 'convert' many anti's (including journalists, a few saboteurs, and leading lights with LACS.)
And I could cheerfully smack many hunting people who don't respect alternate views (and other people's property!) and who help CREATE more antis!
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Thanks for this. I don't see, though, how the other people with this Idea that I simply MUST be an idiot because I don't like a spot of hunting, couldn't have produced anything like this originally, other than for the reason that they had no idea any evidence existed?
The thing is that I am anti, and I DO know what goes on. Because I'm Anti, does that mean that these hunting-types think I am a dimwit? Because I am very close to people who do hunt, I just dislike the 'toffs with no manners who storm through your garden' and for the reason alone that there are some real jerks out there, I am anti. Plus I don't like the idea of animal slaughter much.
I just simply don't understand why some spoilt and silly people think that I don't know a thing about hunting. I DO! I just oppose the idea! If I didn't know what went on, then I wouldn't know to oppose it. I don't see why this logic makes any less sense than the logic that those who oppose don't understand hunting.
I DO UNDERSTAND HUNTING. I just don't like it. Understand now, some ignoramuses who assumed I must be a total thicko because I didn't have the same beliefs as them?
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For. The people against it are the people who don't understand what it's for
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Ditto this
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One thing I don't understand is what proof you have for this
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There is SOME truth in it. I was involved in some in-depth Opinion research carried out by the British Field Sports Society regarding foxhunting some 15 years ago now, in urban areas. This was face-to-face in-depth questions rather than the tick a box type polls which show 70% oppose or whatever!
We discovered that the ONLY people in urban areas who had positive views about foxhunting were people who had EITHER at some stage of their lives been involved themselves, OR people who KNEW (and liked) people who hunted. This is understandable. It's very easy to accept the propaganda about hunting being 'cruel' until you think of your good friend Joe Bloggs, who is kind to everyone's children and pets, and who goes hunting every week!
We also discovered, in separate research, that FAR more urban people thought urban foxes needed control than thought rural foxes needed control! (after all, urban foxes ate their pet rabbits, ripped up dustbin bags and left dirty footprints on their cars - whereas rural foxes just ate rabbits!)
And - of course - there IS a lot of misunderstanding about EXACTLY what happens in different types of hunting! I remember interviewing Prof. Andrew Linzey who'd just been 'awarded' an animal welfare fellowship (by IFAW). He admitted he didn't think foxhunting was actually CRUEL (as hounds would kill foxes very quickly) - it was just morally repugnant (in his opinion.) But he thought staghunting was cruel as it would take hounds a longtime to kill a stag. (He was rather surprised to find they DIDN'T - that the stag was shot at point blank range!)
Jim Barrington - a former saboteur who then worked his way up to be Chief Executive of the League Against Cruel Sports - began to have doubts when one of his colleagues discovered (through working in forestry) that there was FAR less snaring on estates/farms who supported hunting - and then finally became totally disillusioned when he discovered his own employees were lying to him and doctoring video-footage to make it appear that 'atrocities' were happening!
And there is NO doubt at ALL that some hunting people make it VERY easy for those who come in contact with them to be anti-hunting!! Rudeness, arrogance, selfish hold-ups on roads, pompous MFH's (in particular) sounding off in an arrogant manner while choking on the mouthful of plums ......
There are many different reasons why people are 'anti' - I have friends (and relatives) who are and I respect their view even though I disagree. I have helped 'convert' many anti's (including journalists, a few saboteurs, and leading lights with LACS.)
And I could cheerfully smack many hunting people who don't respect alternate views (and other people's property!) and who help CREATE more antis!
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Thanks for this. I don't see, though, how the other people with this Idea that I simply MUST be an idiot because I don't like a spot of hunting, couldn't have produced anything like this originally, other than for the reason that they had no idea any evidence existed?
The thing is that I am anti, and I DO know what goes on. Because I'm Anti, does that mean that these hunting-types think I am a dimwit? Because I am very close to people who do hunt, I just dislike the 'toffs with no manners who storm through your garden' and for the reason alone that there are some real jerks out there, I am anti. Plus I don't like the idea of animal slaughter much.
I just simply don't understand why some spoilt and silly people think that I don't know a thing about hunting. I DO! I just oppose the idea! If I didn't know what went on, then I wouldn't know to oppose it. I don't see why this logic makes any less sense than the logic that those who oppose don't understand hunting.
I DO UNDERSTAND HUNTING. I just don't like it. Understand now, some ignoramuses who assumed I must be a total thicko because I didn't have the same beliefs as them?