I dont know what to do anymore

BUT the point is Jerry isnt a chronic rearer, or even a confirmed one. This is the first time he has done this, so is that it?
He does one thing wrong so get rid?

What if it is pain related, or what if he just needs some time being schooled again, he has been through a lot in a short space of time.
 
Oh darling.
Its just one of those things.
He is young and just sharp - it happens.
My old TB I had to lunge for nearly an hour before i could sit on him or he'd buck me clean off!
Snoopy will rear straight up too, and its not great fun. I cannot stop him with pulling on the rein as he will just go up with me, so i really do have to slow him down with my seat.
ATM Im having the same problem hes trotting off at a million miles an hour but i cant pull as i know he will react with going upwards.

It will come, it might mean you have to lunge him every time you want to ride him. He does sound like he needs some manner!

Its very cold out there today which wont help matters.

Please dont put yourself down, you are more than capable! hes just being a pig and very unhelpful.
 
I'm sorry you had such a s*tty morning with G. Horses are terrible levellers sometimes.

Firstly a huge well done for getting back on - I'd have been shaking like a leaf - it took guts so big 'ups' for that!

From your posts I've read over the months you've got more than enough talent and guts to deal with G, he's just pushing your boundaries at the moment.

Keep your chin up, you will get there with him and when you do, all this will seem so worth it xxx
 
Id do what amy may suggested try and do a 20 metre circle in canter until he calms down or is not as sharp fizzy! Its works with my horse i will trot and trot or canter him round until i feel he has calmed down enough to listen!
 
Well done for getting back on. I am sure that the weather yesterday wouldn't have improved things so hopefully he won't do that again. One of the things I do in trot with a horse thank tanks is to change diagonal every 4 or 5 strides (or more if necessary). this has the effect of slightly unbalancing the horse and he has to sort himself out rather than leaning on the rider. Honestly - try it, it really works.

Give him another chance, but obviously don't do anything that is going to make you feel scared or worried - it is meant to be fun, after all.
 
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Glad you are ok and well done for getting back on; it's happened and you got over it; hope you won't be too sore.
Is there any chance the poor horse just needs a break from the school and is thoroughly pissed off? Have to admit I don't know the full details of beforehand but put yourself in his shoes; the only time he is ever ridden or worked, is in the school. Now to me, that is just plain boring and dull, I'm sure horses can think like this as well, especially youngsters. Isn't there any chance you could give him a break and not go in the school except after a good hack out where he's been able to let off a bit of steam. Ten minutes good work is worth far more than an hour of struggle. It's just a thought, probably a stupid one, but it's one way to think.

I accept he should never have reared in the first place but it could possibly just be excitement/freshness and boredom; it's hard for a youngish horse to buckle down to just schooling all the time even if he does get plenty of turnout and everything has been checked out; not every horse suits the job we have mapped out for them whether we like it or not.
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Aaaaaaw MH, you poor poor thing.

Firstly, as everyone else has said, HUGE kudos to you for getting back on, i cant imagine how tough that must have been.

Out of interest, how was he when you got back on him? Theres a couple of ways to look at his rearing incident. Is it the first time he has actually been right up? Sometimes rearers start small, find their feet and progress to full blown rearing and it can then be with them for life. Other times, they come over on themselves and scare theirselves stupid. (Incidently, pulling rearers over on themselves is still used as a strategy for "curing" them).

So, dont assume from this that he's going to continue doing it. Falling might have been a pretty nasty shock for him also.

In regards to what a few other people have said, i think horses can be too sharp to ride and in those cases. I dont generally like lunging too much as, for one thing, it makes them fit which is never a great thing in an already hot horse. However when you have an animal that is really too hot to safely have a rider on board, you need alternatives and lunging is undoubtedly one of those.

It sounds like its slightly awkward for you to always be able to lunge before riding, but as others said, id be inclined to try and do that so you can get some kind of idea of what his mood is like before you hop on board. If hes completly hyper and explosive, you being on wont help because you'll be tense and expecting something to go wrong; particularly now. There are times when riding is just not a good idea at all.

Id also be inclined to try and put him in training somewhere to give you a break if nothing else and let someone else get on top of him for you.

Lastly, you aren't a bad rider and nearly everyone who has any involvement in horses will have times where a) they absolutly dont want to get on board and b) feel like they have hit a wall.
 
Really glad u werent more seriously hurt and hope you dont get too sore
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Just skim read the replies so not really sure if its been mentioned, but have you thought about a herbal calmer?
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Might take the edge off him.

I really feel for you...
 
okay, i've been having a think about this one while mucking out.
obv i do not know the horse at all, but in my experience with horses that are instantly "on the boil" when you get on, very busy and quick and rushing, i've found that being as light and as passive as possible, never rising to the challenge if they're spoiling for a fight, works for me.
i just let them trot around in big loops, ovals and circles, and concentrate on staying as gentle and central and light as possible, letting them trot into a light accepting contact, try to slow them with my voice and my rising only, maybe very occasional very light check on outside rein only if absolutely necessary to prevent reaching supersonic speed in trot... i have my legs just hanging there softly, and make no attempt at all to drive them forwards if they're already zooming off. i've found that the lack of a fight (which they were expecting) takes the wind out of their sails and they calm down much more quickly.
have no idea at all if it might work with this horse, just saying what has worked for me.
i may get shot down in flames for saying that i'm happy sitting up there like a passive muppet while i let a horse whiz around with me, but so be it... as i said, it works for me, it's a means to an end, and with a very clever sharp energetic athletic confrontational git of a horse, the last thing i want is a battle...
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OP, hope your back's okay and you're not dwelling on it all too much... he might be angelic tomorrow, that's horses!
 
I have no sensible advice at all, though kerilli's suggestion of letting him go for a bit and disarming him by not putting up resistance when he is expecting it sounds really good. I just wanted to say you're really brave for getting back on, and i hope you can persevere with him and work through this "stupid period" of his. Good luck.
 
You poor thing, I hope you are okay.
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By the sounds of it this is a one off and this is the point where J will start to turn a corner. Lunge him for a few days until he is absolutely exhausted and then get on him when the time is right and you know he is past being a git! You obviously know what you are doing so time to take energy out of him. I agree in that there are so many good sharp young horses like this and it isn't so unusual.
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Personally i would get him xrayed to rule out any problems with his back.....Its all very well having the physio out, but she cant tell if theres a problem such as KS. Id call the vet and take him in to rule it out. Then you can no for definate its psychological.
 
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yep the sharp difficult ones always nearly turn out the best in the end !!! they just take a little longer

Had the same type of problem with one of my dressage horses - it has taken him until he is 8 to be ready to work. He flipped over backwards a couple of years ago with somebody who has represented GB at Olympic level riding him, now he is a different horse but it has taken a few years to get to the point where he is willing to settle to his work and become trainable. However, I now have the most stunning horse which judges love because he is so impressive. Definately worth the heartache of those difficult early years
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You may find he will never rear again after tipping himself up. However, it may be worth lunging and lunging the little git and putting him under ALOT of pressure on the lunge until you get the reaction of a rear/bronc whatever, and then either send him forwards with the whip, or put him off balance if he rears, I may get shot down, but I had a rearer and the only way I solved it was if it had me off, I put him on the lunge and worked it solidly for a long time so it worked out that putting me on the floor was more uncomfortable than me being on it. Also pulling them over does work....as unpleasant as it is, they will only do it once...if it carries on doing it when you have had it on the floor or it has put itself on the floor, I wouldnt perevere because it means they have NO self preservation and that is the only thing that keeps us safe IMO....

Huge hugs hon, and fingers crossed for you. xx
 
You won't get shot down by me
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Its a soft landing in a school and better the little git quits rearing than ends up injuring someone!

Hope you're ok MH xx
 
agreed. although most horses really frighten themselves when they go over backwards, they have to be totally brainless to do it twice/not care.
if it's his first time of doing it, and he just flung himself up and lost his balance (as opposed to one that really knew what it was doing), then he'll hopefully never do it again.
 
I can not offer any advise to you at all I'm afraid but offer big (((((hugs))))) you are one damn brave lady to get back on him, theres no way I could of done that. You are a fantastic rider, you know you are, you'll just had the wind knocked out of you, literally. I hope that your ok and not too sore. Take care xx
 
i agreewith KatB, I had a mare who would rear as soon as she threw her toys out of the pram, so whenever she didntwant to do something, long reined her and when she did it pulled her over on herself, it shocked her.
 
Ive just had a long chat with my boss, she thinks I should get rid, I think I should keep trying. I couldn't get rid of him now anyway, as we are still wary of him getting another infection, couldn't risk someone not noticing (well that's my excuse, tbh I couldn't bare to part with him and see someone get the hang of him, I want to be the one that competes him!)

I will keep at the lunging, I have ruined one corner of the field so might as well just carry on. Would you lunge him and make him work? or just loose in a headcollar to let of steam?

I Think he scares me, which no horse has done before, (I mean horses have made me nervous but never scared) I have to somehow stop myself being scared of him
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He has now in total thrown me off and broken my leg, fallen on me in a lesson, and reared on top of me, which when you say it all together doesnt sound very good

BUT he is going to be such a fabulous horse when I get the better of him....
 
I will lunge him tomorrow and completly knacker him (although did this yesterday lol) and then again on sunday. I was supposed to be having a lesson on him on tuesday, so maybe we can work though it there. He has done a few little rears before, normally when he was napping a bit, but nothing like this. If he does it again, what should I do?
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WORK him - if you are doing anything with him then you make him listen to you and WORK WORK WORK - just my op! If you want him to let of steam then loose school, but still try and make him listen to you.

I cannot answer whether you should get rid or not - its your decision, just please be careful xxx
 
If I was you, I would take him to a good instructor for some lessons to get your confidence back on him. I think once you get that back, you'll be off
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Well is he worth your life,?

Seriously madhector you are a good rider with your future ahead of you. He may turn out to be the next Toy Town and take you to 4 star glory of he may kill you.

I can't decide for you, but why let this one horse completely shatter your confidence when there are many more out there?
 
Yes he had pretty much everything xrayed when he went to rossdales, nothing funny going on anywhere

He is actually better lunged from a head collar than anything else, don't know why, took us ages to get the lunging sorted, and now I put anything like side reins onto the bit, with a head collar underneath which the lunge rein attaches too, seems to work well with him
 
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He has done a few little rears before, normally when he was napping a bit, but nothing like this. If he does it again, what should I do?
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what does he do if you hit him, and I mean REALLY whack him with a good solid crop, will he fight against you more or do you think he will submit?

Because how he reacts depends if you need to go down the ignoring him route, or tough love route.
 
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Ive just had a long chat with my boss, she thinks I should get rid, I think I should keep trying. I couldn't get rid of him now anyway, as we are still wary of him getting another infection, couldn't risk someone not noticing (well that's my excuse, tbh I couldn't bare to part with him and see someone get the hang of him, I want to be the one that competes him!)

I will keep at the lunging, I have ruined one corner of the field so might as well just carry on. Would you lunge him and make him work? or just loose in a headcollar to let of steam?

I Think he scares me, which no horse has done before, (I mean horses have made me nervous but never scared) I have to somehow stop myself being scared of him
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He has now in total thrown me off and broken my leg, fallen on me in a lesson, and reared on top of me, which when you say it all together doesnt sound very good

BUT he is going to be such a fabulous horse when I get the better of him....

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...if you get the better of him honey. Sorry to sound so negative, but I agree in kind with S_V, riding should be fun, and at the moment all he's doing is scaring you.

But, assuming you do persevere with him then yes, when you lunge him, make the b*gger work! He needs to learn some manners, and some respect, making him knuckle down will help you with that.

We've had similar probs with SWUO, and I know there is no comparison between a smart ar$e welshy, and your big beasty, but the only way to get any sense out of the little madam is to not back down, make her work through her tantrums(quite spectacular ones for such a little pony
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Good luck honey, do let us know how you get on with him.

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Ive just had a long chat with my boss, she thinks I should get rid, I think I should keep trying. I couldn't get rid of him now anyway, as we are still wary of him getting another infection, couldn't risk someone not noticing (well that's my excuse, tbh I couldn't bare to part with him and see someone get the hang of him, I want to be the one that competes him!)

I will keep at the lunging, I have ruined one corner of the field so might as well just carry on. Would you lunge him and make him work? or just loose in a headcollar to let of steam?

I Think he scares me, which no horse has done before, (I mean horses have made me nervous but never scared) I have to somehow stop myself being scared of him
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He has now in total thrown me off and broken my leg, fallen on me in a lesson, and reared on top of me, which when you say it all together doesnt sound very good

BUT he is going to be such a fabulous horse when I get the better of him....

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FWIW - you may remember Twiggy - she was going to eb such a fab horse when I got the better of her. I tried everything - lunging her into the ground just made her fitter, she had every check under the sun. She is the only horse who has scared me too. On the flip side she had fabulous paces (when going forwards and not standing on 2 legs!) and could jump anything - but only when she wanted to - sometimes she'd jump a 1.10 oxer, sometimes you could not get her over a pole on the ground. I kept going for 2 years. She reared and went over with me 3 times in total. I now have a horse I can have fun on and who is equally as talented, but a hell of a lot more trainable.

I think what I am trying to say is: it costs as much if not more to keep one you don't get on with as one you do; you have nothing to prove; it is infinitely more fun on one which works with you and you are not scared of; it is heartbreaking to make that decision to give up with them. I did in the end with her. I fully understand you persevering, I did it for so long, but i do look back and wonder why I tried for so long, therefore I would give yourself a set time limit and stick to it - for example the spring (i.e.March) seems sensible to me. It's a better time to sell, and if you haven't worked him out by then, I'd hazard a guess you probably won't. It's so hard to be objective about these things where emotions are involved, so hugs to you and hope you work it out.
 
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