A1fie
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QR - Tarrsteps - that was exactly what I wanted to say but you put it so much better!!
i have come to the conclusion
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MotherOfChickens
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Zipping up my flame suit . . .
I'm now old enough to remember the "old days" and if I remember correctly there were a fair number of bad riders and wrecked horses back then, too. What we didn't have was the internet or a million "regular rider" magazines to let us know about everybody's problems in minute and repeated detail. I remember seeing some scary, scary instances of "horsemanship" and care - the sort of thing anyone on here would call the RSPCA about, let along butt in about - go practically un-commented on not because everyone was ignorant, but because the general attitude was quite a bit more permissive. The bad side of the coin.
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agreed with your whole post, it was too long to quote all of it though
absolutely, I also know of some novice adults that have done the right thing-bought a good horse and kept it at a training livery where its properly cared for and schooled by the YO regularly so that the horse remains a schoolmaster.
attitudes in the horse world have changed-some for the good and some not.
Zipping up my flame suit . . .
I'm now old enough to remember the "old days" and if I remember correctly there were a fair number of bad riders and wrecked horses back then, too. What we didn't have was the internet or a million "regular rider" magazines to let us know about everybody's problems in minute and repeated detail. I remember seeing some scary, scary instances of "horsemanship" and care - the sort of thing anyone on here would call the RSPCA about, let along butt in about - go practically un-commented on not because everyone was ignorant, but because the general attitude was quite a bit more permissive. The bad side of the coin.
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agreed with your whole post, it was too long to quote all of it though
absolutely, I also know of some novice adults that have done the right thing-bought a good horse and kept it at a training livery where its properly cared for and schooled by the YO regularly so that the horse remains a schoolmaster.
attitudes in the horse world have changed-some for the good and some not.
help1
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Tarr steps you are so right - but i do think there is a more prevalent culture that people will do well and gets results quickly. Therein, in my experience, lies the problem, it takes time and hard work and importantly learning from your mistakes and perhaps being a tadge more humble about abilities and experience.
TarrSteps
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Oh, and I should say in my adult professional life I've never been expected to tell the various types of feeds - including varieties of hay - or take apart and put together a bridle blindfolded. Nor has anyone measured the banks in my stalls with a ruler since I was 14, or freaked out because I didn't wash all the buckets and feed tubs after every feed or brush my horses 4x at day . . .
skewbaldpony
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Oh, and I should say in my adult professional life I've never been expected to tell the various types of feeds - including varieties of hay - or take apart and put together a bridle blindfolded. Nor has anyone measured the banks in my stalls with a ruler since I was 14, or freaked out because I didn't wash all the buckets and feed tubs after every feed or brush my horses 4x at day . . .
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How did you get away with the latter part with the Germans?! I blooming didn't
I kind of half agree with you, but I'm sorry, Riding Schools these days are too busy marketing themselves and saying 'fab' and 'funky' about everything. Also children are too indulged. If the RS told the kids they were utter cr*p as people used to tell us, they'd go running home to mummy who'd probably sue them for abuse.
It's all about Self Esteem, not just in riding but in everything else. And self esteem is dandy if you have something about yourself to esteem.
Doing the hard yards went out with decimalisation, I think
Oh, and I should say in my adult professional life I've never been expected to tell the various types of feeds - including varieties of hay - or take apart and put together a bridle blindfolded. Nor has anyone measured the banks in my stalls with a ruler since I was 14, or freaked out because I didn't wash all the buckets and feed tubs after every feed or brush my horses 4x at day . . .
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How did you get away with the latter part with the Germans?! I blooming didn't
I kind of half agree with you, but I'm sorry, Riding Schools these days are too busy marketing themselves and saying 'fab' and 'funky' about everything. Also children are too indulged. If the RS told the kids they were utter cr*p as people used to tell us, they'd go running home to mummy who'd probably sue them for abuse.
It's all about Self Esteem, not just in riding but in everything else. And self esteem is dandy if you have something about yourself to esteem.
Doing the hard yards went out with decimalisation, I think
help1
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Absolutely but I bet you do know almost instintively when something is wrong and that you wouldn't expect immediate results. Although have to admit have been known to be a tad OCD ish about stable management *puts away her tape measure, white stable rubber and water bucket scrubbing brush*!
0ldmare
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Tarrsteps, I agree with almost everything you said.
The only exception being that I am one of the ones who has returned a horse. In fact I have returned 2 horses
(I have been riding for over 40 yrs tho', so probably not quite as bad as it sounds!)
Horse 1 landed my blacksmith in hospital and quite frankly I dont want a horse thats dangerous. (It was lovely to ride as it happens - a real shame
). It also kicked the lovely lady who had her horse here at the time and double barrelled me, missing me by a whisker - all in 1 week.
Horse 2 was also very nice to ride, but you couldnt lead it - it just charged off whenever it felt like it - even in a chiffney. Having coaxed it into the stable with scoops of food it was a case of open the door and YEE HAA off it went to the field having smashed you into the doorframe or whatever. YES I might have fixed the 2nd horse but it would have been a struggle, it would probably always have done it unless you were on guard and at 10 years old was pretty used to getting away with it. At the end of the day I had negotiated a 7 day trial and so back it went. Does that make me wrong? Should I have lived with both horses just because 1 didnt kick me when I tried it and the other didnt flatten me?
I do think this whole thing is 6 to 1, half a dozen to the other - there are people who over estimate their abilities, there are sellers who are unscrupulous and there are also unfortunate circumstances where nobody is really to blame, but for some reason a new horse and rider just werent meant to be together
I do agree though, the blame/lets sue culture is certainly no help!
The only exception being that I am one of the ones who has returned a horse. In fact I have returned 2 horses
Horse 1 landed my blacksmith in hospital and quite frankly I dont want a horse thats dangerous. (It was lovely to ride as it happens - a real shame
Horse 2 was also very nice to ride, but you couldnt lead it - it just charged off whenever it felt like it - even in a chiffney. Having coaxed it into the stable with scoops of food it was a case of open the door and YEE HAA off it went to the field having smashed you into the doorframe or whatever. YES I might have fixed the 2nd horse but it would have been a struggle, it would probably always have done it unless you were on guard and at 10 years old was pretty used to getting away with it. At the end of the day I had negotiated a 7 day trial and so back it went. Does that make me wrong? Should I have lived with both horses just because 1 didnt kick me when I tried it and the other didnt flatten me?
I do think this whole thing is 6 to 1, half a dozen to the other - there are people who over estimate their abilities, there are sellers who are unscrupulous and there are also unfortunate circumstances where nobody is really to blame, but for some reason a new horse and rider just werent meant to be together
I do agree though, the blame/lets sue culture is certainly no help!
TarrSteps
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The Germans were in Canada so they'd gone soft.
Also they were too busy telling me I couldn't ride one side of a dead horse and bemoaning the generally poor standard of riding everywhere other than Germany (or more specifically, whatever school they'd been taught at) . . . I think they saw themselves as missionaries for the cause, trapped on the dark frontier where no one knew how to do a half halt.
I do agree with you, actually - I'm all for a swift kick and find it's difficult to get dedicated enough instruction at almost every level these days, at least by my perhaps unreasonable standards. It is possible to be encouraging AND maintain high standards but I do think that's more work that most people have EVER wanted to do. Maybe the tide is turning a bit though - at the higher levels most of the Teams have gone back to at least some sort of objective system where the opinions of the olders and betters count for something. These things do tend to go in waves.
Honestly, I think many people coming late into riding WANT a more educational, high standard approach. Most of the adult first time owners I meet are very successful in their "other" lives (which is why they can finally afford a horse) and don't really want to suck at anything. But they find it difficult - as a couple of people on here have pointed out - to get already knowledgeable people to take them sufficiently seriously without being expected to constantly grovel and apologise for not magically knowing everything immediately. And the people who might help them are increasingly so scared of making any sort of mistake or even just having something go wrong that they don't want to open themselves up to it. So the adults end up getting taught by people who are so sure they are always right and know everything they never doubt themselves . . . a sure sign of someone who doesn't know enough to know there are things they don't know. And eventually the adults figure out that these people are actually NOT that knowledgeable, at which point they either become thoroughly disillusioned or, if they're lucky, happen on to someone a little better and move up the scale.
But they can't simply go around making the same mistakes as kids do. They don't have time, they don't bounce and they don't have other people heavily invested in looking after them. It makes the learning process very different. Those of us that rode as kids are lucky, we got to learn a lot of stuff when we didn't actually have to be responsible for the outcome. Other people actually picked up the pieces however much we might have got in trouble. It is true, with people now increasingly afraid of taking responsibility for anyone else, this it increasingly denied anyone trying to learn now.
Btw, I was reviewing my driving skills yesterday (have to take my UK test finally) and the instructor said NEVER flash your lights or wave at a car you are letting through a gap. If you do and they get hit by a car behind you/hit a pedestrian etc. YOU can be help partly responsible . . . absolutely insane. So we mess with a good system because people who are deemed responsible enough to be driving a car can't be expected to look out for themselves at all.
I do agree with you, actually - I'm all for a swift kick and find it's difficult to get dedicated enough instruction at almost every level these days, at least by my perhaps unreasonable standards. It is possible to be encouraging AND maintain high standards but I do think that's more work that most people have EVER wanted to do. Maybe the tide is turning a bit though - at the higher levels most of the Teams have gone back to at least some sort of objective system where the opinions of the olders and betters count for something. These things do tend to go in waves.
Honestly, I think many people coming late into riding WANT a more educational, high standard approach. Most of the adult first time owners I meet are very successful in their "other" lives (which is why they can finally afford a horse) and don't really want to suck at anything. But they find it difficult - as a couple of people on here have pointed out - to get already knowledgeable people to take them sufficiently seriously without being expected to constantly grovel and apologise for not magically knowing everything immediately. And the people who might help them are increasingly so scared of making any sort of mistake or even just having something go wrong that they don't want to open themselves up to it. So the adults end up getting taught by people who are so sure they are always right and know everything they never doubt themselves . . . a sure sign of someone who doesn't know enough to know there are things they don't know. And eventually the adults figure out that these people are actually NOT that knowledgeable, at which point they either become thoroughly disillusioned or, if they're lucky, happen on to someone a little better and move up the scale.
But they can't simply go around making the same mistakes as kids do. They don't have time, they don't bounce and they don't have other people heavily invested in looking after them. It makes the learning process very different. Those of us that rode as kids are lucky, we got to learn a lot of stuff when we didn't actually have to be responsible for the outcome. Other people actually picked up the pieces however much we might have got in trouble. It is true, with people now increasingly afraid of taking responsibility for anyone else, this it increasingly denied anyone trying to learn now.
Btw, I was reviewing my driving skills yesterday (have to take my UK test finally) and the instructor said NEVER flash your lights or wave at a car you are letting through a gap. If you do and they get hit by a car behind you/hit a pedestrian etc. YOU can be help partly responsible . . . absolutely insane. So we mess with a good system because people who are deemed responsible enough to be driving a car can't be expected to look out for themselves at all.
TarrSteps
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Tarrsteps, I agree with almost everything you said.
The only exception being that I am one of the ones who has returned a horse. In fact I have returned 2 horses
(I have been riding for over 40 yrs tho', so probably not quite as bad as it sounds!)
Horse 1 landed my blacksmith in hospital and quite frankly I dont want a horse thats dangerous. (It was lovely to ride as it happens - a real shame
). It also kicked the lovely lady who had her horse here at the time and double barrelled me, missing me by a whisker - all in 1 week.
Horse 2 was also very nice to ride, but you couldnt lead it - it just charged off whenever it felt like it - even in a chiffney. Having coaxed it into the stable with scoops of food it was a case of open the door and YEE HAA off it went to the field having smashed you into the doorframe or whatever. YES I might have fixed the 2nd horse but it would have been a struggle, it would probably always have done it unless you were on guard and at 10 years old was pretty used to getting away with it. At the end of the day I had negotiated a 7 day trial and so back it went. Does that make me wrong? Should I have lived with both horses just because 1 didnt kick me when I tried it and the other didnt flatten me?
I do think this whole thing is 6 to 1, half a dozen to the other - there are people who over estimate their abilities, there are sellers who are unscrupulous and there are also unfortunate circumstances where nobody is really to blame, but for some reason a new horse and rider just werent meant to be together
I do agree though, the blame/lets sue culture is certainly no help!
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But both of yours were on trial and presumably the seller had told you there were no such problems, correct? I presume you even saw the second horse led when you viewed it and it looked fine? So you asked all the right questions, the horses didn't fit the description on very simple counts, and they were within the trial. Fair enough. And no, no one should have to get hurt to prove a point. I would MUCH rather a buyer who realises the horse is not for them makes a decision early but I'd REALLY rather they make the decision before they buy, honestly, which was all I was saying.
All I meant was that novices might not know the tests to do and the questions to ask to uncover suspicions up front. And this knowledge is much, much more important for them than for someone with a great deal more experience.
Quiet frankly, if I like a horse I don't care if it can be funny to have its feet picked up, say, as I'm pretty confident - borne out by experience - that I can get that fixed easily and stay safe in the process. BUT if I was buying for a first time owner I'd want to see that horse's feet being picked up - preferably in the stable and also at some random time like after being ridden - I'd want to see the potential buyer picking them up and I'd want the seller to state unequivocally that he/she had had a farrier do the horse and it had been fine without any management. That STILL wouldn't be a guarantee the new owner would never have a problem picking up the horse's feet but it's a start. I'd want to see the same for longing, hacking, mounting, basic riding, rugging up, even trailer loading - whatever basic skills the horse would be expected to possess. I would EXPECT the horse to have a few glitches and would assume the buyer would give some thought to them. It wouldn't ever be "pass of fail" - no horse is perfect - but at least the buyer would have the information going in.
I just don't see how someone buying a first horse could be expected have that level of foresight. I can tell you, I've only gained it by being constantly surprised! (And occasionally badly hurt.) But if I didn't ask those questions and got a nasty shock I would consider myself at least as responsible as the seller.
So no, I'm not against returns at all. They absolutely have their place. I just think going in thinking "I can always take it back if it doesn't work" underestimates how badly "doesn't work" can go, even only once.
Tarrsteps, I agree with almost everything you said.
The only exception being that I am one of the ones who has returned a horse. In fact I have returned 2 horses
Horse 1 landed my blacksmith in hospital and quite frankly I dont want a horse thats dangerous. (It was lovely to ride as it happens - a real shame
Horse 2 was also very nice to ride, but you couldnt lead it - it just charged off whenever it felt like it - even in a chiffney. Having coaxed it into the stable with scoops of food it was a case of open the door and YEE HAA off it went to the field having smashed you into the doorframe or whatever. YES I might have fixed the 2nd horse but it would have been a struggle, it would probably always have done it unless you were on guard and at 10 years old was pretty used to getting away with it. At the end of the day I had negotiated a 7 day trial and so back it went. Does that make me wrong? Should I have lived with both horses just because 1 didnt kick me when I tried it and the other didnt flatten me?
I do think this whole thing is 6 to 1, half a dozen to the other - there are people who over estimate their abilities, there are sellers who are unscrupulous and there are also unfortunate circumstances where nobody is really to blame, but for some reason a new horse and rider just werent meant to be together
I do agree though, the blame/lets sue culture is certainly no help!
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But both of yours were on trial and presumably the seller had told you there were no such problems, correct? I presume you even saw the second horse led when you viewed it and it looked fine? So you asked all the right questions, the horses didn't fit the description on very simple counts, and they were within the trial. Fair enough. And no, no one should have to get hurt to prove a point. I would MUCH rather a buyer who realises the horse is not for them makes a decision early but I'd REALLY rather they make the decision before they buy, honestly, which was all I was saying.
All I meant was that novices might not know the tests to do and the questions to ask to uncover suspicions up front. And this knowledge is much, much more important for them than for someone with a great deal more experience.
Quiet frankly, if I like a horse I don't care if it can be funny to have its feet picked up, say, as I'm pretty confident - borne out by experience - that I can get that fixed easily and stay safe in the process. BUT if I was buying for a first time owner I'd want to see that horse's feet being picked up - preferably in the stable and also at some random time like after being ridden - I'd want to see the potential buyer picking them up and I'd want the seller to state unequivocally that he/she had had a farrier do the horse and it had been fine without any management. That STILL wouldn't be a guarantee the new owner would never have a problem picking up the horse's feet but it's a start. I'd want to see the same for longing, hacking, mounting, basic riding, rugging up, even trailer loading - whatever basic skills the horse would be expected to possess. I would EXPECT the horse to have a few glitches and would assume the buyer would give some thought to them. It wouldn't ever be "pass of fail" - no horse is perfect - but at least the buyer would have the information going in.
I just don't see how someone buying a first horse could be expected have that level of foresight. I can tell you, I've only gained it by being constantly surprised! (And occasionally badly hurt.) But if I didn't ask those questions and got a nasty shock I would consider myself at least as responsible as the seller.
So no, I'm not against returns at all. They absolutely have their place. I just think going in thinking "I can always take it back if it doesn't work" underestimates how badly "doesn't work" can go, even only once.
PaddyMonty
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Btw, I was reviewing my driving skills yesterday (have to take my UK test finally) and the instructor said NEVER flash your lights or wave at a car you are letting through a gap. If you do and they get hit by a car behind you/hit a pedestrian etc. YOU can be help partly responsible . . . absolutely insane.
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And somewhat worrying that a driving instructor does not know the purpose of flashing head lights at another driver.
As stated in the highway code it is to warn other drivers of your approach, not to allow them right of way.
It would be a very interesting court case
Btw, I was reviewing my driving skills yesterday (have to take my UK test finally) and the instructor said NEVER flash your lights or wave at a car you are letting through a gap. If you do and they get hit by a car behind you/hit a pedestrian etc. YOU can be help partly responsible . . . absolutely insane.
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And somewhat worrying that a driving instructor does not know the purpose of flashing head lights at another driver.
As stated in the highway code it is to warn other drivers of your approach, not to allow them right of way.
It would be a very interesting court case
The Original Kao
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very interesting topic
we have a livery with us who bought a horse 'because she always wanted 1'
she can barely do a rising trot.
she's owned it for over a year
she had every opportunity to come to the yard to learn tacking up etc, have lessons, but she rarely comes down. and when she comes down she pootles about in the school. she does venture out but tends to fall off everytime
it's taken her this length of time to be able to put the bridle on right and sometimes the saddle in the right place.
i personally don't have a problem with a novice owning a horse as such (in the right kind of environment). it just bugs me that she's never bothered to advance her riding or stable management in anyway. she's a lovely woman as well so i feel bad for being annoyed with her lol
she also works right next door to the yard.
we take care of her horse for her, i ride him and he's a fab horse. and she'd get real pleasure from a horse like him if she just took some time to learn to ride him.
it seems she spent thousands just to have a horse so she can tell people she has 1?
i also work in a riding school, the kids now compared with the kids of my generation (it seems) don't have the same confidence. i regularly see tears when asking for stirrups to be taken away for example.
we have a livery with us who bought a horse 'because she always wanted 1'
she can barely do a rising trot.
she's owned it for over a year
she had every opportunity to come to the yard to learn tacking up etc, have lessons, but she rarely comes down. and when she comes down she pootles about in the school. she does venture out but tends to fall off everytime
it's taken her this length of time to be able to put the bridle on right and sometimes the saddle in the right place.
i personally don't have a problem with a novice owning a horse as such (in the right kind of environment). it just bugs me that she's never bothered to advance her riding or stable management in anyway. she's a lovely woman as well so i feel bad for being annoyed with her lol
she also works right next door to the yard.
we take care of her horse for her, i ride him and he's a fab horse. and she'd get real pleasure from a horse like him if she just took some time to learn to ride him.
it seems she spent thousands just to have a horse so she can tell people she has 1?
i also work in a riding school, the kids now compared with the kids of my generation (it seems) don't have the same confidence. i regularly see tears when asking for stirrups to be taken away for example.
Faithkat
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I haven't trawled through all the other replies but I have to say you are absolutely right. It's another one of the reasons that so many horses are ridden in sucha fantastic array of gadgets - most "riders" cannot ride very well. It's not an original observation either, exactly the same thing was stated by someone much more exalted than myself in an article about gadgets in a recent edition of "Horse" magazine. Look at photos of showjumpers from years ago, they all rode in snaffles and even (shock horror) the occasional drop noseband. Look at them nowadays (apart from the lovely Eddie Macken at Hickstead the other week . . . .) - a fearsome collection of ironmongery of varying degrees of severity decorating the poor horses. . . . and they seem to be totally incapable of riding anywhere but doing the actual jumping round without draw reins! I'm sure draw reins are NOT necessary to ride a parade lap.
Mithras
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But are buyers too fussy, rejecting horses on very slight things that can be fixed? When the most important things are fine? Do they expect a fully guaranteed machine, or an animal? When I sold my last mare, I actually had a bidding war, she was in so much demand. But there was one buyer who rejected her after she performed yet another perfect trial - because she would not travel together in a double trailer but like a lot of mares, had to travel singly (travelled fine in a lorry) - because occasionally she might like to share transport to events with her friend.
Skhosu
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H_H-what is wrong with that buyer rejecting a horse who would restrict her enjoyment? That's not a slight thing, and how can you be too fussy when spending thousands of pounds??
We have had several mares all of whom travelled fine in a double trailer..
We have had several mares all of whom travelled fine in a double trailer..
spottybotty
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There are still good riding schools out there!This is coming from an ex riding school proprietor .The problem is that H@S really does restrict what you can and can`t do these days, you can`t let kids help out for rides because of employment laws,it is a nightmare. I had a couple come for lessons, told me they could ride BUT during their half hr assesmant lesson it was blatently obv they could not even ride a seaside donkey.The husband learnt in two lessons to do a rising trot then after the fourth lesson they anounced that they were buying a 4yr old and that was the last i saw of them!
Fransurrey
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could perhaps some of that be non-horsey parents buying ponies for their children?
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This is exactly how I came to own an exmoor, rather than the 15hh I was looking for!! 2yr old colt sold to non-horsey family with two young kids. Luckily no-one got hurt!! Some people will sell to anybody, though.
These days, in the 'I want it now and CHEAP' society, people will buy anything and 'make do'. Horses are the new dogs and cats in the 'disposable pets' scenario.
could perhaps some of that be non-horsey parents buying ponies for their children?
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This is exactly how I came to own an exmoor, rather than the 15hh I was looking for!! 2yr old colt sold to non-horsey family with two young kids. Luckily no-one got hurt!! Some people will sell to anybody, though.
These days, in the 'I want it now and CHEAP' society, people will buy anything and 'make do'. Horses are the new dogs and cats in the 'disposable pets' scenario.
TarrSteps
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Btw, I was reviewing my driving skills yesterday (have to take my UK test finally) and the instructor said NEVER flash your lights or wave at a car you are letting through a gap. If you do and they get hit by a car behind you/hit a pedestrian etc. YOU can be help partly responsible . . . absolutely insane.
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And somewhat worrying that a driving instructor does not know the purpose of flashing head lights at another driver.
As stated in the highway code it is to warn other drivers of your approach, not to allow them right of way.
It would be a very interesting court case
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He did know that. But it is commonly used by drivers to indicate that an oncoming car in a one lane situation can come forward - might not be right but people do it all the time. THIS was what he was warning against.
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Btw, I was reviewing my driving skills yesterday (have to take my UK test finally) and the instructor said NEVER flash your lights or wave at a car you are letting through a gap. If you do and they get hit by a car behind you/hit a pedestrian etc. YOU can be help partly responsible . . . absolutely insane.
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And somewhat worrying that a driving instructor does not know the purpose of flashing head lights at another driver.
As stated in the highway code it is to warn other drivers of your approach, not to allow them right of way.
It would be a very interesting court case
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He did know that. But it is commonly used by drivers to indicate that an oncoming car in a one lane situation can come forward - might not be right but people do it all the time. THIS was what he was warning against.
Angua2
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I have just skimmed so appologies if this has been already said.
The situation doesn't only lie in potential purchasers it also happens in sharers too.
I had a lady that had ridden regularly at a riding school and had ridden all the "naughty" horses and the "very forward going" ones and felt that she wanted a more of a hands on aspect of horses without the owning/ full responibility...... well I am so glad I had a share agreement as things went wrong big time and I am amazed that she didn't kill herself.
I do not look forward to the day that my wonderful, capable sharer hands her notice in as I will have a hard space to fill.
I have just skimmed so appologies if this has been already said.
The situation doesn't only lie in potential purchasers it also happens in sharers too.
I had a lady that had ridden regularly at a riding school and had ridden all the "naughty" horses and the "very forward going" ones and felt that she wanted a more of a hands on aspect of horses without the owning/ full responibility...... well I am so glad I had a share agreement as things went wrong big time and I am amazed that she didn't kill herself.
I do not look forward to the day that my wonderful, capable sharer hands her notice in as I will have a hard space to fill.
MooMoo
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These days, in the 'I want it now and CHEAP' society, people will buy anything and 'make do'. Horses are the new dogs and cats in the 'disposable pets' scenario.
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I agree, you also see people with dogs towing them down the road barking at everything n it makes you think doesnt it? I can understand a parent wanting to get their child a pony but honestly its not like buying a toy is it or even a smaller pet like a rabbit.
People need to do their homework and take some proper advice.
birdof1977
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In a post further down, they were on about when we (I) learnt to ride, we thought nothing of jumping without reins, stirrups etc. My favourite lessons were when we got to trot round bareback. I bet not many riding schools would risk that nowadays!!
I have just got back in the saddle after 8 years horse free. I'm having some lessons at my local stables (They are, IMHO, a good one) and we were talking about this the other night. Apparently due to health and safety regulations, they are not allowed to do half of the stuff mentioned above.
I agree its a shame, because I learned to ride bareback on a welsh mountain pony that only had two speeds, stopped, and fast. Probably the best thing I ever did. I learned to glue my self to the little devil and no matter how hard he tried, he couldn't get me off.
I think that, especially kids lessons, learning to ride is not as fun as it used to be. I personally would blame the EU and their stupid rules, not the riding schools.
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In a post further down, they were on about when we (I) learnt to ride, we thought nothing of jumping without reins, stirrups etc. My favourite lessons were when we got to trot round bareback. I bet not many riding schools would risk that nowadays!!
I have just got back in the saddle after 8 years horse free. I'm having some lessons at my local stables (They are, IMHO, a good one) and we were talking about this the other night. Apparently due to health and safety regulations, they are not allowed to do half of the stuff mentioned above.
I agree its a shame, because I learned to ride bareback on a welsh mountain pony that only had two speeds, stopped, and fast. Probably the best thing I ever did. I learned to glue my self to the little devil and no matter how hard he tried, he couldn't get me off.
I think that, especially kids lessons, learning to ride is not as fun as it used to be. I personally would blame the EU and their stupid rules, not the riding schools.