Hypocare shortage

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Is it just me or is there a shortage of Hypocare? I want a 500 ml bottle but can't seem to find one on the internet anywhere and tack shop not selling it anymore.
 
Nicnac said:
Bog standard Hypocare has been discontinued. Horseware for some reason have rebranded and only manufacture specialist Hypocare now with only the mud fever version in 500ml. BIG mistake as Julie Roberts said in Pretty Woman!

https://www.horseware.com/hypocare/equine-therapy.php
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Tesco Extra and other large supermarkets sell a human equivalent wound spray which has the same ingredients at a fraction of the cost . . . .
 
Hipo said:
Use Leucillin, its the same sort of stuff, but just comes in one type in different sizes.
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But if comes from a supermarket, it can be slipped into hte shopping trolley, hidden in a big house shop, and doesnt come out of the horse budget!!!
 
I couldn't fathom why they had started marketing it under different types!? Apparently due to customers getting confused about a 'cure all' So although they say 'specifically targeted at mud fever pathogens' it isn't any different to the other options.
It is also very overpriced! and I like this ;)
'The Hypocare Range are biocidal products designed for hygiene purposes and does not claim to have any medical effect on the conditions listed.'
 
It's utter rubbish with no scientific evidence to support its claims whatsoever. It's a glorified wound wash, and the only reason it appears to help is because people use it lots, so keep wounds cleaner. Salt water is just as effective.
 
honetpot said:
When this stuff came out I asked rep what it was based on, hypochlorite. So you might as well use dilute Milton and save your money.
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I don’t think that is true, salt in concentrations sufficient to be antiseptic is damaging to wound tissue.

Milton is the same.

The type and form of chlorine in the hypocare, and the human wound spray in tesco link above, is such that it is antiseptic, and non-damaging to tissue. There is research that this form of chloride is beneficial forto treating wounds in humans.

Hypocare is far superior to Milton / Salt – as isn’t damaging to skin.
 
Yes that true, a lot of antiseptics damage skin and should not be used to clean or treat skin cuts or abrasions, all wounds should be cleaned with normal saline.
As I said the rep told me it was based on hypochlorite which is used for cleaning and disinfection, Milton is a disinfectant and the liquid solution can be diluted down and some people use it for washing salad, so diluted it pretty safe. http://www.milton-tm.com/en/consumer/faqs If you think you need to disinfect skin( which is actually in most cases counterproductive as the disinfectant damages skin cells) it a cheaper solution than buying over priced water + something,in a pretty bottle. You could also use hydrogen peroxide solution diluted from the chemist which while effervescing can also mechanically remove dirt.
I would stick to a good quality mild detergent if you really thought you needed to wash sensitive skin or normal saline for broken skin. As it is I think all these antibacterial agents are over used and eventually the bugs will become resistant to them.
 
honetpot said:
Yes that true, a lot of antiseptics damage skin and should not be used to clean or treat skin cuts or abrasions, all wounds should be cleaned with normal saline.
As I said the rep told me it was based on hypochlorite which is used for cleaning and disinfection, Milton is a disinfectant and the liquid solution can be diluted down and some people use it for washing salad, so diluted it pretty safe. http://www.milton-tm.com/en/consumer/faqs If you think you need to disinfect skin( which is actually in most cases counterproductive as the disinfectant damages skin cells) it a cheaper solution than buying over priced water + something,in a pretty bottle. You could also use hydrogen peroxide solution diluted from the chemist which while effervescing can also mechanically remove dirt.
I would stick to a good quality mild detergent if you really thought you needed to wash sensitive skin or normal saline for broken skin. As it is I think all these antibacterial agents are over used and eventually the bugs will become resistant to them.
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I dont think any of the above is scientifically correct. Yes you can use all of those things as skin wash, but if they are diluted to the point they are not harmful to wound tissue, then they wont be effective at killing pathogens, salt used at a dilution to kill pathogens, isnt great for wound tissue.

The whole point about the type and form of chloride in the Hypocare, and the human wound spray versions, is that it a new form of chloride that has the following properties:

• Clinically proven to kill pathogens on contact (bacterial, fungal and viral infections)
• Does not harm healthy tissue or slow down the healing process
• 80 – 300 times more effective at killing pathogens than hypochlorite or bleach
• Safe if licked off the skin
• The active ingredient in the Hypocare range is a stable active halogen in the form of Hypochlorous acid
• Emulates skin pH so doesn’t sting

These are scientific facts, not marketing hype. I dont by the brand name version, but the cheaper human equivalents.
 
I find hypocare or vetericyn really useful in wound cleaning and treatment. It is so much easier to have something to hand that is sterile, and can clean wounds without damaging wound tissue. For me not needing to find sterile container / spray and boil water, etc. it is worth the price. Plus it is much milder on tissue than salt / weak disinfectant.
 
wingedhorse said:
I dont think any of the above is scientifically correct. Yes you can use all of those things as skin wash, but if they are diluted to the point they are not harmful to wound tissue, then they wont be effective at killing pathogens, salt used at a dilution to kill pathogens, isnt great for wound tissue.

The whole point about the type and form of chloride in the Hypocare, and the human wound spray versions, is that it a new form of chloride that has the following properties:

• Clinically proven to kill pathogens on contact (bacterial, fungal and viral infections)
• Does not harm healthy tissue or slow down the healing process
• 80 – 300 times more effective at killing pathogens than hypochlorite or bleach
• Safe if licked off the skin
• The active ingredient in the Hypocare range is a stable active halogen in the form of Hypochlorous acid
• Emulates skin pH so doesn’t sting

These are scientific facts, not marketing hype. I dont by the brand name version, but the cheaper human equivalents.
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The above "facts" were taken directly from the Hypocare website though - of course they are going to say that. There isn't any independent clinical trial data to support what they claim.
 
Auslander said:
The above "facts" were taken directly from the Hypocare website though - of course they are going to say that. There isn't any independent clinical trial data to support what they claim.
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There are research papers supporting the use of this form of stabilised Hypochlorous acid in human wound care. Bullet points 1,2,4,5,6 are known facts that are not disputed.

I do not know the evidence for 80-300 times more effective at killing pathogens than hypochlorite or bleach BUT I do know that advertising standards DO NOT allow factual claims that cannot be rigourously substantiated, so there must be research out there that supports this claim.

You can claim may this / that and other, but if you state hard facts in a commercial advert, there must be supporting evidence available.
 
ester said:
yes, like which pathogens..
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How much more specific than bacterial, fungal and viral do you need? That to me reads as it can kill all bacteria, fungi, and viruses, present in skin wounds it is used in. My understanding (read this somewhere) is because it is close to a natural product, the bacteria, fungi and viruses will not evolve to develop immunity to it.
 
Very much more specific! That isn't specific at all! Species, some pathogenic bacteria are able to produce spores which makes them notoriously difficult to kill. It would be better if there were a statement if they included X, X and X that are frequent causes of wound contamination and subsequent infection. It is the mechanisms of action (if they are multiple) rather than the source that is important with regards to the development of resistance.
Nothing kills everything, which is why usually for disinfectants etc log reduction in total load (or specific species) is reported.

(I am speaking from a microbiologist's POV)
 
Fwiw I do think the solution is actually really interesting and definitely has applications.

It is the marketing I take issue with, and labelling the same product differently 3 times is just odd!
 
ester said:
Very much more specific! That isn't specific at all! Species, some pathogenic bacteria are able to produce spores which makes them notoriously difficult to kill. It would be better if there were a statement if they included X, X and X that are frequent causes of wound contamination and subsequent infection. It is the mechanisms of action (if they are multiple) rather than the source that is important with regards to the development of resistance.
Nothing kills everything, which is why usually for disinfectants etc log reduction in total load (or specific species) is reported.

(I am speaking from a microbiologist's POV)
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LOL I've got a degree in Biochemistry, my digging around seemed to show the research for this technology was quite convincing, as a valid part of wound care. But I'd rather bypass Hypocare, and buy in bulk more cheaply if anyone has any ideas, I dont need the brand, just the solution which should be obtainable far cheaper.
 
twohorsewonder said:
You can claim may this / that and other, but if you state hard facts in a commercial advert, there must be supporting evidence available.
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I'm aware of that (I work in veterinary publishing), and I am also aware that it doesn't actually stop companies making claims that are unsubstantiated. They then get a slap on the wrist from the powers that be, say "I'm really sorry, I didn't mean to" and then change their marketing materials. The page of shame on the NOAH website is populated by many companies who should know better!
 
The problems with these 'strong' solutions whether they are 'natural' or not, and its being marketed as a cure for everything, and with human wound care, skin conditions you would clean with warmed saline or tap water, this is evidence based research. Anything else stronger would have to be carefully monitored by a wound specialist or doctor.
The ingredients for Hypocare cost pennies, if you really feel the need to use it there are cheaper alternatives.
 
honetpot said:
The problems with these 'strong' solutions whether they are 'natural' or not, and its being marketed as a cure for everything, and with human wound care, skin conditions you would clean with warmed saline or tap water, this is evidence based research. Anything else stronger would have to be carefully monitored by a wound specialist or doctor.
The ingredients for Hypocare cost pennies, if you really feel the need to use it there are cheaper alternatives.
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There are human wound sprays available in supermarket using hypochlorous acid, and there are research papers using it to human clean wounds. So I disagree with your statement above.

Hypocare is not strong nor a chemical form identical to dilute bleach or similar. It is safe to lick, and the same pH as skin. It is actually fairly dilute. Diluting forms of bleach does not produce the same product as Hypocare.

Grateful for a link to the identical chemical components, in a cheaper form. I dont believe there are equivalent products readily available so grateful if you could substantiate your statement with links.
 
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