Hunting with a dog?

[Alec Swan]

Fides, super pics. SUPER!!

Alec.

 

[Fides]

Fides, super pics. SUPER!!

Alec.

Thanks

My Black and Tan dog, Boyd, is now a happy dog who is fine offlead. I had 4 years of hell with him - 1 trainer said only ever have him on a long line - resulting in a broken wrist for me, 2 said never let him off the lead - what sort of life is that, one even said PTS before he was shot or run over, and the final suggested a remote collar for a deaf dog - it was a life saver, literally!

I have happy, free dogs now who I can let have fun like in those pictures

 

[burge]

it is not legal to hunt hare or deer at all and if you are seen out with 3 or more dogs whilst hunting you are likely to get reported and the RSPCA are pigs to deal with and a law unto themselves.

I know of no farmers who would allow an unknown pack of dogs of various breeds, a pony and unknown people to traipse across their land to play at hunting.

Sorry to disagree but the retrieval of hares that have been shot is exempt as long as the land it takes place on belongs to the hunter or the landowner has given permission.

 

[twiggy2]

Sorry to disagree but the retrieval of hares that have been shot is exempt as long as the land it takes place on belongs to the hunter or the landowner has given permission.

my post should have stated 'with dogs' but didn't, the op however was talking about hunting with dogs not with guns

 

[burge]

my post should have stated 'with dogs' but didn't, the op however was talking about hunting with dogs not with guns

Sorry didn't make myself clear. The hunting of hares with dogs is legal if retrieving those that have been shot. The act does not state 'how shot' the hare needs to be or indeed when it was shot prior to hunting so in theory a hare with a bullet hole through its ear would be ok to hunt traditionally with a pack of beagles?

 

[Dry Rot]

Sorry didn't make myself clear. The hunting of hares with dogs is legal if retrieving those that have been shot. The act does not state 'how shot' the hare needs to be or indeed when it was shot prior to hunting so in theory a hare with a bullet hole through its ear would be ok to hunt traditionally with a pack of beagles?

The law is deliberately vague in some areas because some things are best decided by the courts. Sorry that won't answer your question but, as you have pointed out, circumstances will vary.

 

[Llanali]

Why do I always miss the saluki threads?.

As a saluki breeder, who has both lure coursing and show ring champions, I have to say mine course very well thank you, intentional or otherwise.

My veteran bitch had a rabbit this morning in fact, and my youngsters were hot on her heels. Nicks are not uncommon, but not every day either, yet they run daily.

Alec- mine would love a shot at the Norfolk plains!

I only have one saluki in my line that is too soft to course- he is just a daft one. His mother is a hunter through and through. Left the back door open over night a few weeks ago by accident and came down in the morning to a dead bird, two dead mice, a shrew or vole, I don't know which and some indeterminate feathers!

 

[twiggy2]

Sorry didn't make myself clear. The hunting of hares with dogs is legal if retrieving those that have been shot. The act does not state 'how shot' the hare needs to be or indeed when it was shot prior to hunting so in theory a hare with a bullet hole through its ear would be ok to hunt traditionally with a pack of beagles?

retrieving shot game is very far removed from hunting game with a hole in it

 

[Alec Swan]

retrieving shot game is very far removed from hunting game with a hole in it

If we're to consider your point, should we not ask the question; "Should hares be shot, and so by run the risk of wounding"? and then should we not perhaps pose the question, "As the shooting of hares carries with it a realistic and implied risk of unacceptable wounding, wouldn't it be more humane and more ethical too, for the hare to run and either meet with a rapid demise, or escape"?

Just a couple of points for you to ponder upon, should you wish!

Alec.

 

[bakewell]

If we're to consider your point, should we not ask the question; "Should hares be shot, and so by run the risk of wounding"? and then should we not perhaps pose the question, "As the shooting of hares carries with it a realistic and implied risk of unacceptable wounding, wouldn't it be more humane and more ethical too, for the hare to run and either meet with a rapid demise, or escape"?
Alec.

Alec, (question is without rancour) do you think there's an effect on the meat between the methods regarding the effect of adrenalin et al with a chase? For what it's worth I've eaten both but mainly shot hare (/my most successful hunts for hare have been with a gun).

 

[twiggy2]

If we're to consider your point, should we not ask the question; "Should hares be shot, and so by run the risk of wounding"? and then should we not perhaps pose the question, "As the shooting of hares carries with it a realistic and implied risk of unacceptable wounding, wouldn't it be more humane and more ethical too, for the hare to run and either meet with a rapid demise, or escape"?

Just a couple of points for you to ponder upon, should you wish!

Alec.

I own a lurcher that in her time has been a demon for hare I do not need to ponder that point you pose for watching a lurcher do what it has evolved to do in full flight is far more humane (and a glorious sight) than risking a wild creature slowly die due to being injured by lead-that said I do think a good shot lamping foxes by night is far more humane than the way fox hunting with hounds has [is] been carried out

 

[twiggy2]

Alec, (question is without rancour) do you think there's an effect on the meat between the methods regarding the effect of adrenalin et al with a chase? For what it's worth I've eaten both but mainly shot hare (/my most successful hunts for hare have been with a gun).

can I answer this one too?

I have eaten many hare that have been caught by a dog and it is one of my favourite meats, tender and delicious-I tend to by pass shot game these days after cracking a tooth on some shot but never noticed a difference in taste between shot or bought down by dogs except with deer

 

[bakewell]

can I answer this one too?

I have eaten many hare that have been caught by a dog and it is one of my favourite meats, tender and delicious-I tend to by pass shot game these days after cracking a tooth on some shot but never noticed a difference in taste between shot or bought down by dogs except with deer

I've never noticed a difference either (save as you say for the shot seasoning!) but wondered on others opinions.

Stress affecting meat flavour is frequently mentioned regarding abbottoirs but the time frame is much longer. As I suppose is generally going to be the case for deer.

 

[Alec Swan]

Alec, (question is without rancour) do you think there's an effect on the meat between the methods regarding the effect of adrenalin et al with a chase? For what it's worth I've eaten both but mainly shot hare (/my most successful hunts for hare have been with a gun).

Also considering your subsequent response, and as you, I'm really not sure! I've eaten hares, and those which have been shot and those coursed. I've yet to notice the difference, though the gourmets assure me that the coursed hare is to be preferred! I'll have them casseroled, and with red currant jelly, they are delicious!

Alec.

 

[Annette4]

This made me laugh out loud

I have often wanted to try my greyhounds after rabbits, but sadly they show all the aptitude of a stuffed toy in finding any.....

So does the whippet....and she's from lamping stock!

 

[Leo Walker]

Mines amazing! Hes the result of a long time of selective breeding to breed the ultimate rabbiting dog. Sadly he ended up with me. I taught him, along with my cats, bite inhibition as a young pup. He catches rabbits all the time, rolls them, lets them go and chases them again :lol: He also disproves the theory that whippet type dogs are no good for hares. Any time hes seen them at reasonably close range hes been there or there abouts He also gives deer a good run for their money but in heavily forested areas they get away every time thnakfully or no doubt he would be injured!

 

[Clodagh]

I think a hare coursed by a longdogs would be good to eat. I wouldn't fancy one that had been killed by beagles or bassets though, as they are run to exhaustion first which I would have thought would make them quite unpleasant to eat. Not that you get much of the hare back after a pack has finished anyway!

 

[Aleka81]

So then?? My dog ( GSP) took off after some grouse he startled today. They were in the long grass near the footpath. Private farm land with a public footpath going through it. He returned rather quickly as he in turn got startled by a pheasant flying up in front of him. I'm assuming I'd have been in trouble with mr Farmer had we been spotted.. Could I have claimed that being a GSP he was excused from trespassing because once his nose kicks in his ears stop working ?

Be grateful the keeper didn't see this! The issue of what your dog could or couldn't do in the future could quickly have become irrelevant! Dogs on leads or under control...
Why people insist on letting there dogs do the above is beyond me! They clearly have no idea on the impact to people's livelihoods...and by the way I love long dogs and working them but not where game birds are only where there is permission. Or allowing my terriers or labs to wander aimlessly on public foot paths...