I don't understand why some people just don't get it

And you sound like exactly the sort of person who will go through farrier after farrier until you finish up with some plonker who puts shoes on backwards and upside down because that's all you can get.

"Big girls blaaawse" - LOL! Anything less like you've never met!
 
I don't have any hard standing or running water at my field so I have no choice but to present my horses muddy and wet. My farrier just wipes their feet off with an old cloth.

However, i do think this is beside the point. If I had the facilities i would absolutely dry them off.......i just don't have the option!
 
shall we see who can get the last word on this? Water on jeans - fascinating subject. We could have another "Hannah" thread - might be fun, wot you think?
 
We always have ours in with legs washed well before the farrier arrives and the home baking ready. I can't believe people think its ok, to not clean their horses legs.
I used to rent a field with no facilities, luckily there was a ford further down the road, so i used to walk my pony down and through the ford, cleaned his legs up lovely.
 
Knock yourself out.
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Goodnight, I have a well shod horse to go and ride.
 
Ours are done straight off the field... hooves picked out/wiped of to the best of our ability, but I can't see our farrier (rightly or wrongly) refusing to do them because they are muddy. He always wears a farriers apron, so surely it would be that and not his jeans that got wet anyway?!

Ho hum, obviousy my horses' shoes are on upside down and back to front...
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that's certainly been my experience too. But my farrier often shoes the dogs by mistake, so I'm thinking of changing to one who has nice, dry jeans.
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I think the point is more, that this farrier was expected to collect horses from muddy field!!!

But i read from OP that these folk work and have stabling, so surely most logically and pratical thing would be to have horse stabled and dosh in envelope waiting for farrier.

Plus farrier has card asking them to have horses in with clean legs, only fair, if that's the contract this farrier has with his clients.
 
Yes - but don't we all work - wolves and doors etc!

Why don't these people work out a rota system, whereby one of them takes a few hours off work when the farrier is due. Then he would not have to wade through acres of mud to fetch in wet horses.
Build up a few lunch-hours "not taken" or do a few hours overtime in lieu.
Then the time is there - very simple really.
Depends I suppose, on their priorities.
However, their horses do not sound as if they are very high on that particular list.
 
I think the point is, that these people have stables and could have had the horses clean dry and ready. And as for expecting the farrier to catch as well. That is so rude. I don't think it would occur to most of us to behave like this.

I'm sure most farriers wouldn't gripe at doing a muddy horse either, where there are no other facilities and the owner has done their best to prepare.

I think surely a better job must be done with clean dry feet and legs and a reasonably clean hardstanding?
 
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Tend to agree with you there - 100%.
Does anyone know this Rotchana's farrier?
He might like to be told just how much this person does NOT appreciate him and seems to think he has SUCH an easy job.

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Gosh, you do write some unpleasant posts...
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i defo think they are 'stupid people' and thinking that someone else will sort their horses out...................... ER NOT farrier and most yards i know will defo want dosh for bringing in horses in for farrier, as they should be.

IMO total lack of respect for their farrier!
 
I would never expect a farrier to have to catch from the field unless it was by particular arrangement.

Mine doesn't seem bothered by wet legs but I dry them off best as I am able.

The others always leave their horses ready and go home though so I always end up standing with them all as I feel a bit rude leaving him to put the other's horses away! That would be my only gripe.


ETS I always forget about the bucket of water but then I am always there to run and get it when reminded LOL
 
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Tend to agree with you there - 100%.
Does anyone know this Rotchana's farrier?
He might like to be told just how much this person does NOT appreciate him and seems to think he has SUCH an easy job.

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Gosh, you do write some unpleasant posts...
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NO - always just honest and to the point.
If you were this person's farrier, would you like to be bad-mouthed in the way that she is doing to hers?
 
print this out and give it to them its from the FRC website

Make sure that your clients are aware of their responsibilities under this Section.
It is the client’s responsibility to provide:

a. a clean, dry standing with good light and a non-slip surface
b. a secure, safe ring to which the horse can be tied
c. protection from rain, wind and bad weather
d. a properly fitted, sound head collar/halter with a good rope of adequate length
e. competent assistance

The client should ensure that:

a. the shoeing area is safe for horse and farrier
b. the horse is used to being handled and, if appropriate, has a companion animal close by
 
We always make sure that the horses are in, that their legs are clean and dry. And that the kettle is on! The farrier's job is to shoe the horses. Not bring them in and out of the field etc. I know some farriers do, that's their call. But as owners we shouldn't expect that.
 
My farrier also refuses to shoe if the horses are all muddy and wet. I think it is perfectly reasonable tbh, his job is hard enough but to be expected to get even more filthy and wet than normal is pushing it imo
 
If it happens once i will ask the owners politely not to do it again but for me the annoyance comes more when someone is late for their appointment as this puts me behind and prevents me from bieng on time for everyone after. The only way i can be on time is if the owner is on time. (and by ontime i mean horse in and dry and ready).

We have to be very careful with how we ask things even though some may think its common courtesy etc others will try and ruin your reputation at the drop of a hat and out of spite.

I like the charging per foot idea i may have to take that on board but everyone of my clients gets one 'warning' like cancelling last minute... this i dont understand unless its a total emergency you KNEW six weeks before exactly when i was coming and i think its rude to text me the night before to cancel. I prevent this by giving one warning and saying that if done again i will be charging them half the bill for wasting my time. I am a busy man and could have put another client in that space had i had appropriate warning. As it is all i have is wasted time and money and having to turn others away because i thought i couldnt fit them in. *end rant* sorry
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Actually i dont mind being dirty for my job but did you ever stop to think how dangerous it is to combine sharp tools and hot metal with muddy horses. It leads to far more accidents and one accident and my career is over. Its not about smelling pretty is about safety!!

I also know i will get wet if it rains and that not all my clients can provide stabling... this too is not an issue as long as they know i will cancel the appointment if the weather is too awful to work in. Especially this time of year when light is poor, again this is a safety issue for us. so if the weather is bad and you have no cover is it that unreasonable for me to cancel the appointment? I dont do this very often.

But back to the muddy horses its dangerous. And how can we be expected to do a good job if i cant see your horses feet properly???

All this boils down to is people preventing us from doing the best job we can and putting us at risk. Its not worth our whole career to try and shoe your muddy wet horse especially if its not the best behaved horse either. I hope people realise that mainly i am talking extremes here but its still more dangerous to shoe and wet and muddy horse than a dry one.

ETA as long as the clients who have to bring the horse straight off the field have made an effort to towel down the legs and hooves thats all most of us are asking.
 
I pay my Farrier to trim feet, not drag them in out of a field, he says that for a few clients he does do untended horses if they are stalled and he knows them, the majority are trims anyway. What he does stipulate is that all horses MUST be under cover, when there's a blizzard out there and it is 25 below you don't even bother getting out of the truck if there is no barn. A bit of respect and courtesy on both sides goes a long way.

Plus, huge plus, I have a stallion, mares, foals and youngsters, in the same barn, sometimes up to a dozen horses. I don't expect ANYONE to handle the stallion, or to know the routine that they are all used to with regards to them being bought in and seen to safely.
 
Go back to Page 1 - to Post # 18 (I think).
Not a great idea really to bad-mouth farriers - you might just end up with un-shod and footy horses - and not a farrier in sight who will visit you.
A very small world believe it or not - and farriers DO talk to each other.
Also, look at the post made by A FARRIER.
This says everything one really needs to know.
 
To be honest it's another "how much common sense does a person hold about them" case. Anyone with a normal amount thinks it wise to keep horses in- those who turn out are a bit like the women who have a spray tan and then go for a swim and a sauna session.
 
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shall we see who can get the last word on this? Water on jeans - fascinating subject. We could have another "Hannah" thread - might be fun, wot you think?

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How odd. I can't find any other words. I'm just gobsmacked that you think it constitutes as being acceptable to present your horse to any professional, in that state! I wouldn't expect my vet to examine a wet, dirty horse unless it was an emergency; I wouldn't expect a saddler to adjust my mouldy saddle and I wouldn't expect my farrier to deal with my horses' filthy, wet feet - their FEET need to be clean in order for them to be shod. It's not just a matter of him going away with dirty jeans!
 
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If it happens once i will ask the owners politely not to do it again but for me the annoyance comes more when someone is late for their appointment as this puts me behind and prevents me from bieng on time for everyone after. The only way i can be on time is if the owner is on time. (and by ontime i mean horse in and dry and ready).

We have to be very careful with how we ask things even though some may think its common courtesy etc others will try and ruin your reputation at the drop of a hat and out of spite.

I like the charging per foot idea i may have to take that on board but everyone of my clients gets one 'warning' like cancelling last minute... this i dont understand unless its a total emergency you KNEW six weeks before exactly when i was coming and i think its rude to text me the night before to cancel. I prevent this by giving one warning and saying that if done again i will be charging them half the bill for wasting my time. I am a busy man and could have put another client in that space had i had appropriate warning. As it is all i have is wasted time and money and having to turn others away because i thought i couldnt fit them in. *end rant* sorry
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Actually i dont mind being dirty for my job but did you ever stop to think how dangerous it is to combine sharp tools and hot metal with muddy horses. It leads to far more accidents and one accident and my career is over. Its not about smelling pretty is about safety!!

I also know i will get wet if it rains and that not all my clients can provide stabling... this too is not an issue as long as they know i will cancel the appointment if the weather is too awful to work in. Especially this time of year when light is poor, again this is a safety issue for us. so if the weather is bad and you have no cover is it that unreasonable for me to cancel the appointment? I dont do this very often.

But back to the muddy horses its dangerous. And how can we be expected to do a good job if i cant see your horses feet properly???

All this boils down to is people preventing us from doing the best job we can and putting us at risk. Its not worth our whole career to try and shoe your muddy wet horse especially if its not the best behaved horse either. I hope people realise that mainly i am talking extremes here but its still more dangerous to shoe and wet and muddy horse than a dry one.

ETA as long as the clients who have to bring the horse straight off the field have made an effort to towel down the legs and hooves thats all most of us are asking.

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Hi James!!
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Ive always got a towel kicking about in the car, we've been pretty lucky so far with the weather
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Id be glad if you cancelled on me if its raining
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See you in the new year
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Tend to agree with you there - 100%.
Does anyone know this Rotchana's farrier?
He might like to be told just how much this person does NOT appreciate him and seems to think he has SUCH an easy job.

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Gosh, you do write some unpleasant posts...
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Agreed - she's off again
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This woman comes across as a total half-wit - with no respect whatsoever for her farrier.
I do so hope that he can identify her and take her off his list.
Best thing now, I think, is to ignore her.
 
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