Hunting is in a spot of bother

The Police have acted swiftly on this. Good. Put the frighteners on all those involved and also the enablers. More arrests are planned.

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Six arrested in Ambleside illegal fox-hunting investigation

Cumbria Police says it plans to make more arrests as it continues to investigate.
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Six men have been arrested as part of an investigation over illegal fox-hunting.

Cumbria Police said it made the arrests following an alleged incident at a meet of the Coniston Foxhounds in Ambleside on 8 November.

All were arrested on Thursday on suspicion of causing unnecessary suffering to a protected animal and remain in police custody.

The force added one of the men had also been arrested on suspicion of possessing an unlawful firearm and warned further arrests were planned.

Three vehicles were also seized as part of the investigation.

It’s the covert footage that always provides the best evidence.
 
Well the video found me. I am glad to read the police have acted swiftly.

I had been thinking since moving to the countryside I'd probably have to deal with differences of opinion on hunting, which is one thing, but I can safely say I will not ever be on board with or want to associate with anyone who thinks the behaviour in that video is acceptable.

I'm not sure a law change will make much difference will it? They don't seem to have much regard for it as it is and don't seem particularly well policed. That said I see the sab groups are fundraising for drones so perhaps that will be a gamechanger in hunt monitoring and gathering evidence of what they are actually up to?

I would be sad to see drag and bloodhound packs go.
 
Crazy_cat_lady said:
Note the person behind him smirking too. Agree with the ban cries
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Thing is it is already banned and has been for many years but its still going on under the guise of trail hunting. We all know its proper fox hunting going on. The man hitting his horse round the head with a hunting whip? If someone hit a dog like that they would be reported to RSPCA. disgusting really but I am not surprised at all. The horse hit with a hard object round its ears, one of the most sensitive parts of its body..... What a big brave man he is......
 
Sandstone1 said:
Thing is it is already banned and has been for many years but its still going on under the guise of trail hunting. We all know its proper fox hunting going on. The man hitting his horse round the head with a hunting whip? If someone hit a dog like that they would be reported to RSPCA. disgusting really but I am not surprised at all. The horse hit with a hard object round its ears, one of the most sensitive parts of its body..... What a big brave man he is......
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Sorry. I should have been clearer.

Ban it all except bloodhound clean boot hunts who have never chased an animal.

No ‘trail’ hunting, but really we’re hunting foxes. 😡😡
 
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Ambleside illegal fox-hunting probe sees further arrests

A total of 12 men have now been arrested as part of the investigation.
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The police are still very actively investigating the Coniston Foxhounds incident on November 8th with more arrests made.

ETA from Cumbria Police

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Sanversera said:
Was speaking to an elderly chap the other day,a life long hunting and shooting fan who travels up and down the country to shoot pheasant and footfollow several hunts over the season. He said the word on the street so to speak is that if trail hunting is banned they'll just carry on anyway and call it hound exercise.
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Very probably some hunts will initially, but it’ll be a darn sight easier to catch them out if they do. The hounds will give it away when speaking on a scent which simply shouldn’t happen at all on hound exercise.
 
My horse hunted for a few years with a bloke before I bought him and came with a lot of issues. He was terrified of you moving the reins, for example if I adjusted the loose ‘loop’ of rein or moved it over to his other shoulder when sorting my reins out, I believe he has been whipped across the shoulder with the reins at some point as it’s a real hang up he has even now. He’d also freak if I took my hand off the reins to just rub my face for example, I think he expected to be getting a whack. You can’t put his headcollar on over the stable door and he will hide at the back of his stable, fine if you go into the stable to do it (that one I don’t know!). If he spooks and refuses a jump for some reason he blind panics and will try to bolt. He also does this when certain things trigger him and I think he’s expecting to be told off. He’s a funny little thing.

Of course I’m not tarring everyone with the same brush, I know lots of people who hunt who are lovely sympathetic riders. But someone has been very unkind to my boy at some point. :confused:
 
Re the man riding with the South Durham Hunt filmed whacking his horse on the head .

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Probe after viral footage 'shows huntsman smacking horse across the head with whip'

Shocking footage shows the moment a huntsman appears to smack his horse around the head with his riding whip on a County Durham hunt.
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A Durham Police spokesperson said: "Police were made aware of reports of a drag hunt on Saturday (November 8) in Sedgefield. "Officers are now reviewing CCTV in relation to suspected animal cruelty to a horse. "An investigation is underway, and officers are working alongside RSPCA colleagues."


A spokesperson for the BHSA said the footage is "unacceptable and falls well below the standards expected within our hunt. They added: “Welfare for both horses and hounds is paramount, and any behaviour that risks undermining confidence in lawful trail hunting must be taken seriously. As soon as the incident was confirmed, the hunt took immediate action and referred the matter to the British Hound Sports Association to ensure full openness and transparency.

The BHSA, as the governing body, is responsible for enforcing the sport's core principles, has issued a formal reprimand to the huntsman involved and has arranged a precautionary welfare inspection. The clip captures a brief lapse in judgement by an experienced horseman who has a long track record of proper care and professionalism in his work with horses and hounds.

There is no indication of any wider welfare concern beyond the moment shown. This isolated incident should not be taken as representative of the hunt, its standards, or the values of the sport.

As for the text in bold - pull the other one. You do that in public in front of a smirking audience of your peers, what the heck do you get up to in private 🙄.

You never ever hit a horse near the eyes.
 
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I cannot imagine any 'lapse of judgement' that would inspire me to whack my horse across the face with a crop. Do I get frustrated and growl at them sometimes when they're behaving like absolute gremlins? yes. Have I given a bit of a sharper than necessary half-halt when I'm sick to the back teeth of being tanked around with? yes. Have a given a bit of a firm kick with my heels that perhaps wasn't completely warranted because they were being a nappy idiot that day? yes. All of these are lapses of judgement that I know are not constructive or helpful but where I behaved reactively and in hindsight regretted it. Has it ever crossed my mind in those moments to take a crop and whack my horse across the head? Erm, no.
 
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The clip captures a brief lapse in judgement by an experienced horseman who has a long track record of proper care and professionalism in his work with horses and hounds.
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The clip captures a bloke beating his horse around the head causing another rider to laugh.

It would be more correct to say: "This is a brief clip showing a lapse in judgement by an experienced horseman who mostly doesn't have a camera filming him."
 
The police are still working on the Coniston Foxhounds incident. Four more arrests, the most recent ones in Powys, Wales, on suspicion of causing unnecessary suffering to a protected animal, making a total of 16 arrests so far. All those arrested are now out on bail.

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Tiddlypom said:
Re the man riding with the South Durham Hunt filmed whacking his horse on the head .

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk

Probe after viral footage 'shows huntsman smacking horse across the head with whip'

Shocking footage shows the moment a huntsman appears to smack his horse around the head with his riding whip on a County Durham hunt.
www.thenorthernecho.co.uk www.thenorthernecho.co.uk

A Durham Police spokesperson said: "Police were made aware of reports of a drag hunt on Saturday (November 8) in Sedgefield. "Officers are now reviewing CCTV in relation to suspected animal cruelty to a horse. "An investigation is underway, and officers are working alongside RSPCA colleagues."


A spokesperson for the BHSA said the footage is "unacceptable and falls well below the standards expected within our hunt. They added: “Welfare for both horses and hounds is paramount, and any behaviour that risks undermining confidence in lawful trail hunting must be taken seriously. As soon as the incident was confirmed, the hunt took immediate action and referred the matter to the British Hound Sports Association to ensure full openness and transparency.

The BHSA, as the governing body, is responsible for enforcing the sport's core principles, has issued a formal reprimand to the huntsman involved and has arranged a precautionary welfare inspection. The clip captures a brief lapse in judgement by an experienced horseman who has a long track record of proper care and professionalism in his work with horses and hounds.

There is no indication of any wider welfare concern beyond the moment shown. This isolated incident should not be taken as representative of the hunt, its standards, or the values of the sport.

As for the text in bold - pull the other one. You do that in public in front of a smirking audience of your peers, what the heck do you get up to in private 🙄.

You never ever hit a horse near the eyes.
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I assume that statement is aimed at the general public, not us, because we've all met the kind of person who does that kind of thing and can make up our own minds about whether a 'lapse in judgement' is the most likely explanation here. :rolleyes:
 
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