I wouldnt get into this tin either!!! (PAT P:)

that is the american style trailers tho :(

Horrid version of pat p, doesnt look like that in the shows does it!

Would love to see him try this with my mare :D she wouldnt have any of it!
 
Fairynuff said:
Bloody Pat P and as for the owners who let him do this AND smile :(
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This is the disturbing thought, the inane grin on the owners face. The only one of the trio with any common sense is the horse. I'd like to load Prat P and the woman onto that blisteringly hot tin can and take them on a long one way trip.

BTW, wonder what Prat p's thoughts are on horse tanking off with a trailing lead rope whist being chased by a dog ?

Elementry tip (free of charge) for PP. When you're busy congratulating yourself, keep an eye on the horse and don't leave it with the lead rope hanging loose.
 
Sorry - what's the problem??

I've seen people with lunge lines, brooms and beating their horses to load.... this isn't bad

Perhaps you should head out to some local shows???
 
I was just about to say, seen much worse than that in "traditional" horsemanship.

Just because other countries don't have the same plush trailers with ramps that we have, we mustn't judge.
 
Jen_Cots said:
Sorry - what's the problem??

I've seen people with lunge lines, brooms and beating their horses to load.... this isn't bad

Perhaps you should head out to some local shows???
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I think the point is parelli is meant to be "natural" and they say that they only use what is available like how a horse in the wild would act. it is not what they are doing as such, just how it goes against everything they normally say.
 
horserider said:
I'd like to load Prat P and the woman onto that blisteringly hot tin can and take them on a long one way trip.

If you need any help with that I'd be happy to lend a hand :D

Elementry tip (free of charge) for PP. When you're busy congratulating yourself, keep an eye on the horse and don't leave it with the lead rope hanging loose.

That is excellent advice and very generous of you to try and help him
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From what I see of his "work" he needs all the help he can get
 
Jen_Cots said:
Really - he didn't beat the horse, and yes cocked up at the end, but managed to get the horse in that horrible trailer without violence, bondage or a group of people

I couldn't give 2 figs about what he is supposed to be, I'll just judge what I saw
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Ok, interesting.
 
It's true you see worse in traditional horsemanship- but does that make it right?

He seemed to be more interested in impressing the owner IMO- chatting and not realising/ ignoring the fact his stick was almost hitting the horse in the head, and then too busy hugging to notice the horse turning round and jumping out the trailer!
 
Bright_Spark said:
He seemed to be more interested in impressing the owner IMO- chatting and not realising/ ignoring the fact his stick was almost hitting the horse in the head, and then too busy hugging to notice the horse turning round and jumping out the trailer!
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Exactly. A true example of a Muppet.
 
Jen_Cots said:
Really - he didn't beat the horse, and yes cocked up at the end, but managed to get the horse in that horrible trailer without violence, bondage or a group of people

I couldn't give 2 figs about what he is supposed to be, I'll just judge what I saw
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And boy did he cock up at the end , you would not him handling anything precious or valuable would you .
as for loading did the job not much stress not sure why he doubled the difficultly by keeping one door shut though.
 
Jen_Cots said:
Sorry - what's the problem??

I've seen people with lunge lines, brooms and beating their horses to load.... this isn't bad

Perhaps you should head out to some local shows???
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I think it's more (at least for me) how the horse came out, with lead rope still attached. That's what happened to Ned (in the sales care, NOT mine, I should add) but it went wrong and he skinned his back (Blood, scabs, pus, the works!), giving him a fear of trailers ever since and also giving me the tough job of curing him.

And his attitude of "Look, I cured your horse, aren't I fab?" as it was breaking loose and galloping off.
 
He seems to have quite a high opinion of himself, and without much regard for the horse. Don't have much of a problem with the trailer, although would have liked both back doors to be open. But the way he was with the horse? Not inspiring.
 
Of course there is much worse at local shows and on livery yards. Idiots are everywhere, you just wouldn't pay them.

If PP had any horsemanship skills, he wouldn't ask the horse to get in a hot metal oven -and he might keep his focus on the horse instead of his ego.
 
I'm not a parelli fan but tbh I thought that was very mild and handled with tact, unlike some of the other shocking videos released by Pat the Prat and his supporters. The cockup at the end was amusing but speaking as someone whose horse is currently turned out with its leadrope still attached after an incident earlier the less said about that the better!

I can't imagine any of my horses behaving so quietly if asked to load into the tin can, even though I'd describe then as good loaders and travellers.
 
Nah said:
I think it's more (at least for me) how the horse came out, with lead rope still attached. That's what happened to Ned (in the sales care, NOT mine, I should add) but it went wrong and he skinned his back (Blood, scabs, pus, the works!), giving him a fear of trailers ever since and also giving me the tough job of curing him.

And his attitude of "Look, I cured your horse, aren't I fab?" as it was breaking loose and galloping off.
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However he was in an arena with a surface, not concrete. You can see it was a cock up.

Although personally I like to teach all my horses (in the safety of an arena) to have a dangly rope and stop when they stand on it. Extremely handy if they ever get loose and stops them panicking and pulling away.
 
Jen_Cots said:
Sorry - what's the problem??

I've seen people with lunge lines, brooms and beating their horses to load.... this isn't bad

Perhaps you should head out to some local shows???
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No sound on mine, but...

My big problem with that clip is that an unsettled horse has just had a loose rope thrown in after it (not forgotten about but chucked in after) :/ The damage that can be done in the trailor, then jumping out and then legging it? Major.

Also that a whip is being smacked against it's face, I'd never go near the face for that.

The rest I don't mind as is done very calmly. I have huge doubts that the horse was ever a problem loader though...
 
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Fair amount of crap posted on this thread, as usual when the P word gets a mention.

Seen so much really poor detrimental techniques used in show car parks all the time.

Of course he cocked up st the end, not a massive issue.

Interesting how much energy he used round the horse, rather than trying to sneak the horse on the trailer like is usually seen.
 
Pale Rider said:
Seen so much really poor detrimental techniques used in show car parks all the time.
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I don't understand this?
Why does someone else poorly loading a horse justify someone elses handling?

The load itself I didn't mind apart from whip on face. Personally would have opened the other door, but ultimately he got horse on trailer with minimal time and drama.

The exit, appalling.

Regardless of the name put with it, my answer would have been the same.
 
Pale Rider said:
Fair amount of crap posted on this thread, as usual when the P word gets a mention.

Seen so much really poor detrimental techniques used in show car parks all the time.

Of course he cocked up st the end, not a massive issue.

Interesting how much energy he used round the horse, rather than trying to sneak the horse on the trailer like is usually seen.
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Not a massive issue at the end come on PR if one of my grooms ignored one of mine like that while it was loose in a trailer so it escaped and galloped off while congratulating themselves about how clever they with a member of the opposite sex I would be furious.
 
It wasn't an exit, it was an escape and bog off, lol.

Parelli's own personality makes him a bit of a prat.

The issue is getting horses to load, and the fact is, from the horses point of view its not about the trailer at all.
 
Pale Rider said:
It wasn't an exit, it was an escape and bog off, lol.

Parelli's own personality makes him a bit of a prat.

The issue is getting horses to load, and the fact is, from the horses point of view its not about the trailer at all.
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An escape made stupidly easy by lobbing the rope in after the horse and leaving the door open while turning away.

The load itself if it had been controlled after the horse was in would have been fine, not entirely to my taste, but not something I'd be annoyed about if I watched it happen.
I don't see an escape and bog off as a successful load though as I can't imagine the next time around will be any easier. Yes it may put it's feet on faster, but I'd expect a quicker spin and launch off tbh.

Can't say I've ever watched/read anything (bar clips like this with no sound) to make any opinion on him. I can happily say there are aspects of parelli (few that I know much about) that I do not agree with at all. Not because it's parrelli, but because of the interaction with the horse.
 
Bright_Spark said:
It's true you see worse in traditional horsemanship- but does that make it right?

He seemed to be more interested in impressing the owner IMO- chatting and not realising/ ignoring the fact his stick was almost hitting the horse in the head, and then too busy hugging to notice the horse turning round and jumping out the trailer!
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yarp!! that pretty much sums it up:D
 
Personally I don't see anything wrong in how he got the horse on the trailer. I do see a problem with the trailer itself, and leaving the lead rope dangling.
 
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