I am obviously a horse beater...

I competed my 29 year old for years (mainly teamchasing & cross country). She was a honest & keen jumper & I can only remember her stopping twice, as she was such a genuine horse I thought that she did it for good reason (either pilot error or maybe she's been spooked by something I hadn't seen)
Each time I gave her a pat & represented her at the jump & she always jumped it staight way. Not being punished for stopping never didn't have any detrimental effects on her jumping.
If a honest horse puts in a stop I'd always give it the benefit of the doubt.
A lazy or ungenuine horse is a differnt matter .
 
I've just seen your post TicTac, I also don't carry a whip, I don't even own one.
I would always be very reluctant to strike any living creature, although I don't do it I don't have a problem with a smack and I do realise there's a world of difference beween a smack & a beating.
There are people on my yard who do carry whips & use them but they certainly aren't abusing their horses; it's just differnt to how I do things.
It could be because my Dad was a alcoholic who used to lash out fequently so I decided that I have no right to stike any other creature.
I lost my rag with my girl once & I still feel guilty about it 20 years later.
 
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I was sooooooo embarassed when he picked his way one foot at a time over a 2'6" gate in a working hunter class....... he cleared it without a touch but we didn't get many marks for style........

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P.S We do that.
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2'9 workers. Big scary sheep fillers, chicken statues and water trays. And the terrifying Kalli-eating purple flowers. So we trotted up to each on, ground to a halt, had a sniff then dantily hopped over each from a stand still. Didn't clip a thing either
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Oh he didn't hop from a stand still, although he often does, this time he picked over it, one leg at a time, like that Thellwell cartoon with the caption "a careful clear" he's a big maxi cob (clydie cross possibly) and he was soooooo dainty, everyone was wetting themselves with laughter, except me..... I was just bright red!
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Bless him he loves his jumping, he's just not very good at it!
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Shorter crops hit harder, hence why jockeys are very short. It means you can do one short sharp one (at least, that's what I think the reasoning is). I guess that's why the bSJA have a minimum and maximum lengths for whips.

However, I think the main reason is to stop the whip catching the jump wing sending the whole lot crashing down
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you could try a goldfish in his water bucket or trough? and a treat when he doesnt do what he is asked!! i would smack mine hard once if it stopped and wasnt out of its comfort zone!
 
brighthair - I have to say I think you are spitting against the wind over this one. Couldn't believe some of the things I read
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e.g If a horse bites you then you need to look at what is causing it to do this and not punish it for doing so
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My filly decided to try nipping me yesterday while we were on our daily walk
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She was trying to dominate me and I wasn't having it. First time I told her no very firmly. 2nd time she got growled at and pushed away firmly. 3rd time the baggage got a quick tap on her muzzle. Needless to say she didn't do it again.

At 13.1hh at 13 months old I am putting manners in place now as don't fancy being hauled around by a bolshy horse standing at about 15 hh with no manners

Sorry I think I've drivelled on long enough
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but totally agree with you on your view of disciplining a horse
 
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brighthair - I have to say I think you are spitting against the wind over this one. Couldn't believe some of the things I read
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e.g If a horse bites you then you need to look at what is causing it to do this and not punish it for doing so
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My filly decided to try nipping me yesterday while we were on our daily walk
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She was trying to dominate me and I wasn't having it. First time I told her no very firmly. 2nd time she got growled at and pushed away firmly. 3rd time the baggage got a quick tap on her muzzle. Needless to say she didn't do it again.

At 13.1hh at 13 months old I am putting manners in place now as don't fancy being hauled around by a bolshy horse standing at about 15 hh with no manners

Sorry I think I've drivelled on long enough
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but totally agree with you on your view of disciplining a horse

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yup head - brick wall
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brighthair - I have to say I think you are spitting against the wind over this one. Couldn't believe some of the things I read
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e.g If a horse bites you then you need to look at what is causing it to do this and not punish it for doing so
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I think it comes down to knowing your horse though - for example, I used to ride two ponies. One was nippy, and would take a chunk out of you for no reason (back, teeth, saddle etc all checked)- so if he bit he got told off (I personally found a good hard poke on the end of his nose quite effective as it had shock value but each to their own).

The other never bit, ever - so when he got nippy it was looked into and we found he was in pain due to his girth really pinching. We changed the girth and the nipping stopped.

If a horse suddenly started behaving in an out of character way, I would look for the cause first.
 
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