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I'm sure this has been done many times before, but could someone give me an idiots guide to BSJA affiliated SJ?

I've looked at their website, seen the class heights and am confident we can do these. I've jumped a few classes on tickets and I'd like to have a go at British Novice, but how do the classes work and what about the qualifications?

Thanks everyone :-)
 
LifeofRiley said:
I'm sure this has been done many times before, but could someone give me an idiots guide to BSJA affiliated SJ?

I've looked at their website, seen the class heights and am confident we can do these. I've jumped a few classes on tickets and I'd like to have a go at British Novice, but how do the classes work and what about the qualifications?

Thanks everyone :-)
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right ok here we go

British novice, discovery, newcomers and foxhunter you must gain 4 double clears before end of May 2011 to compete in the regional 2nd rounds

you may only compete in 4 2nd rounds and come in the top 2 to qualify for final

BN, Disc qualify for scope (end of aug)

Newc/Fox qualify for HOYS

double clears count even if you do not get placed

not all the money you win will go onto your horses card (which is the notional) this dictates which classes you can do

BN up to £99
Disc £149
New £299
Fox £599

sometimes you may want to hold the horses back to gain double clears for the year after as well

you also have the Blue Chips which is in april - top 8 qualify and have classes from 90cm - 1.30m

you also have the amatuer competitions which have their own final

Then you have things like winter Novice - horses not to have won more than 300 and riders not in top 50 !!

hmmmm anything else?
 
Oops X posted with Tinks - sorry :(

Wow big subject, I'm sure I may get something wrong, so please don’t shoot me!
I’ll concentrate on the lower end of things as you said it was British Novice you’d jumped. You probably know a lot of this already, but hopefully it will help.

There are several levels of shows, the venues can mix and match but most run the fairly standard progressive level, you may also want to look out for intro shows.

There are several ‘groups’ of classes:
Intro classes, these start at 70cm can be entered by almost anyone (only run at intro shows)
‘National classes’ this is usually British Novice (90cm), Discovery (1m) Newcommers (1.10m) and Foxhunter (1.20m) these have limits about the amount of NOTIONAL prize money the horse has won (see below).
Amateur classes are also run from 90cm – 1.20m these are for almost anyone (you mustn’t be in the top 250 riders in the country)

The schedule often will have something like:
Unaff clear round/unaffiliated 80cm
British Novice
1m Amateur
Discovery
Newcomers/1.10
Foxhunter/1.20

The last two permit any horses to enter but the results are split between Newcomer eligible horses and open horses.

Prize money:
The BSJA records acual and notional, actual is a reasonable indication of if the horse has had a lot of double clears or has competed at shows with a large proze fund but thats about it. Notional is what the horse is graded on (grade C being the lowest) and is also what governs which ‘national’ classes he/she is elligable for:
BN max £100
Disc Max £175
Newc max £300
Fox Max£600
The amount of notional is listed in the rule book, but basically, any intro class you get £1 for a place, any place.
For the ‘national’ classes you get say £15, £12, £10, £8, £6 £4 for british novice (more for the higere classes) but this is only graded if you do a double clear, you can win with 4f in the jump off and get no notional (but you will receive cold hard cash from the show centre)

Qualifiactions:
No qualifications for the intro stuff (although they count if your area runs points tables)
For the national classes you need to jump four double clears, it doesn’t matter if you don’t get placed, this qualifies you for the second rounds which are held regionally you can compete in two (they qualify for national finals)
Amateur classes qualify for their second rounds and you have to be in the 1st six to qualify.
There are also winter qualifying competitions where the 1st two qualify (these are on similar rules to the ‘national’ comps)
These classes run all year and 2nd rounds are once a year.

All classes are generally two rounds, a first not against the clock and the 2nd a speed round against the clock. Many of the above (but not the british novice) can be run as ‘two phase’ this is where you do the first half of the course not against the clock, if you go clear you carry on and do the 2nd half against the clock (saves warming up twice and is quicker to run). Occasionally you will see one phase where you can carry on regardless and the faults are combined.

This is all the official stuff, I'll do another bit on how the show itself goes.
 
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This is based soley on my exerience so it may be different at shows or regions I haven't competed at.

If yo've jumped on a ticket you know this, but hopefully it might help someone else.

Generally these days you enter on the day (i'm not talking county shows and the like just the bread and butter shows at the local centres) so you can change your mind and go at the last moment.

Allow about 1-1.5 hours per class (less for the bigger ones usually) depending how organised the places you go are and how popular they are (and the day of the week, sunday is usually busier than tuesday)

Theoretically you are supposed to be correctly dressed for walking the course but its rarely an issue.

Put your number down on the board by the collecting ring which will give you a running order and an idea of how long before you (about 1.5-2 mins per horse, ish (very ish), more if its 2 phase) I like to allow about 8 horses for warming up, but I also prefer to go 2nd or 3rd so the warm up is quet so I warm up during the prizes from the prevous class.

Anything else?
 
Thanks both, that's really helpful.

There's a lot of info but I think I've got my head round it!

With the actual and notional prize money, what happens then if I win a class with a double clear and receive say £25 prize money. Does that mean I would get £25 actual and what notional would I get??

Also then what happens if I won a class with faults, say for arguement's sake 4faults? Would it mean I get the prize money in cash but then it not go on the actual or notional??!

Wow, I'm really looking forward to it now!

:-)
 
LifeofRiley said:
Thanks both, that's really helpful.

There's a lot of info but I think I've got my head round it!

With the actual and notional prize money, what happens then if I win a class with a double clear and receive say £25 prize money. Does that mean I would get £25 actual and what notional would I get??

Also then what happens if I won a class with faults, say for arguement's sake 4faults? Would it mean I get the prize money in cash but then it not go on the actual or notional??!

Wow, I'm really looking forward to it now!

:-)
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Notional is very confusing it is best to go to page i think 51 on rule book online and it will tell you !!! it depends in what class

no you always get the prize money and notional just not the double clear !! but i think that is very slim in happening until you get to about 1.30m level to be honest !
 
LifeofRiley said:
Thanks both, that's really helpful.

There's a lot of info but I think I've got my head round it!

With the actual and notional prize money, what happens then if I win a class with a double clear and receive say £25 prize money. Does that mean I would get £25 actual and what notional would I get??

Also then what happens if I won a class with faults, say for arguement's sake 4faults? Would it mean I get the prize money in cash but then it not go on the actual or notional??!

Wow, I'm really looking forward to it now!

:-)
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If you win a BN, Disco, Newc or Fox with 4 faults, you get the actual but not the notional. For 90cm and 1m amateurs you get no notional anyway.

Also, just a quick correction: Tinks' info about qualifying for second rounds is right for Newc and Fox (you can tell her horse does the big classes!) but the qualifying period to get your double clears for BN and Disco runs until end April, not May and you may only do two second rounds, not four.

Good luck and post some reports!
 
Thanks - I'm planning on doing the BN at Duckhurst Farm in Kent this weekend so will post a report from that!

Im going to jump on a ticket I think then send off the membership forms depending on how it goes!

Fingers crossed for good luck!!!

Thanks everyone :-)
 
HotToTrot said:
Also, just a quick correction: Tinks' info about qualifying for second rounds is right for Newc and Fox (you can tell her horse does the big classes!) but the qualifying period to get your double clears for BN and Disco runs until end April, not May and you may only do two second rounds, not four.

Good luck and post some reports!
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ha ha yea i never bothered with BN or Discovery can you tell !!!!!!!!!
 
OMG, a real idiot here! I have to say that all this has been pretty helpful for a show jumping numpty and showjumping numpty's mum. Am just about to go online to the BSJA type peoples, dig out credit card and join Mini TX for the winter if I can, if not, we will have to pay the full whack. I have to say its bloody complicated to say the least - all she really wants to do is get in some good match practice with our pole basher over the winter so she can go a 1* with confidence next year and upgrade to intermediate - her dressage and xc are great - its just sj holding them back a bit. I gather that means doing some Newcomers/Discovery and if she is really, really good, Foxhunter classes. We werent going to bother affiliating her, but the cost of tickets add up, and you never know, her pole basher may stop bashing them and she might even win a few pounds.

I guess we will get it in the end. Sorry ladies, BE is sooooo much easier to understand ......
 
stacey_lou said:
Do you have to gain a certain number of points in levels before you can move up to a higher level? and if so how many

Thank you
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There are no points, it is all done on winnings. There is no minimum winnings requirement for BN, Disco, Newc and Fox, but some classes are limited to horses in a certain grade.
 
TheoryX1 said:
I guess we will get it in the end. Sorry ladies, BE is sooooo much easier to understand ......
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But. BS is so civilised! Farma from here and I went out yest, we got up at a sensible time, drove a short way, jumped a bit and came back! For my last BE this season, I got up in the middle of the night and drove halfway round East Anglia.
 
HotToTrot said:
But. BS is so civilised! Farma from here and I went out yest, we got up at a sensible time, drove a short way, jumped a bit and came back! For my last BE this season, I got up in the middle of the night and drove halfway round East Anglia.
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I am sure you are correct, as we have about 3 decent venues within reasonable driving distance and with great faciliities, plus a number of others a decent drive away. However, getting up in the middle of the night, driving miles and miles, hanging around all day etc is part of the charm of BE. Poor old Mini TX and her mother are missing our regular fix already. Roll on March.

All joking aside, I am sure she will have loads of fun over the winter showjumping, and we can even resume our 'Spot the hot man' game, normally reserved for BE events with showjumpers. LOL!!!!!!
 
HotToTrot said:
But. BS is so civilised! Farma from here and I went out yest, we got up at a sensible time, drove a short way, jumped a bit and came back! For my last BE this season, I got up in the middle of the night and drove halfway round East Anglia.
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See I would say that BE is more civilised! when I compete BE they give me dressage, sj and xc times so I know what time to tell my hubby I'm likely to be home at

Having been to BS shows for years I know that its not that simple with BS, I have arrived at a show, only to find a mixture of hundreds there or only a few. I have been at shows jumping the first two classes and still arrived home at 7pm at night!

BE all the way for me :) and it is easier to understand BE, when my friends ask me to explain BS it tell them to think about the Notional prize money as being like points - BS could easily remove the £ off notional and call it points anyway!

Actual money winnings takes no part in a horses grade, the notional winnings are all dependent on the class you have entered.

Good luck
 
carolinefox1 said:
See I would say that BE is more civilised! when I compete BE they give me dressage, sj and xc times so I know what time to tell my hubby I'm likely to be home at

Having been to BS shows for years I know that its not that simple with BS, I have arrived at a show, only to find a mixture of hundreds there or only a few. I have been at shows jumping the first two classes and still arrived home at 7pm at night!



Good luck
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BE don't need to give you times: irrespective of what they are, you must get up before 4 am, drive from Lands End to J O'G at least twice and you won't be back until midnight!

TX I miss it too, but equally I rather like the facts that a) I am no longer single handedly providing the petroleum industry with over 50% of its gross annual turnover AND b) I don't have to iron my stock.
 
I guess I live in a good spot for BE events then, most of mine are within a 2 hour drive. Mind you so are all my local BS shows :)

Missing the BE season already! looking forward to the scottish arena events in Jan already :)
 
As Kizzywiz says, you register your pony as a horse and compete in horse classes - as far ast the rules are concerned he/she is a horse.

Quite a few people do it, mostly on 'bigger' ponies. The courses are built to an average horse stride, so it depends on the size of the pony's stride how well he/she copes, but rules wise theres no difference if your mount is 13.2 or 17.2
 
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Thank you she's 14HH and jumping BE tracks so strides shouldn't be too much of an issue but can I get day tickets and what would happen if I were to sell her to someone under 16 and they want to change her registration back to a pony so she can jump junior classes?

And how do names work is it passport name or can I use the name she has for BE?
 
Thanks Puffin! There is a venue local to us that offers free tickets with the intro classes, I am going later this month, they do it regulary so was unsure how many I could do! Pleased to hear there is no limit :D
 
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