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JoJo Eventer... having read your post i'm not surprised you got fired.. sour grapes eh??

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I doubt it, the woman was clearly an idiot...I mean galloping along a beach with no saddle and no hat!!!! WTF!!!!
 
Why is she an idiot? She has an amazing relationship with that horse that has taken years to form. Most dressage riders don't wear hats- does that make them idiots too?? What about people who hunt without a crash hat - idiots too? I would say that Rachel has more control over her horse without a bridle than the majority of riders have with a bridle.
 
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JoJo Eventer... having read your post i'm not surprised you got fired.. sour grapes eh??

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Umm why is that? I did what they asked me to do and took an interest in Parelli at the time I just didnt have a horse to do it with. No not sour grapes. Like I said i'm glad they fired me. I have a much better paid job now. What I was being paid there was pityful considering the profit they make.

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Blimey no wonder you got fired with an attitude like that!! Who are you to say soneones horse is 'silly!! Unbelievable!!

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The girl called it 'silly' herself. Hardly a harsh coment. My horse can be silly. Everyones can be. She was doing Parelli with it because it was so silly it needed to learn manners etc.
 
I get it fine thanks houdini. I dont even disagree with some of the methods. Some of it is just common sense when it comes to the natural behaviour of a horse. I just dont waste my money on buying their overly expensive products. Or call them up for advice. All the instructors do is laugh at the videos people send in for assessment too so it totally put me off ever wanting to get involved if they just ridicule other parelli members.
 
Oooooh this is the first time I have ever bothered reading a Parelli post..... and we have the invasion of the Parelli supporters
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Perhaps HHO should be subscription only, so we can avoid trolls too
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Why is she an idiot? She has an amazing relationship with that horse that has taken years to form. Most dressage riders don't wear hats- does that make them idiots too?? What about people who hunt without a crash hat - idiots too? I would say that Rachel has more control over her horse without a bridle than the majority of riders have with a bridle.

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Last time I checked Dressage riders used saddles
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. You obviously didn't read my earlier post, even on the quietest horse in the world there is always the danger you will slip off sideways when bareback so riding without a hat or back protector at a gallop is just stupid......would you still think she was brilliant if she fell off, was trampled on, and spent the rest of her life as a vegetable????

And YES I do think that ANYONE who rides without a hat is an idiot - no matter who they are...that's just MY opinion.
 
BTW JoJo....

Dear forum users

In order to reduce confusion about what is (and is not) a defamatory post, we have decided to post a basic guide to ensure all users have the same understanding.

1. A post which could damage the reputation of an individual or company is defamatory
2. The person or company does not need to be named - if someone who knows the person/company can identify them from what is posted then this is sufficient for legal action to be taken against IPC and the individual who posted the message.

Defamatory posts are not acceptable under the forum terms and conditions. I hope that this post helps clarify matters.
 
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BTW JoJo....

Dear forum users

In order to reduce confusion about what is (and is not) a defamatory post, we have decided to post a basic guide to ensure all users have the same understanding.

1. A post which could damage the reputation of an individual or company is defamatory
2. The person or company does not need to be named - if someone who knows the person/company can identify them from what is posted then this is sufficient for legal action to be taken against IPC and the individual who posted the message.

Defamatory posts are not acceptable under the forum terms and conditions. I hope that this post helps clarify matters.

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I think EVERYONE who uses this forum regularly has their own opinion of Parelli and the people who sell it without a word from anyone.
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BTW JoJo....

Dear forum users

In order to reduce confusion about what is (and is not) a defamatory post, we have decided to post a basic guide to ensure all users have the same understanding.

1. A post which could damage the reputation of an individual or company is defamatory
2. The person or company does not need to be named - if someone who knows the person/company can identify them from what is posted then this is sufficient for legal action to be taken against IPC and the individual who posted the message.

Defamatory posts are not acceptable under the forum terms and conditions. I hope that this post helps clarify matters.

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that doesn't really wear with most members on here...as we all realise that P..sorry can't bring myself to say it...is total mind numbing, brain washing, dollar making Bollox.....

not too much for Admin to worry about there is there??
 
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that doesn't really wear with most members on here...as we all realise that P..sorry can't bring myself to say it...is total mind numbing, brain washing, dollar making Bollox.....

not too much for Admin to worry about there is there??

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Spot on. Could not have put it better myself!
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...as we all realise that P..sorry can't bring myself to say it...is total mind numbing, brain washing, dollar making Bollox.....

not too much for Admin to worry about there is there??

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RAOTFLMFAO
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Carrot Stick.........$xx
DVD................... $xx

Telling it like it is...........PRICELESS
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I wanted to go on the parelli forum to have a good debate!
Yes that is true and if you don't like it I dont care!!! If the Parelli believers have such a high regard of their chosen 'natural horsemanship' then I am sure they can offer an opinion on it and 'educate' me. At least I am willing to talk to them which really considering things is actually more then they deserve!
I think it is disgusting that they charge X amount of money to be acepted as a believer.
And for the rest of you who said that every forum should charge go and play with your horses rather than being on a PUBLIC forum as you clearly are a sad person who cannot hack other peoples opinions, if you are so clever why are you even on a forum because clearly you don't need to have any advice!
 
This PUBLIC (it's not, it's privately owned and therefore they are perfectly within rights to set rules, ban people etc.) forum will disappear faster than you can say "parelli" if they get slapped with a legal order. Not to mention that I suspect many of you would not be so keen to defame someone if actual lawyers are involved. And yes, it does happen to sites - yank someone's chain hard enough and long enough and they're likely to strike back.

Fascinating how so many people profess to love this forum for its openness - and lack of fee - yet have no problem endangering that situation.

Yes, of course you're trolls and looking to cause trouble. But then you can't be too surprised if there's a price to be paid.
 
Tarrsteps I really don't think the Parelli/savvy club is going to be worried about a few people coming on a website and saying that they charge to go on their forum. It is public knowledge just try to register and you will find out it's not like it is a big secret.

I have phoned the Uk branch and told them so myself. I don't think they really cared.I wanted to go on their forum and ask questions but it seems (to someone uneducated like me) that it even costs money to research parelli.

If admin feel the need to delete the parelli posts why dont they? I'm sure they know more about legal orders and such than you or me.

How is it hurting you if I am a Troll, yes I like to have a good debate now and then but I also feel that I can post in a serious manner when I want to. You don't have to read my posts my name is clearly stated when I have written a reply or started a topic.
 
I think there are far more eventers, showjumpers and hunters in wheelchairs than there are Parelli followers.

I'm REALLY fed up with all the Parelli bashers on here that don't know enough about it to comment. It's our choice what we spend our money on and quite frankly I'd rather spend it with Parelli than on quick fix gadgets and calmers that don't work. Didn't anyone see the accident waiting to happen loading device at YHL? ONLY £250!!??

Why on earth would you want to go on the Parelli forum other than to make trouble.
 
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Why does the BHS not feel the need to threaten legal action for defamation every time someone disagrees with its methods? Because the BHS is confident in its methods, and knows they will work...
Why do Parelli and other NH folk feel the need to threaten legal action for defamation every time someone disagrees with its methods? Work it out.
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I think there are far more eventers, showjumpers and hunters in wheelchairs than there are Parelli followers.

I'm REALLY fed up with all the Parelli bashers on here that don't know enough about it to comment. It's our choice what we spend our money on and quite frankly I'd rather spend it with Parelli than on quick fix gadgets and calmers that don't work. Didn't anyone see the accident waiting to happen loading device at YHL? ONLY £250!!??

Why on earth would you want to go on the Parelli forum other than to make trouble.

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I would NEVER use 'Parelli'(I often use IH methods to catch my NF) and I definitely don't use 'quick fix' gadgets, I just train my horses gently and intelligently...there are still afew of us old fashioned folk around who don't need gadgets(yes the 'carrot stick' is a gadget too!) to train our horses!
 
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Why on earth would you want to go on the Parelli forum other than to make trouble.

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A damned fine question!
And if even you, a Parelli supporter, can't think of a use for the Parelli forum, then no wonder the rest of us are mystified.
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Selkirk when I said I wanted to cause trouble it was tongue in cheek! (about me being a troll)

Perhaps people want to find out about parelli and want to have a chat to see the other side of the argument. Or even to see if it actually works. I feel if they charge people to see their forum it just adds to the whole 'Parelli is just for Mr P to make money'

Baublezebub I think you have hit the nail on the head there.
 
It's not about Parelli, it's about, as was pointed out, using this forum to bash an individual or organisation. No one is saying that Parelli has threatened legal action, they were simply posting the relevant part of the rules and conditions from the owner of this site asking people not to engage in this sort of thing because it CAN bring problems for the site and the individual. At which point a few people said, effectively, "We don't care if someone else gets in trouble, even though we have no problem enjoying their hospitality.

Obviously pointing out a website charges is not bashing, it's fact. Saying you're mad because they want you to pay to cause trouble is not even bashing. Disagreeing with someone's methods is all well and good, implying they are "disgusting" for exercising fair trade isn't. But a lot of the comments people make about Parelli (and others) would count as libel and they know it. Why should HHO bear the brunt, especially when they have asked people not to drag them into it?

It doesn't hurt ME at all. But it can hurt HHO, I like HHO, and I can certainly fairly add my voice to people pointing out how rude it is to continue doing something one has been asked not to do on a privately owned forum. (And yes, people do call lawyers about things on the internet. I used to moderate for another horse-oriented board on which two members got into a slanging match, indirectly leading to one of them getting censured at her work, and lawyers certainly did get involved.)
 
I think the fact you are encouraging us to use self-censorship due to fear of false legal action is, in itself, indicative of a problem with the organisation being criticised.
If Parelli, the BHS, Classical Horsemanship, Intelligent Horsemanship or any other school or method, has to resort to threatening legal action to avoid people voicing their views in a debate, then one must wonder what exactly are they trying to hide?
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Tarrsteps read my post it said,

Selkirk when I said I wanted to cause trouble it was tongue in cheek! (about me being a troll)

I did not want to cause trouble I wanted to chat and ask some questions.
HHO are able to look after themselves if there is a problem legally with a post they will delete it! I don't think they need you to tell them to.
I think if Parelli is all about enlightening people about the correct way to look after horses then they should be willing to let poeple research it before spending huge amounts of money on thier membership and products, Yes I do think it is disgusting that you have to pay in excess of £120 (yearly membership) to find out it is a load of nonsense or visa versa.

And also HORSE AND HOUND ONLINE CAN look after themselves. They have been around long enough. Everything I have said is not libel I am entitled to an opinion and to share it with others. (yes also on a public forum)
 
It doesn't cost anything to go onto the main Parelli site www.parelli.com which has a wealth of information about the techniques and equipment.

You can also recieve their free enews letter each Friday or attend a demonstration at Stoneleigh-there are some coming up over the next few weeks.

You are most welcome to PM me with any queries you might have. Along with eventing, doing RC activities and western riding we also use Parelli and have done so for the last seven years.

The forum is a members only area as it is a place for Parelli enthusiasts to share their news and views in a "safe" learning environment.

It isn't neccessary to pay the £120 a year to join the savvy club- anyone can buy the DVDs or equipment... it is just helpful to get a discount and to feel part of things.

In addition...I have only ever heard of one report where a person or horse doing natural horsemanship has been hurt or killed (an incident some years ago in Australia).

In contrast there are many, many dreadful reports of people and horses being hurt or killed in all the other disciplines, or when out hacking due to the horse spooking/bolting etc.

The BHS (I'm a member) is fantastic at taking care of the physical side of the horse, and schooling a "problem free" horse but unfortunately they do little to address the psychological and behavioural issues that horses may have, or the confidence issues of the rider and this seems to be where the biggest problems are....take a look at some of the other posts on this forum alone....

"My horse won't do this/that/the other"...."I HATE my horse"......."PC member killed"......."Zara Phillip's horse killed"...."Clipping issues"....."trailering problems"....horses going to slaughter as they are "unmanageable/unrideable"....etc etc.

Those of us on livery yards must all know someone there who visits their hose day after day but is actually too scared to get on and ride it... I had four livery clients at one point who were all too scared to ride, but who didn't/couldn't do anything to address their fears.

Also, I am concerned by the number of times a person posts onto this forum with a horse problem such as trailer loading and the answers given advise the handler to hit or otherwise dominate or brutalize the horse. "use blue piping" or "get the yard broom" "a bigger bit" "knock ten bells of [****] out of it."

If this was a forum about children or dogs then such answers- from women on the whole too- would be considered wholly unnacceptable.

Is it just that horses are bigger than us, or considered "stupid" or that we are bound by "tradition" that enables us to suggest such cruelty?
 
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