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MrsB - you poor thing, what a horrible position for someone to have put you in. It sounds like you are investigating all possibilities in terms of treatment and quite rightly preparing yourself that you may have to make the pts decision at some point.

He is lucky to have found you as I am sure you will do the right thing by him. I dont know anything about suspensory damage but dont take offence at those saying a hunting home is not for him - hunting is a very high impact, hard job for any horse and you would want a 100% horse with no niggling issues to take on that kind of job.

Fingers crossed for you and Boris that he comes right and also that you manage to get the seller done for this.
 
^^^^^^ Good point that. Mrs B you need to think about whether it is better insurance wise for it to be perfectly plausible that these injuries could have happened more than two weeks post purchase, ie if you want treatment covering, in which case you do not want to make out that the horse came injured, or whether it is better to expect to pay for/not proceed with veterinary investigations and treatment whilst pursuing the vet and dealer for some money back that end if you see what I'm getting at?
 
Can I just wish you and Boris all the best?

There are some extremely dodgy dealers out there, hiding behind every trick in the book, and even when TS have got rid of them once, they try again, under a different name.

There's one just popped up again in South Yorks.
 
I'd agree with amaranta & flame. Whilst its possible to miss mild suspensory damage over a few weeks, if it's severe enough to mean pts is a possible outcome its almost impossible to have missed. I think if you pursue it being an existing condition at the very least the insurance could argue continuing to work him & leaving it so long for a vet has caused more damage, & refuse to pay out for treatment. That would leave you having to pursue the previous owner & vetting vet which may not be successful. I'd also agree with mozlar in not sending him to a hunting home if he has major damage.
Good luck & hope it turns out to be mild damage so you can keep up the great progress you've already made.
 
I'm so very sorry to hear about Boris' problems. :( I've been reading your post but only got around to registering today, and just wanted to say that I know first hand how it feels to be had, though my experience was with a dog rather than a horse. Bought the dog and a week later had to have her pts as she had internal tumors and kidney failure. These situations are just heartbreaking, especially when you spend so much time with an unwell animal, bonding with it as you try everything in your power (and bank account) to save them. I have my fingers firmly crossed for you and Boris. Very best of luck with him!
 
Bugger- I read from page one to page nine getting more positive and excited for you then bam - page ten !
Nothing useful to add I'm afraid other than thinking of you and of course Boris and how awful and unfair for some bitch to put you in this situation.
 
Op- please don't take my post to mean I think you've been hammering him round & either caused or worsened his lameness, I just wanted to point out how the insurance might view it, didn't want you ending up with more problems.
 
Yeah, same here. Mrs B you are obviously in a difficult position which isn't your fault. Just be aware that your horse's insurance will be invalid if you set out to prove that his condition was pre-existing.
 
Flame_ said:
Yeah, same here. Mrs B you are obviously in a difficult position which isn't your fault. Just be aware that your horse's insurance will be invalid if you set out to prove that his condition was pre-existing.
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I fear this too.
However this is one lucky horse to land with Mrs B who seems really committed to do whats best for a horse who is probally turning out to be an expensive mistake , All power to her and I hope she can get life made very difficult if not impossible for the cheating B's who sold him but for Boris I think god he's been lucky.
 
Stupid phone!!
Sorry, I meant to say I was hoping everything comes right for you and Boris! It sounds as though he's really landed on his feet with you and his attitude to life is already changing for thebetter. Perhaps with continued love and understanding he will turn into the horse you've always wanted! I strongly believe that some horses find their owners and I really hope things work themselves out
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Oh what an awful story, you might already know this Mrs B but might be worth googling all details for the women to find any more info to help back up a claim. It's amazing what you can find from a mobile or home number in google.
 
wallykissmas said:
Oh what an awful story, you might already know this Mrs B but might be worth googling all details for the women to find any more info to help back up a claim. It's amazing what you can find from a mobile or home number in google.
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Yep, done that ;) that's what's made her into a dealer and not a private seller!
 
Really awful, hope that there's some sort of good outcome from it all. Sellers lying about horses is one of my bugbears and really winds me up. No good for horse or rider.

If you've paid for a vetting and its been falsified you should have come back whether its a 2 or 5 stage. Hopefully you will.

Will just say though, i got Fabio as a 4 year old and i hadn't owned a horse for a good few years so in principal it could have been a recipe for disaster. But he really is a gent, not all young horses are unsuitable for novices so i don't think its your friends fault if thats how he'd been described, particularly if he had been drugged to make him more docile. I'd have been wary of him being underweight though as they can all change temperament when being fed properly.

Hope there's a happy end to the story for you and Boris MrsB
 
I brought up the issue of Boris' weight with the vet once he'd vetted him... he said he tried to mention this to the seller, but as she was a client of his, didn't want to upset her... yet on the vetting form he'd put that she wasn't a client... so he lied!!!
 
Oh MrsB, what a horrible nightmare for you. I hope you get these people, it beggars belief that people think that drugging dangerous/unsound horses and selling them on is acceptable, lets hope they get their comeuppance.
I hope Boris is not as badly damaged as thought and that it all works out ok for you and him whatever that encompasses
 
I hope you succeed in bringing this woman and vet to justice MrsB, you will be doing everyone a great service if you do, and it will also mean that Boris' suffering won't be in vain:mad:
 
I haven't posted on your thread before as I can't offer any different advise to what has been given. It sounds like you and Boris have been on one hell of a journey together already and just wanted to say long may it continue.

He is one lucky boy to have of met you and you are remarkable to be doing everything you are doing for him.

Good luck to both of you - together or apart.
 
Sooo sorry to hear what you are going through. When will you find out about his hind legs?

Friend of mines pony had a very nasty suspensory injury, with time off, good shoeing and a great mummy he came sound, she rode him til he was 31.

Really really hope this all works out, at least he is with you now and away from those people.
 
What a horrible story. I was so hoping for a happy ending :(

These people (dealer and vet) are obviously as crooked as they come. They must have known the horse would come up lame/difficult, so even if you win a court case against them don't bet on getting any money back from them. If someone has no assets then it really doesn't matter if you win a case - the crooks know how to play the system and retain any cash they have. With that in mind, as everyone has advised I think you have to be very careful with the insurance, as if the insurance stop paying for his treatment (and these ops, investigations could run into £5000 plus territory I would suspect) - then you have to be aware you may get nothing back from the seller. Sorry to be doom and gloom but you sound so genuine I would hate for you to be putting good money after bad.
 
Oh dear, definitely not want you want to hear. However, please don't give up too soon, suspensory ligament damage can be rectified depending on the severity and if the horse can be a good enough treatment. It does sound suspiciously like the dealer well knew this and covered it up and the vet was in cahoots with her. Unfortunately this does happen - when i insured horses there was a case a vet signed off a horse a deceased when in fact he owner and vet had already claimed for the horse death through a previous insureance company and using the same vet! They were in it together!!
 
MrsB said:
I brought up the issue of Boris' weight with the vet once he'd vetted him... he said he tried to mention this to the seller, but as she was a client of his, didn't want to upset her... yet on the vetting form he'd put that she wasn't a client... so he lied!!!
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Might be wrong but think there is some rule that a vet can't vet on your behalf against a client so that might be something else you can follow up! So sorry this has happened to you. It is a minefield buying horses isn't it? Really impressed by how you are handling this and doing the best for you and Boris. Good luck.
 
I've read the whole thread, and really feel for you, and poor Boris. I hope that you don't lose out financially, and it sounds as if youll make the best decisions for the horse, come what may. Please do keep coming back to this thread, to let us know how things progress, I do hope it all comes right, somehow, in the end.
 
CBFan said:
As a fellow owner of a very large young horse I can reassure you that they ARE unballanced and thus they do buck. So, while there could be an underlying problem the bucking could simply be this - I know with my youngster, the fitter he has become, the less bucking he does!

I would echo the others - cut his feed RIGHT down. My boy has add-lib hay but only half a scoop of high fibre cubes and a dolop of speedibeet to have his supplements in. I'd feed a general purpose powder supplement rather than a balancer as balancers can heat them up if they are sensitive types. I've never known a horse to heat up on a powder supp. If you want to help the calories, add some sunflower oil.

Some 'chaffs' contain a LOT of sugar - I'd make sure he is on a mollasses free variety with minimal Alfa alfa content.

Is he getting turnout? if so, how much? young horses really need at least 8 hours a day IMO to expect them to stay sane!

While he isn't as advertised you haven't described anything particularly alarming... i wouldn't hack a youngster and not expect the odd blip and I certainly wouldn't get on an unknown youngster and expect to do with it what you would a more experienced horse i.e canters out hacking, large groups etc... slowly slowly catchy monkey!... he is just a young, insecure horse in unfamiliar surroundings and I would have expected any lameness to show up sooner had bute been used to mask it...
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I agree with this
Need atleast 8 hours turnout
Cut out hard feed, replace with forage
My horse whos 17.3 arrived in August last year . i tried him and he was lovely, ldeal I thought. I got him home and he was a spooky nervous wreck, I came off him twice, and other times, hung on for all its worth.
Hes still a bit spooky now, but he has improved about 80 per cent since August, which isnt even a year. If you can try and persevere, and give him time, to get his confidence, you will likely find he will turn in to a gem. Walking them out in hand is a great way for them to see their surroundings whilst not having the stress of a rider.. works for me ! good luck .
 
Tamba said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I agree with this
Need atleast 8 hours turnout
Cut out hard feed, replace with forage
My horse whos 17.3 arrived in August last year . i tried him and he was lovely, ldeal I thought. I got him home and he was a spooky nervous wreck, I came off him twice, and other times, hung on for all its worth.
Hes still a bit spooky now, but he has improved about 80 per cent since August, which isnt even a year. If you can try and persevere, and give him time, to get his confidence, you will likely find he will turn in to a gem. Walking them out in hand is a great way for them to see their surroundings whilst not having the stress of a rider.. works for me ! good luck .
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Just wondering, have you read through the whole thread?
 
Beausmate said:
Just wondering, have you read through the whole thread?
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no, had no idea, till now, that it took such a horrible twist !
So sorry for OP, but I have my fingers crossed, that it might still be a retrievable situation and that Boris can be treated. I wish the OP would post if there is any more news on his injury.fingers crossed for them both.
 
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