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Beccahh

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Grr!
My dads just rang me as he offered to put the horses out this morning =]
so at the moment we have had to resort to taking one at a time as math (welsh D) has decided to play up going sideways and jogging ect however this isnt seriouse and he does it time to time we only take one at a time as my other horse jack is 25 and blind in one eye and panicks (sp) anywayy
so my dad takes jack first and he goes out no problem then goes and gets math and puts him out and as he the boss of the field he throws a face ect but one of the other horses came up and kept pestering him so math ended up giving him a kick in the side.

at that moment the other horses owner had arrived whitnessed it and RAN!! into the field to get her horse who had a little mark thats it and kicked offf at my dad

my dad refused to kick of at her and said its what horses do

well now iv had phone calls for the yard commity from herself
apparently she wants me to pay for a vet to come out and check him over ect as it was math who kicked him
she has told the commity shes seen him fighting with most of the horses and conering them ect i would belive this apart from i know my horse and he goes far away from the group to eat and just watches them
Do some people realise horses are horses ! wouldnt mind but her horse has almost kicked me in the head twice and the yard told her she would have to put him in a paddock on his own but i found this mean so explained he must have felt threatend by me so he could stay in the field

sorry for the bad spelling,grammer post im fumming shes now sent a message saying he could do with a xray incase anyribs are broken pffttt i dont think so!
might text her back saying "of course and when math gets in he will get a stern telling of and sent to bed with no tea"
 
my dad refused to kick of at her and said its what horses do
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Actually it's not. Horses behaving in this way need to be separated. Yours sounds like a bully - and as another livery owner sharing your field I would want him out.
 
Ahh some people! :|

I think everyones been there at somepoint with their horse hurting another one. But i dont think you should have to pay for anything unless she has out a vet herself and he proves that any injury is from the kick.

I mean Honey beats up Mysti a bit at the mo cos shes grouchy with the lack of grass, and Mystis small and fine so i do worry a bit and ive seen Honey give her some real double barrels in her side (and her ribs!) and shes never ever ever even had bruising lol

But yeah ill shut up now cos im rambling .. :p

Edited to say - If it happens again, i think i would move out of the field, just to keep out of arguements :)
 
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mine isnt a bully if he was horses would be coming in everyday with injuries he simply retaliated to another horse sticking its head between his legs.like i said he stayes away from the group the most he does is pull a face at the others.everyhorse kicks out its a natural reaction.i would rather share a field with a dominate welsh than a nutter that kicks out a people. i refuse to pay anymoney out and the yard just rang and i politly said thats fine now could you let ( so and so ) know i would like money of them as there horses have been seen kicking and fighting with jack .. they soon shut up
my argument is why people think i have control of a horse when its in a field
 
Ahh joys of mixing horses, if the horse isn't showing signs of discomfort im assuming the would feel broken ribs (dont quote me) maybe call the landowner and ask them for advice. How old is the owner of other horse? cant see it needing x rays tbh maybe say you will pay for a vet if they find anything broken/needing stitched? that way if it is just a cut she foots the bill.

My boy was kicked in leg he was lame i got vet out my self and paid for it, Mates horse on old yard was chased so badly she couldn't breath was herded into a corner and kicked until we got in between with lunging whip, she was cut/bleeding and friend paid the bill.
 
Horses will sometimes kick out if they feel threatened, which is what yours did by the sounds of it.
Only horses who repeatedly bully other horses or those that act agressively towards people should be separated.
 
I agree with some of the above, if your horse is constantly aggresive towards other horses then he should be seperated, maybe with your other horse for company. However, this has only come to light since she has seen your horse kick hers, so I doubt he really has done all the other things she has mentioned.

She should have full insurance for her horse that will pay for a vetting/xray etc. If your horse has done some damage you may be able to claim 3rd party liability on yours.

If neither of you have insurance, let this be a lesson.
 
I think when you are angry to the point of being virtually incoherent it is a bad time to be having discussions with other owners about who is to blame, who should pay, and how to resolve it.

Calm down a bit and think it through. The other owner has suggested that your horse is a bully consistently - well then, perhaps they should have said something before if that is their view - they have a responsibility to mitigate risk too.

Can your two go out in a paddock on their own?
 
Well our pony had her leg fractured after being kicked by another in the field, but it was just one of those things and I wouldn't have demanded vets fees. However, if a horse is a known field bully (not saying yours is OP) I would probably ask that mine be kept separately from it. Tbh in your case I would be more concerned that your old and partially blind pony appears to be being bullied by others in the field, perhaps you could ask YO if your two could have another field together.
 
Beccahh said:
mine isnt a bully if he was horses would be coming in everyday with injuries he simply retaliated to another horse sticking its head between his legs.like i said he stayes away from the group the most he does is pull a face at the others.everyhorse kicks out its a natural reaction.i would rather share a field with a dominate welsh than a nutter that kicks out a people. i refuse to pay anymoney out and the yard just rang and i politly said thats fine now could you let ( so and so ) know i would like money of them as there horses have been seen kicking and fighting with jack .. they soon shut up
my argument is why people think i have control of a horse when its in a field
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Mm see your point, but its kind of like if you had a dog and it ran away and bit someone it would be your responibility because you own the dog and you have to take responsibility :/

If that makes sense?
 
Horses will be horses and I agree with you I wouldnt pay for her to get the vet out either as previously said if you horse was as bad as she said why didnt she do something about it before this happened she's just trying it on.
 
well had a text then from a friend hes taken a tiny biit of fur of but horse trotting up well
no lamness ect ... also been told something i wont go in deatail about.normally were all fine in the field we have a nice group they all settle well so this was out of the blue but no theres a reason for the kick of and iv had a call from the commity explaining no action will be taken and they checked math whos at the top of the field munching.sorry for the rant iv calmed down again now. what people will do to get what they want hmm haha
 
everyhorse kicks out its a natural reaction
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Not necessarily - and whilst I can't testify to the fact that he's never done it, I have never seen my horse lift a leg to another.

The natural order of things is for horses to leave peacfully together, in a herd environment. There is usually a very clearly defined pecking order - which results in no violence on behalf of any horse being necessary.

However, if you put any horses in the mix that don't follow these 'rules' you have problems. We've all seen it and experienced it - and an owner is not to blame. However, the owner can resolve the situation by managing it, and understanding when a problem exists.
 
Beccahh - I totally agree with you here. My 3 year old cob is the head of his field, nothing I can do about it, it's just how they've worked it out. He's exactly the same as your boy in that mostly he stays separate and keeps an eye on everyone else but sometimes they do wind each other up and they kick out. I've seen all of them do it and it's just what they do.

I agree that if it was happening all the time then yes, he is being a bully and should be separated, and this is what will happen if Harry starts hurting the other horses, but otherwise it's just what they do.

For god sake, Harry got kicked in the head/neck by his field mate Jasper about 5 times the other morning (serves him right for nibbling his bum) but he was no worse off for it and his own fault for getting up his arse lol!
 
sorry guys just seen more of your posts well on our yard we have sick paddocks what are very nice ect now you have to have a reason to move into one of these paddocks such as lamness,lammi or a injury. well our field is in need of some tlc so we have all decided one weekend to go down and sort it all out new fence go and give the water trough a really good scrub out instead of a quick clean.i dont want to say much but erm someones trying to get a sick paddock so they dont have to help and its closer for them to walk to
and this morining was a good opitunity
and its now been sorted and maths cleared his name haha
also we cant move jack he is so much calmer and happier in a group due to his problems moving him in with just math might take him back to square one and i dont think i can go through that again
 
adding to that
if math had cornered someones horse and battered it i would offer to pay some fees.
and if he was fighting all the time i would look at moving him into the other geldings but thankfully hes very quiet :) thanks for the help everyone
im very chilled and calm and got a apology phone call just then :)
 
I can see both sides to this.

I personally WOULDN'T pay for a vet to come and check over because its accepting liability, and you'd be totally screwed if someone WAS wrong with him.

However, I'd also warn your insurance company and let them know that you may need to use your 3rd party. If you don't have it, stupid stupid person.

I would, however, send a card (or a text or whatever) saying something like "sorry to hear you're upset about *****'s leg. Bloody horses eh! Boys will be boys. Let me know if I can help you in any way". She might be upset because you're not showing her any sympathy for her horse.

However, and I'm NOT saying this is the case, but if your horse DOES regularly kick out and IS a bully (not just getting other horses to go away occasionally by a face pull or a raised leg) then I would be seeing about separating him in some way. Your insurance will only pay out once. xxxxx
 
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Wow, Kub, this is acceptable?????:eek:
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It is when Harry won't leave him alone, tbh, it was his own fault. He can be a bit narky to the others and likes to wind them up. What are they meant to do if he won't stop trying to bite their bottoms?

Him and Jasper are awful for play fighting anyways, they wind each other up and chase each other around. Neither have come to any harm, something would be done if they did though. And I know they don't hate each other as 5 minutes later they'll be giving each other a good groom. Silly boys lol
 
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Kub said:
It is when Harry won't leave him alone, tbh, it was his own fault. He can be a bit narky to the others and likes to wind them up. What are they meant to do if he won't stop trying to bite their bottoms?
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Well I don't quite know what to say - people are so blaze about behaviour.......
 
Lots of horses have little occasional 'handbags at dawn' moments, it's quite normal. Being told off by older horses is also one of the ways young horses learn the boundaries. If it was every five minutes then there would be cause for concern, but a little stroppy moment (which is what the OPs experience sounds like) is not a cause for concern IMO. I'm glad it has all been sorted out.
 
Spudlet said:
Lots of horses have little occasional 'handbags at dawn' moments, it's quite normal. Being told off by older horses is also one of the ways young horses learn the boundaries. If it was every five minutes then there would be cause for concern, but a little stroppy moment (which is what the OPs experience sounds like) is not a cause for concern IMO. I'm glad it has all been sorted out.
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Ditto this :)
 
Second the bit about older horses teaching youngsters their place, my old now deceased partbred was top horse and a very kind lady, a girl just purchased a youngster and wanted to turn her out YO suggested my girl would be good imagine my embarrassment when said "lady" kicked 6 kinds of brick dust out of her then they went off together and grazed, it does happen and in this case was a one off. Glad your problems are solved.
 
Spudlet said:
Lots of horses have little occasional 'handbags at dawn' moments, it's quite normal. Being told off by older horses is also one of the ways young horses learn the boundaries. If it was every five minutes then there would be cause for concern, but a little stroppy moment (which is what the OPs experience sounds like) is not a cause for concern IMO. I'm glad it has all been sorted out.
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Exactly. They are animals after all and will keep the pecking order. Genie is top mare and will warn by first pulling faces, and then just lifting a back leg, but I have seen her kick out at my yearling when she's pushing it. It's perfectly normal and natural, and no way should your horse be separated because of one incident - otherwise all horses would end up in individual turnout - even the best of friends will have arguments!
 
Oh goodness arent livery yards frustrating? Thankfully my two are kept seperate and just have each other for company. I think a lot of problems occur when there are new horses in the pack. A settled hurd will just have the 'hand bags at dawn' sometimes but its usually easily settled. Our livery has small fields with just one or two in, but even that has its problems! I have also encountered the obsessive horse owner first hand and my horse was ordered out the field and was put on his own, he stood at the gate whinnying for a week. I mooved yards! Think thats the answer, get a good yard where everything is done by the book and monitered. Dont let the commity rule! Think we could start another thread here! Livery yards, GRRRRRRR!
 
i dont see why the other owner thinks you are to blame ,
you cant stop your horse doing anything when its in the field unless u are going to sit with it all day !!
 
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