I am Fuming -BE Trainer - How rude!!!

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I attended a BE80T this weekend for the first time,my partner came along as 'groom'! as we are all aware the T stands for training!

My partner was watching the showjumping waiting for my turn, an accredited BE Trainer started chatting to him saying comments such as a few examples:

1. 'take a look at that rider, why would you bother! '
2. ' God why do they bother gettting up to come here when they ride like that!'
3. ' Why waste their money that just looks awful!'

How rude! Hes not the most upfront person so didn't say anything apart from people are following their dreams, after that he moved away from them.

Its a good job she was speaking to me like that or for all I know she could have been saying something similar about my riding!

I am fuming, she is supposed to be a professional BE Accreditated trainer and runs clinics all over the place, some people are achieving their dream doing BE80T just like I am, unfortunately some of us were never made for Badminton hence why the T stands for training!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't ask for names as much as I would like to name and shame its not appropriate things to do especially on a social netwrk forum. :-)
 
I would be fuming too. Absolutely no need whatsoever. At least people attending these things are there to actively try and improve their riding no matter what their performance looks like.

Its a shame your partner didnt say anything. Theres no place for comments like that :(
 
I certainly would have said something! but she isn't going to talk to riders like that is she, nothing like encouragement is there!
 
Sorry to hear you had a bad experience, the couple times i've done BE80 I found the trainers really helpful and encouraging.

Whilst someone like that shouldn't be in such a position I think no matter where you go or what level you compete at there will always be someone who says negative things about you. As frustrating/upsetting it can be, just ignore them. At the end of the day you're the one sat on the horse competing and providing you're not riding in a way that it dangerous to yourself or others then it doesn't matter how you look or how you're horse goes. Everybody has to start somewhere.
 
I agree that naming & shaming on a forum isn't the correct thing to do (but it isn't going to take a genius to work out who this person was either ;) )
Personally I think you should contact BE to make them aware, if this how the person feels about grassroots riders then they shouldn't be doing the job
 
glamourpuss said:
I agree that naming & shaming on a forum isn't the correct thing to do (but it isn't going to take a genius to work out who this person was either ;) )
Personally I think you should contact BE to make them aware, if this how the person feels about grassroots riders then they shouldn't be doing the job
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I did think about doing that but thought is it a bit over the top, I really felt for all the people in the showjumping ring that she was talking about, I found the other BE trainers to be really helpful and encouraging, all it takes is one person to hear a 'professional ' discussing them like that then thats it confidence is ruined!
 
glamourpuss said:
I agree that naming & shaming on a forum isn't the correct thing to do (but it isn't going to take a genius to work out who this person was either ;) )
Personally I think you should contact BE to make them aware, if this how the person feels about grassroots riders then they shouldn't be doing the job
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I would contact BE - I mean they are trying to have people take up the sport and one of 'their own' is talking in this way, how is this encouraging?
 
Then honestly I think you should inform BE.
It doesn't have to be an all gun blazing attack. Just point out how disappointed you were to hear a trainer talk so disparagingly about grassroots riders.
Hopefully they will just be reminded to keep it buttoned :) at the end of the day if no one pulls this person up the next time they could be overheard by the person.....can you imagine what that could do to someone :(
 
Oh & I misread your post, I thought you were saying it was one of the trainers that are assigned for the class hence why I thought it wouldn't take a genius to work out who it was, sorry
 
glamourpuss said:
Then honestly I think you should inform BE.
It doesn't have to be an all gun blazing attack. Just point out how disappointed you were to hear a trainer talk so disparagingly about grassroots riders.
Hopefully they will just be reminded to keep it buttoned :) at the end of the day if no one pulls this person up the next time they could be overheard by the person.....can you imagine what that could do to someone :(
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Yes I agree, hate to think what she said about my riding! I almost wish that my partner had stayed next to her to hear the comments! chances are if they were horrible I'd probably never do another BE80!
 
I would take it up with BE. Last year the trainer was actively approaching people to help with their warm up which I found very reassuring and helpful. This year the trainer did not move from the area behind the ropes with the stewards.

To be so rude about a competitor is not on. Perhaps the trainer should have approached the rider in the warm up and offered guidance instead of criticism.
 
At some point...that trainer would have been a useless rider...not one of us was born brilliant and most of us, myself included have to make do with being ok.

To discuss a rider with a stranger, especially in a negative way is just unprofessional. I would inform BE.
 
That's a shame. I found the trainers to be really helpful and encouraging when I did it but I suppose there is always one!
 
Terribly unprofessional - she (the trainer) could have been talking to anyone! Bit silly of her.

Yes, I would speak to BE about her and put in a complaint.


There was a thread on here recently about how cr*p riders were at 90 level. I ignored it as didn't want to get involved as would have become nasty. Amazing how many *perfect* riders there are out there who find it amusing to knock others. Makes my blood boil!
 
I was writing for a dressage judge once. It was only an Intro class and things the judge said about each rider was vile. She scared the crap out of me. I now dread to think what judges say about me as I go round ! Lol
 
In fairness the thread about the riding at BE90 was not "let's knock riders" it was more that a lot of people are not riding safely or competently at that level and how can this be addressed.

I would make a complaint to BE though. This is supposed to be when people can come along and are there with the specific view of improving their riding and performance...therefore you expect to see errors. It would be awful to put people off and no one, regardless of who they are should think it is acceptable to sit on the sidelines and be unpleasant.
 
Absolutely appalled - we all start somewhere, I have seen an extremely incompetent person whose horse was too thin because she did not even have feeding right, become extremely competent and now working as a professional within a few years.

No need to be catty. Would not waste my time with them again - there are good ones out there.
 
She was professing a personal opinion out loud which many of us do; just because she's a trainer doesn't make her any different from us and our viewpoints although it might have backfired on her if your BF had been connected to one of the ones she criticized. There are many riders out there that really should not be anywhere near a BE course until they get a lot better, I can see her point..
 
Maesfen said:
She was professing a personal opinion out loud which many of us do; just because she's a trainer doesn't make her any different from us and our viewpoints although it might have backfired on her if your BF had been connected to one of the ones she criticized. There are many riders out there that really should not be anywhere near a BE course until they get a lot better, I can see her point..
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I certainly wouldn't talk about somebodies riding ability like that, T means training!!!
If like you say there are riders that shouldn't be anywhere near a BE course, that is their choice to make, if they aren't what some people class as 'capable' riders they will not get get around the Showjumping course so won't even go onto the xc course.

Being plain rude is not acceptable, working with the competitors in the warm up arena and offering advice and even constructive critics is fine, which is exactly what the other BE accredited trainer was doing!
 
Were they the trainer for the BE(80) classs or not?

I would suggest very stupid of them to go mouthing off to someone they don't know. If the trainer had any concerns about standard of riding they should have reported them to appropriate BE steward.

Sounds like one trainer I had a lesson with - was rude to me and was rude about my horse.
 
wench said:
Were they the trainer for the BE(80) classs or not?

I would suggest very stupid of them to go mouthing off to someone they don't know. If the trainer had any concerns about standard of riding they should have reported them to appropriate BE steward.

Sounds like one trainer I had a lesson with - was rude to me and was rude about my horse.
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There's nothing more soul destroying is there!
Yes they were the trainers for BE80
 
Maesfen said:
She was professing a personal opinion out loud which many of us do; just because she's a trainer doesn't make her any different from us and our viewpoints although it might have backfired on her if your BF had been connected to one of the ones she criticized. There are many riders out there that really should not be anywhere near a BE course until they get a lot better, I can see her point..
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She is being paid to keep her 'personal' opinions to herself and express her 'professional' ones which should be constructive and encouraging as it is a training event.

As for the comment on riders going nowhere near a BE course till they are ready, I can see your point, but that is why they were at a training event. Although I can see why they would avoid them if they hear professionals standing at the edges slating them bitchily.
 
I would suggest that the BE80's are not a "training" event, they include some direction from a trainer.

All prep work, xc schooling, SJ and DR should have been prepared beforehand.
 
It's professional misconduct. She is there not as a private individual but in a professional capacity and representing BE. To behave in that way is not acceptable, she shouldn't be expressing opinions like that full stop and to do so to a perfect stranger is down right moronic. The bottom would fairly swiftly fall out of her business if us 'cr@p' riders ceased having lessons with her.
I appreciate that you don't want to 'make a fuss' but if I were the organiser or BE official I would definitely want to know that person was behaving in this way because it is bad for the sport as a whole and would leave people with a bad experiance of that event. Perhaps you could go through the ERA instead?
As a teacher I find this behaviour abhorent and it makes me really angry, I would NEVER dream of speaking about any of my Students like that and believe me I'm sure the teenagers I teach try my patients a lot more than any of her clients will.
 
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Its not just unkind but I think its silly to mock anyone you make money out of.

Keep your thoughts to yourself as it says far more about the individual than it does the rider. You could be mouthing off to someone who can influence your business / profit levels.
 
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