I have an uncomfortable Mimosa

sbloom said:
I think that's right. I know very many paraprofessionals who are anti scoping, things need to change.
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I'd missed this earlier. Sorry, but it is the 'paraprofessionals' (whatever that means) who need to buck up their ideas. Chucking gastroguard willy nilly at horses who may not even have ulcers is highly irresponsible.

I'm disappointed that you posted that, but I hope that you are now aware why a scope is recommended, and it is not to line vet's pockets.

You need to know what you are treating.
 
Tiddlypom said:
I'd missed this earlier. Sorry, but it is the 'paraprofessionals' (whatever that means) who need to buck up their ideas. Chucking gastroguard willy nilly at horses who may not even have ulcers is highly irresponsible.

You need to know what you are treating.
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That is not what they're doing and not what I said. They are working with vets, or without drugs. What's got into HHO today?
 
I paid for a months worth of gastroguard and sucralfate once as i was 100% sure my horse had ulcers - had every symptom and had previously had them, i didnt want to put her through another scope.

turned out to not be ulcers and to be close vertebrae under the saddle area causing the issues.
Soo £900ish down the drain on the ulcer meds !:oops:

i hope the vet visit goes ok LG. Lovely palamino youve got there:)
 
Zoeypxo said:
I paid for a months worth of gastroguard and sucralfate once as i was 100% sure my horse had ulcers - had every symptom and had previously had them, i didnt want to put her through another scope.

turned out to not be ulcers and to be close vertebrae under the saddle area causing the issues.
Soo £900ish down the drain on the ulcer meds !:oops:

i hope the vet visit goes ok LG. Lovely palamino youve got there:)
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Thanks @Zoeypxo - she’s very well otherwise so I’m hopeful it’s nothing serious. If you didn’t know her, you wouldn’t think there was an issue. I just don’t want to take any chances as she’s very special to us.
 
Full lameness exam today, which made it clear that she is not engaging properly behind. Ultrasound of stifles showed slight effusion in the right hand side joint but not significant effusion, and something which could be a bit of raggedy meniscus. But not clearly a tear.

So we blocked… and no change. Vet thinks there isn’t enough evidence to suggest medicating the joint is necessary.

So no closer to an answer really.

Tomorrow is scoping day, and we are scanning ovaries.
 
LadyGascoyne said:
Full lameness exam today, which made it clear that she is not engaging properly behind. Ultrasound of stifles showed slight effusion in the right hand side joint but not significant effusion, and something which could be a bit of raggedy meniscus. But not clearly a tear.

So we blocked… and no change. Vet thinks there isn’t enough evidence to suggest medicating the joint is necessary.

So no closer to an answer really.

Tomorrow is scoping day, and we are scanning ovaries.
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Good luck tomorrow, hoping you find an answer.
 
Fingers crossed you get a useful answer, she’s my absolute favourite HHO horse. (Incidentally, I saw a post about scoping the other day, horse in the US, owners and vets were sure it was ulcers but scoped just to be sure, turned out no ulcers but the horse had a mass of bot larvae pushing their way through the stomach wall 🤢)
 
BBP said:
Fingers crossed you get a useful answer, she’s my absolute favourite HHO horse. (Incidentally, I saw a post about scoping the other day, horse in the US, owners and vets were sure it was ulcers but scoped just to be sure, turned out no ulcers but the horse had a mass of bot larvae pushing their way through the stomach wall 🤢)
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Seen this in a horse too before!!
 
And we have ulcers!

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Nothing else significant, ovaries normal.

So a very sad, forlorn Mim arrived back at our livery yard this evening. Weekly jabs, and then rescope in 4 weeks.

I have put all the horses into livery for a week so they are all together. I am convinced Mim has been stressing because she can’t find Miri, and I keep coming home smelling of her so Mim hasn’t moved on. It has only been since Miri has been away that she has been showing signs of discomfort.

Then next week, Miri and Mim can come home and be together.
 
I am so glad you have found something. There is nothing so worrying as finding nothing.

F had grade 2 ulcers of the lesser curvature.
He had 4 full and 2 half injections as on the second scope they hadn’t completely healed.
His behaviour was extreme, he threw himself about and tried to rear when most badly affected.
I think his may have been caused by living alone.
He had 2 pots of Sucralfate as well and, vet recommended, NAF Gastriaid for a further few months.
He is pretty much fine after a year but we are now trying to cure FWS ( see my thread if anyone is interested )
I think once the omeprazole works plus finding the possible cause of the ulcers if she is anything like F she will recover quickly.
photo for reference
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So glad you have answers and have something that is treatable even though it is sad that Mim is uncomfy. Hopefully she will be back in magnificent form again soon. I do think that we completely underestimate the stress horses can feel in unstable herd situations, even if those have to be that for really good reasons.. I think because we are generally used to buying/selling/moving horses/sending them for schooling/veterinary help/rehab, that we take for granted their social resilience when in fact horses are massively dependent on their herdmates for all sorts of reasons. Our equestrian context isn't particularly well set up to help them in that way but lucky Mimosa that you were able to see her discomfort and can hopefully resolve the root cause. I hope Mim and Miri help each other on in their recovery and are soon back at home. :) Hope you are ok too!
 
Really interesting to read this. The area you describe Mimosa having pain is the same area my mare has the same.

We scoped but she has a very healthy (no ulcer) stomach. My vets pleased with her movement and isn’t sure what else to try, physio can’t pick anything up. 😔 Might try a Bute trial next.

Did Mimosa stop reacting to this area once the ulcers were treated? We were questioning if to treat for hind gut ulcers.
 
Hormonal Filly said:
Really interesting to read this. The area you describe Mimosa having pain is the same area my mare has the same.

We scoped but she has a very healthy (no ulcer) stomach. My vets pleased with her movement and isn’t sure what else to try, physio can’t pick anything up. 😔 Might try a Bute trial next.

Did Mimosa stop reacting to this area once the ulcers were treated? We were questioning if to treat for hind gut ulcers.
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Have you tried aloe vera juice? Or coligone? Something like that?
 
Barton Bounty said:
Have you tried aloe vera juice? Or coligone? Something like that?
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No I haven’t. Would ulcer symptoms come and seemingly go? She hasn’t been sore the last couple of days although been ridden. Although I did put the girth up an extra hole compared to normal today, unless it’s because of that. 🤔
 
Hormonal Filly said:
No I haven’t. Would ulcer symptoms come and seemingly go? She hasn’t been sore the last couple of days although been ridden. Although I did put the girth up an extra hole compared to normal today, unless it’s because of that. 🤔
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Yeah they do come and go, have you tried feeding her a little chaff before riding? Just so she has something in her tummy?
 
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