i love draw reins

Munchkin said:
This is the user that was buying an ISH and wanted us to tell her what saddle was going to fit it. When that fell through, she bought a 'wild' unhandled NF baby, and proceeded to 'break it in' within 2 days, complained everyone was bullying her when they said that was a bad idea, then came crying again when she realised they were right.

I think she's what is known as 'a lost cause' and I just feel sorry for the little mare.

Anyway, carry on...
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Oh lordy... :rolleyes:
 
I thought the OP was going to be a lanky 16 yr old getting a little sec A ready for its tiny rider to show. That seems to be a popular use for them.

Now going to move back and just watch over everyone's shoulders.
 
There is nothing scarier than riding an over draw reined horse (usually put in draw reins because they are ‘naughty’) the horse is of course still naughty but now you’ve taught it to evade by dropping behind the contact, and where do you go with that (in my case it’s usually to dismount, hand the horse back and thank the lord for my giraffe of a tb!) you have NOTHING in front of you but a coiled spring under you...

Not to mention that 99% of all dressage judges IMO can point out which horses have been draw reined... “needs to work into contact more” :D

(also, can someone please pass me one of these cigarettes going round, ta thanks!)
 
martlin said:
Abbot davies? Isn't that tying horse's head to its tail? And how is it better than tying it to the girth?
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God I hate those things even more, mind you I also dislike Pessoa's as I'd rather not use my horses hind leg to tug on his mouth to tuck his head in.

Damn me and my lack of short cuts, no wonder I had a seven year old that's just about walking in a consistent outline, another two years we might have mastered trot :D
 
martlin said:
Abbot davies? Isn't that tying horse's head to its tail? And how is it better than tying it to the girth?
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Not when I used to use it, attaches to a strap on the girth and a system of what look like pullys - I have to say I agree with the previous poster, used occasionally it can have fantastic results, really worked on my old mare.
 
Let's extend the talk out into bungees, side reins and pessoas. Instruments of torture 'eh?:D

- edited to say, ah, I see pessoas have been bought into it already - good.
 
Hedwards said:
Not when I used to use it, attaches to a strap on the girth and a system of what look like pullys - I have to say I agree with the previous poster, used occasionally it can have fantastic results, really worked on my old mare.
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Ah, so comparing which is worse (draw reins or abbot davies) is defunct now, because they are essentially the same, then :D

I actually prefer draw reins to a bungie or side reins - as I said, you can let go of draw reins in seconds...
 
Achinghips said:
Let's extend the talk out into bungees, side reins and pessoas. Instruments of torture 'eh?:D

- edited to say, ah, I see pessoas have been bought into it already - good.
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Sorry, should I have waited until page 3? :D


I saw the best thing ever on facebook, young horse being broken in... turned out in the field with a fly rug, roller and side reins attached to a bit/bridle. Turned out like that. Seriously, I had to double and treble check but they were PAYING for this 'breaking' service...
 
Dizzle said:
There is nothing scarier than riding an over draw reined horse (usually put in draw reins because they are ‘naughty’) the horse is of course still naughty but now you’ve taught it to evade by dropping behind the contact, and where do you go with that (in my case it’s usually to dismount, hand the horse back and thank the lord for my giraffe of a tb!) you have NOTHING in front of you but a coiled spring under you...

Not to mention that 99% of all dressage judges IMO can point out which horses have been draw reined... “needs to work into contact more” :D

(also, can someone please pass me one of these cigarettes going round, ta thanks!)
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This was our boy when we bought him. Ridden in draw reins and martingale . . . possibly to stop him spinning and rearing. We removed most of the gadgets (still has a crank cavesson, but no martingale or flash and definitely no draw reins). He is now happy to go into the contact and trusts the rider - something it's taken us a year and a half to achieve.

Ditto Pessoas - he HATES those and resists something chronic. Quite happy to lunge in side reins though - and I can double lunge him with no problems - possibly just an association thing.

Personally, I think draw reins are fine "in the right hands" but are often used inappropriately and by people who aren't coordinated enough to use them sympathetically.

Ducks and leaves.

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martlin said:
Ah, so comparing which is worse (draw reins or abbot davies) is defunct now, because they are essentially the same, then :D

I actually prefer draw reins to a bungie or side reins - as I said, you can let go of draw reins in seconds...
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Not sure I'd suggest they are essentially the same - all I know is that there was a marked difference in my mare when I used an abbot davies (we're talking about 10 years ago here) - I would use it for approximately 5-10 minutes on each rein in walk and trot only maybe once a week/fortnight depending on what work she was doing and then remove to continue schooling - dramatically improved her schooling generally. As with all these things, in the right hands they can have their uses - I havent used any gadgetry for many many years as I havent felt the need with any of the nags I've had since, but if i felt the need in the future, I would.

I hate to see badly used draw reins - we have a couple on our yard who use them very badly - and suprise suprise, when they go out to compete (at medium and advanced medium) it all goes to pot and the horses explode...

However i have seen them used incredibly sensibly and well (mainly during my time riding at an event yard in my younger days)
 
eeek, very dangerous in the wrong hands! :mad:
Our local flavour of the month instructor turned up at the local yard on Sunday, taught for 4-5 hours (mostly jabbing horses in the gob and kicking them with spurs for that time :mad:) and left again. I went up on Monday to see 3-4 people schooling in the outdoor school in draw reins..... :eek:(obviously her gadget of the week)
ARGH!!!!
Surely its all about harmony and partnership between horse and rider..... nope apparently its all about strapping them down, beating the cr*p out of them oh and leaning on their neck with your hands either side down by the girth :eek:

Yes I have ridden in draw reins previously, bungee, side reins the lot around 7 years ago (i was 15, who would give those things to a 15yr old? :o ), but wouldn't go back as funnily enough most of the time you take these things off, and the horse goes back to doing what they were doing... if you do it slower with correct training, the results seem to last..... :rolleyes: ;)
 
i despise draw reins! i started riding a friends horse who she had had problems with rearing and bucking and ended up using draw reins to give her some comfort that she was less likely to end up on the floor. i got on this horse with no draw reins but she still worked as though she had them on. her head disappeared out of sight and tucked it ride under. i spent the entire schooling session trying to get her to work from behind and lifting her head into a more natural position and work into the contact. do not like them at all.
 
They are used too much to overbend - I have used them in the past and I will use them again - to help teach youngsters to lower their head without resorting to fixed side reins, and to help to teach an elastic contact - draw reins have instant release opposed to side reins which I personally prefer.

Draw reins evil - no. In the wrong hands though they are an instrument of torture - that's down to the hands though not the reins.
 
Brambridge04 said:
After a few horric schooling sessions my young mare was ridden in draw reins for first time ever last night and wow what an amazing difference in attitude and performance!!
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Um so does hedghog skins on jumps to stop horses knocking poles down and alsorts of other gadgets to "make" the horse do what you want but at the end of the day there is no substitute for someone who can get the horse to understand and want to do what you want with feel and timeing that is the differnce between a average to poor trainer and a great one..IMHO
 
Personally i just LOVE draw reins, i love to see horses schooling in them especially when they are paired with a lovely set of strong spurs (makes me even more content when the rider does not have an independant seat so jabs the horse constantly with them and i just ADORE it when the horses sides are damaged from them) so the horse can really run into an overbent incorrect outline..........................OH such pleasures that are afforded to us:)
 
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