I'd like some opinions please....*long post!*

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Sorry for the long post for a start!! :o I can't remember the exact time frames either so this is a rough guess!

My share mare has been having problems on and off for the last 2/3 years.
She started with laminitis in summer of 2010 and had her feet padded, taped up, box rest, bute etc.

Slowly, she recovered well from this but almost the minute we started riding, came down with it again badly and became quite depressed. Vet advised PTS, but we decided to give her a chance - within 2 weeks, she had started to improve - she got her fire and spirit back, she started to become more mobile etc and eventually we got back to riding her. Vet recommended remedial farrier who put heart bars on her and she is still in these.

In winter, it happened again. At this point, I must mention she is (and always has been) treated as a strict laminitic - muzzled when turned out (only turned out for 2-4 hours every other day), soaked hay and, when fed, Happy Hoof or something similar. She's not overweight and ridden daily when fit etc. This particular time, she couldn't even walk. Vet again advised PTS and again, we gave her a chance.

After 2 weeks, the farrier said he wouldn't be at all surprised if she had Cushings (right age, 17) so we pushed for blood tests. Vet took a LOT of persuading and eventually he did bloods and then, we pushed for Cushings meds (blood tests took 6 weeks to return!!!! And we wanted to try the meds to see if it worked) - eventually, he gave us the meds. Within 2 weeks, she was bucking round her stable, whinnying, her spirit was back and we were so pleased. It took a lot of time to be able to ride her again - walking her out, in hand grazing, small paddock turn out etc you get the idea.

To cut a long story short, she was doing brilliantly hacking round. This year, we'd even just started trotting on the straight in the sand school and on the bridle path (she didn't want to stick to trotting on the bridlepath though!) Every time she's been shod however she's been quite sore. She had her shoes done 2 weeks ago (I think this was the trigger) and she became very footsore and has been ever since really, on and off. We were walking her to the estate (over the stones) and getting on on the road where it was flat.

Last week, she came down with laminitis - she's not even been turned out. Farrier said its not laminitis, but the stance is so unique (not to mention familiar :() so we wonder if it was trauma to the feet? She's very sore on and off i.e., yesterday she was a nightmare jumping about in her stable, today she could barely walk. She doesn't mind us picking her feet out at all, no heat, no swelling and no digital pulse today (although there has been a pulse on and off) She does get a bit stiff (she's getting on! though she doesn't think it ;)) so I wondered about adding oil to a bit of feed daily for her with her not being exercised. We have been opening her door and letting her wander but she wanders far too fast and she walks us (yeah, she walks us!) to where she wants to go!! (her feet don't seem to bother her as much when there's haylage or grass on offer!)

What are your opinions - we debated whether there was a deep abscess, whether it IS lami, whether she's still just footsore from being shod last week, whether she's playing up?? (Farrier did say a few months ago she was taking the mickey out of us haha and at the time, I think she was - y'know, the dying duck act when she had to go back to her stable! But I don't think she is now)

We are at a loss as what to do or what to think. PTS is definitely NOT an option, as she's so bright and happy, she whinnies constantly to anyone and everyone, eating and drinking normally, taking her Prascend fine etc etc.

Is saltwater worth a try? :confused: She's having a Danilon sachet when she's been sore and is currently on box rest.

Apologies for the long post and I hope this makes some sense!!!!!!
K x
 
Has she had x rays done?
I'd get s full work up done, she evidently has something amiss?arthritis?

Sorry yeah I forgot to mention that :o
She had x rays way back when she first started and pedal bone rotation was evident in both front feet. However, farrier reckons they are much improved now (how he can solidly state this without x rays I'm not sure though?) and her feet are definitely in a better state than they were with our previous farrier, a far better shape and condition.
Vet thinks she may have a touch of arthritis - it just seems odd that she can change so dramatically from broncing on the bridlepath to not being able to walk :confused:
K x
 
Could the laminitis have been caused by stress or concussion?

Yes, that's what we were thinking. Maybe it's not a deep abscess or something like that, but just laminitis caused by the stress concussion of having her feet redone.
We just aren't sure of the best thing to do for her :(
K x
 
I would definitely again have full work up and X-rays to check for arthritis etc if the last lot was a few years ago.
My mare has ringbone and DJD and she sometimes gets a bee in her bonnet when out on a ride just wanting to go almost forgetting the pain is there!
 
I would definitely again have full work up and X-rays to check for arthritis etc if the last lot was a few years ago.
My mare has ringbone and DJD and she sometimes gets a bee in her bonnet when out on a ride just wanting to go almost forgetting the pain is there!

I do think it's a good idea, it's just difficult as she's not my horse :o and her owner wants to give it some time to see if she comes right - I can completely understand as I can only imagine how much it would cost. Maybe if she carries on, it will be the only option.
To be honest, if she was sound to be walked in hand and happy, I'd be more than pleased!
K x
 
Can't help but I know how you feel, mysti has been ridiculously prone since her attack last year and still isn't back up to full time out (2/3 hours a day at the mo) :( but is bright and happy in herself. It really is difficult judging how far to push it when you can't see what's going on inside their hooves! Dont think the spring like weather we've had all year is helpful either :o could you have more X-rays done and see if she can go barefoot if she's worse after having her feet done?
 
Can't help but I know how you feel, mysti has been ridiculously prone since her attack last year and still isn't back up to full time out (2/3 hours a day at the mo) :( but is bright and happy in herself. It really is difficult judging how far to push it when you can't see what's going on inside their hooves! Dont think the spring like weather we've had all year is helpful either :o could you have more X-rays done and see if she can go barefoot if she's worse after having her feet done?

It's a nightmare isn't it!!
I wouldn't ever try her barefoot seeing how she is when she's being shod :( when they take her shoes off they have to get carpet for her to stand on, she's a right little princess! Her hooves need hardening up too. I'm currently researching joint supplements, if anyone has any experiences, I'd be glad to hear them.
K x
 
I have a siilar situation with my cushings mare. This time she did not come right after 4 weeks treatment with danilon, ACP and confinement to the sand. She is barefoot. xrays show no rotation but vet said her soles had become thin due to the Cushings and that was what was causing her pain. I have to wait for my farrier to get back from holiday and am having imprint shoes fitted. I do not agree with nailing shoes on laminitics. If I were you, I would hve her shoes removed and buy her some boots.
 
I have a siilar situation with my cushings mare. This time she did not come right after 4 weeks treatment with danilon, ACP and confinement to the sand. She is barefoot. xrays show no rotation but vet said her soles had become thin due to the Cushings and that was what was causing her pain. I have to wait for my farrier to get back from holiday and am having imprint shoes fitted. I do not agree with nailing shoes on laminitics. If I were you, I would hve her shoes removed and buy her some boots.

That's interesting Wagtail, thank you. I never thought about the Cushings having a direct effect on the soles like that - she does often get bruised by stones, I guess this could be the reason?
K x
 
Just to let you know that my horse has become 100% sound with her new imprint shoes. I'm delighted. Obviously, she will still be treated as laminitic and have her grazing restricted, but it means I can now attempt to bring her back into light work after over two and a half years 'retirement' due to her shoulder injury. After speaking with the vets, I have been advised that exercise will help with her Cushings and with keeping her weight in check, so now I am just hoping that her shoulder stands up to the gentle work.
 
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