Iberian influences on Ludo, anyone?

[ycbm]

Ludo from his fifth ever lesson today. He's four, schooled for less than six months, maybe twice a week for half an hour in a wide arena, and he's really growing up! Our trainer today was a bit shocked by his progress and extremely complimentary, which has made my day after a week with a bad cold. He says he has three super paces, and if this is what he's capable of at four, he's going to be really good.

He has moments of inconsistent work, of course, but he's getting more and more rideable, and allowing me to look like a better rider than in the early days when he was throwing me everywhere! Our trainer is now saying how well I'm doing with him instead of hinting that I might not be good enough to do him justice, which is great 😁.

He isn't stuck in these positions, either, I can get him to reach down and out and come back up again too. Better still, he is such a loving and lovely character. I sometimes wonder how he just fell in my lap when I wasn't looking for a special horse.

But doesn't he look Iberian? More Luso than PRE, though Appys are in theory from Spain originally???

 

[tristar]

he`s a bit like one of my tres sangres, - nice head,big bum carries his tail well

can`t understand a trainer saying that, surely they realize how dodgy it can be to ride a big baby initially

 

[shortstuff99]

I do think he is gorgeous! But honestly I can't see any iberian in him, sorry!

 

[ycbm]

he`s a bit like one of my tres sangres, - nice head,big bum carries his tail well

can`t understand a trainer saying that, surely they realize how dodgy it can be to ride a big baby initially

It was just a sort of musing to himself comment he made one day early on. And really, I'm not as strong in the saddle as I used to be when I was younger, and Ludo is very loose and big moving and he was throwing all his legs, and me, in all directions at once 😂. I completely understood it, I took it as a tribute to how good he thinks Ludo might be going to be.


What's a tres sangres TriStar?
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[ycbm]

I do think he is gorgeous! But honestly I can't see any iberian in him, sorry!

No worries 😁. Apart from a lack of hair, his trot picture looks quite like a poster my friend has on her wall.

Who cares, anyway, when he's an unregistered mongrel, and just lovely to have around?


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[shortstuff99]

No worries 😁. Apart from a lack of hair, his trot picture looks quite like a poster my friend has on her wall.

Who cares, anyway, when he's an unregistered mongrel, and just lovely to have around?


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Well indeed he is a great horse either way

 

[tristar]

It was just a sort of musing to himself comment he made one day early on. And really, I'm not as strong in the saddle as I used to be when I was younger, and Ludo is very loose and big moving and he was throwing all his legs, and me, in all directions at once 😂. I completely understood it, I took it as a tribute to how good he thinks Ludo might be going to be.


What's a tres sangres TriStar?


its a cross of three bloods, iberian, tb and arab, i have one thats half pre, out of anglo arab mare, and one thats out of a tb mare but still a three blood horse, they are often used for working the cattle and for the spanish dressage doma vaquera, which means something like`` discipline cowboy``


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so glad he`s doing so well, looks and sounds like he suits down to the ground

 

[tristar]

It was just a sort of musing to himself comment he made one day early on. And really, I'm not as strong in the saddle as I used to be when I was younger, and Ludo is very loose and big moving and he was throwing all his legs, and me, in all directions at once 😂. I completely understood it, I took it as a tribute to how good he thinks Ludo might be going to be.


What's a tres sangres TriStar?
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its a cross of three bloods, pre tb arab, in various proportions

 

[ycbm]

I've always thought he looked Araby. I don't know if he gets that from his Standardbred mother or his mongrel appy dad. I love it anyway, my first horse was a purebred.

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[ihatework]

I can see Arab influence, not so much Iberian though

 

[Snowfilly]

At one time the appy stud book was open to various crosses of quarter horse and TB, and I think Arab as well? They went in the lowest grade and were bred up, there's some very sporty spotties around now! Certainly something blood horse in his head.

He's a very handsome chap.

 

[SpottyMare]

At one time the appy stud book was open to various crosses of quarter horse and TB, and I think Arab as well? They went in the lowest grade and were bred up, there's some very sporty spotties around now! Certainly something blood horse in his head.

He's a very handsome chap.

He is indeed a handsome chap

The BApS Nationals are held near me (took mine when she was a baby) and it's interesting to see the various sizes and shapes that are both full and part registered. Mine's full registered, but only as a grade D - she's got appy parents, but she's really a heinz 57, having appy, knabstrupper, cleveland bay, QH and TB (way back) in her bloodline. There may well be some arab as well, but I can't remember..

 

[Errin Paddywack]

When BApS was first formed back in the 70's they took whatever was available. No purebreds then and a very eclectic mix of horses they were, basically anything with spots that fitted the basic criteria. I was at the inaugural meeting and the first ever National Show. Some lovely stock even then including the fabulous Klaus, but a lot of very ordinary animals too. At that time a lot of breeds were accepted as crosses, only real no no's were draught and pony, also grey, roan and coloured.
There were quite a few imported spotties, american and canadian apps and also knabstrups. We also benefited by the american horses that had to stop off here in quarantine on their way to Australia. Usually stood at stud while they were here.
Very interesting times back then.

 

[BBP]

I don’t see any Iberian but definitely Arab influence. Just lovely.

 

[tristar]

i can see app and arab, i think, however i have known pre families with very arab concave heads surprisingly as opposed to roman nose baroque

there are different strains, studs families whatever who show quite strong physical differences and tendencies

 

[Pearlsasinger]

At one time the appy stud book was open to various crosses of quarter horse and TB, and I think Arab as well? They went in the lowest grade and were bred up, there's some very sporty spotties around now! Certainly something blood horse in his head.

He's a very handsome chap.

At one time BApS register was open to all horses that fitted the breed characteristics, even if they were of completely unknown breeding. Our first Appy mare, of unknown breeding and sold as roan, although she was actually very spotty, was quite big barrelled with a large head, a rather 'Araby' tail and absolutely fabulous paces. She looked (and behaved when we first got her home) like a circus horse.
We saw the Spanish Riding School demonstration at the NEC a few years ago and realised that she must have had some Iberian baroque breeding in the mix.

 

[shortstuff99]

i can see app and arab, i think, however i have known pre families with very arab concave heads surprisingly as opposed to roman nose baroque

there are different strains, studs families whatever who show quite strong physical differences and tendencies

If a PRE has a really Arab looking concave head that is a disqualifying fault and not accepted into the stud book. If anyone is interested there is some more info here https://bapsh.co.uk/wp-content/uplo...GRADING-CRITERIA-DISQUALIFYING-FAULTS-etc.pdf

 

[tristar]

well i suggest you take a look at some of the top uk national champions, the late granero, viva iberica i was surprised pleasantly his head was far from roman

of course we are not talking here about extreme modern deformed arab heads, more a tendency

 

[shortstuff99]

well i suggest you take a look at some of the top uk national champions, the late granero, viva iberica i was surprised pleasantly his head was far from roman

of course we are not talking here about extreme modern deformed arab heads, more a tendency

I am quite in the PRE and PSL community and the top winners have a straight or slightly roman nose an arab looking head is never going to be accepted.

 

[tristar]

get this clear i am only talking a tendency, or impression i also breed these horses

 

[shortstuff99]

get this clear i am only talking a tendency, or impression i also breed these horses

Okay but in your post #15 you did say 'very arab concave head' which as a breeder you would know was a fault. If you meant an impression then you can see why I got confused.

 

[tristar]

well i breed part breds actually sorry should have said that, the heads just looked more concave than i was expecting and i was on a yard at one time with 50 iberians most of which, were stallions and a lot were very baroque, so i was surprised to see the more araby type heads, and thats what i meant , that i could get caught out by the head being araby when saying ludo was or was not iberian because he looks araby, got too complicated i`m afraid!

 

[SpottyMare]

This piqued my interest so I've just gone back through 1 breeding line on all breeds pedigree for my horse and also found a load of Morgans, a Standardbred and the suspected Arab...

So @ycbm - I suspect Iberian is entirely possible!

 

[ycbm]

I only meant 'a flavour' of it myself. There is just something I see in him that I also see in the Lusos ridden and bred at National level at a place up the road from me. Cortez also told me that he has a baroque body shape in that he is wide wide at the wither, has an enormous round rib cage, but is actually narrow through my knees. I find his shape extremely comfortable to sit to.

I'm under no illusions, he's an unregistered mongrel passported as a partbred Standardbred. But I love how he's turned out (whiteness aside!) and my trainer is already murmuring about him being eventually capable of GP, which I'm completely over the moon about.

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[SpottyMare]

Ah but that's what I was getting it - it's entirely plausible that there's a bit more than just 'a flavour'. Whatever else he's got in him, the combination has produced an absolutely stunning horse

 

[shortstuff99]

This piqued my interest so I've just gone back through 1 breeding line on all breeds pedigree for my horse and also found a load of Morgans, a Standardbred and the suspected Arab...

So @ycbm - I suspect Iberian is entirely possible!

Spanish horses are the original basis behind most of the spotted breeds so they are in there. There is now a resurgence of trying to recreate a spanish spotted horse, more info here https://bapsh.co.uk/spanish-spotted-saddle-horse/

I do really like YCBM's horse but I'm not sure there is a lot of spanish in there 😊.

 

[tristar]

theres a pic somewhere in a book a spotted iberian which is stunning just cant remember where i saw it.

this gets more interesting cause we have a rescue horse who is coloured at the front end and big spots at the back end [blanket] and he is turning into a lovely thing, with a smart fine head, and he moves very nicely, not yet broken,, getting there very slowly though, hes 4 years now, no idea what he is but has white round the eyes of appys and the sparse tail some tb maybe but dare i dream he may have some iberian?

 

[ycbm]

We can all dream 🤩, it's fun.