if anyone is looking for a winter project...

I do understand where you are coming from but just because they are cheap does not mean they will be sold to novice people who do not know what they are doing with a horse and how to look after one!

Maverick has found a lovely home! will be staying with us for while.Vet coming next week to discuss best way forward with his sarcoids. He has been sold to a friend ( she came up today to bring more supplies for her jumping mare who my son competes and is stabled with us . She wasn't even looking for another one but couldn't say no to this lad! He,s better behaved on the ground than her mare although he,s quite a bit bigger and alot younger!No doubt she,ll be off shopping on ebay or tack shop tommorrow for a new wardrobe for him!

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I was going to post and say it might be worth giving her a call, I got my Cob from Abbey Glenn, I went looking for a bombproof horse that wasn't a plod and that is exactly what he is!! He has a few less desirable quirks but I knew all about those when I tried him and was confident they were all quirks I could handle... I think we have pretty much rid him of all of them now!!

The only thing I would say is a lot of the horses there appear to have had a rough time of it somewhere else, and people seem to underestimate how much time, patience and experience it can take (not always the case!!) to put them right, even if the horse is suitable for a novice to ride, it's not necessarily a novice horse. I would happily buy from Abbey Glenn again, but get it vetted, be realistic about your capabilities, and if in doubt take somebody else with you, I think the downside with any dealer is said horse may not have been there long enough to really settle, and show it's true colours good or not!
 
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The 17h gelding - Maverick - WE HAVE DEFINATELY NOT TRIED HIM if we had i would say!! We let him settle for a week in the stable when he came ( we do let some of our horses settle in you know) he is a baby! We decided to clip him as he was very hairy on clipping we discovered 2 sarcoids and a 3rd on the corner of his mouth which on initial inspection just looked like a bit rub. We decided given the fact he had sarcoids and we have so many horses on that he was to be sold - This horse is well bred and being sold at a substancial loss!!!! He does move well and is a very kind horse. If we removed the sarcoids we would still have to disclose this fact to any potential buyer! so given his age and that he would need schooling and bringing on etc.



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Fact...... a couple of sarcoids do not reduce the price of a horse to that extent! Ok, some people may be put off, but there are others that wouldnt.
As previously said, in the auction ring I would expect him to reach a half decent amount.
YOu have not tried him? Why? When you could stop yourselves making a so called loss, you decide not to try him?
No, sceptical I may be, but I am of the belief there is more to this horse than meets the eye.
 
According to some of you this horse would have been better off going to an auction as would make more money!

Forgive us please for being honest and realistic!

Joanne in the current climate and due to the fact it is winter this horse is priced sensibly - He has sarcoids!! despite what you say alot of people would be put off by this and his new owner is aware she may need to spend a decent amount of money to get them removed. He is a young, big horse who will obviously need educating. I know his new mum very well as stated my son jumps her mare.
 
Got to say it - I'm cynical too. You have a 17hh horse who could be a potential eventer with a huge jump that could sell for a lot more than £400 ... why on earth wouldn't you at least stick a saddle on and see what sort of horse he is?
 
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I was going to post and say it might be worth giving her a call, I got my Cob from Abbey Glenn, I went looking for a bombproof horse that wasn't a plod and that is exactly what he is!! He has a few less desirable quirks but I knew all about those when I tried him and was confident they were all quirks I could handle... I think we have pretty much rid him of all of them now!!

The only thing I would say is a lot of the horses there appear to have had a rough time of it somewhere else, and people seem to underestimate how much time, patience and experience it can take (not always the case!!) to put them right, even if the horse is suitable for a novice to ride, it's not necessarily a novice horse. I would happily buy from Abbey Glenn again, but get it vetted, be realistic about your capabilities, and if in doubt take somebody else with you, I think the downside with any dealer is said horse may not have been there long enough to really settle, and show it's true colours good or not!

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Thanks Liz people can and do underestimate how much time patience and experience some horses require and need to be honest about their capabilities/facilties and help/good advice they have on hand.
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The 5yo - that fact they've said she needs starting 'from scratch' is a bit of a concern. Sounds like she has been backed but it was done very badly!! Also says she needs condition and topline so she may be a bag of bones...

The 4yo - can't believe the horse has been "untried". Why hasn't it?? How hard is it just to get on and see?!
 
Magic Magpie - If you had read what i had written in a previous post about Inka - this explained. She can be a moody mare, she has bred a foal. We have sat on her but she didn't have a clue! she didn't do anything wrong.In our opinion she would benefit from having her teeth doing and i think she would benefit from a session with a physio as she is a little sore in her back! She requires topline and muscle and TLC.

Believe what you like about Maverick WE havn,t tried him/sat on him but will be doing for his new mum!!!.
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As you are all so interested in this horse maybe we should do a video of him when we eventually do ride him for his new mum (as long as she gives us permission to do so which i can,t see being a problem)
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I think they are awfully cheap for what they are, i also just worry that it attracts the wrong type. Seller seems to have their interests at heart so hopefully won't sell to unsuitable buyers. As it is, she has a friend buying the big gelding. At the end of the day, dealers aren't all crooks and out to screw up horses or screw buyers. She obviously has a reputation to maintain. After all there have been 2 people to vouch for her. Hopefully the 2 horses get good homes and the buyers get bargains. These horses are young enough to be put right if they have emotional problems or haven't been started properly.
I get the feeling that they hadn't tried the big horse because the sarcoids were around the girth area and thought that one was in the corner of his mouth. Sounds sensible to me. Also, if the horse has come in and she has seen that he is 'fragile' mentally then she has done the right thing imo. stick him in a field and let him chill.
 
Thank you Chestnutty mare.

Inka is a moody mare at times and will require a patient experienced home she can be moody! and she can be a mare. As with any youngster with a brain and spirit if in the wrong hands they will not suffer fools gladly! I have known very good horses which have been turned into quivvering wrecks by their owners! and i am sure if some of the posters on this forum are honest with themselves, they to will know of a good horse with the wrong home! Doesn't make it a bad horse in my opinion.

Take for example There are lots of racehorse trainers out there most good and some bad! and this reflects sometimes in the young horses which they produce and reject if they are no good at that particular job. Thats why some horses run better for different trainers, different environment, smaller yard or a larger yard, lots of turnout lack of turnout ,different attitudes of staff calm and laid back or stressy and abrupt. All these are contibuting factors with horses. They are living breathing creatures and not machines.

Is it so wrong of us to try and give these horses a chance in the right homes before going down the sales route? Which trust me would be a much easier option for us and according to some posters on here we would make much more money.
 
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This is a really good point.

I don't understand how in one breath people can say that the dealer doesn't care about her horses and would send them off to any old home, and then suggest going to auction?!
 
The point I am making is as the horse WOULD make more at auction, WHY is it being sold at a loss? No dealer I know would be selling at a loss when they have a living to make!!!! (and I am not suggesting you sell at auction either!)
Sorry, cynical I may be, but something doesnt add up for me.
Neither horse should be selling for £400. I have recently sold one for just under that.....and she was a 2 yr old and wont make more than 12.2hh. So no, sorry, unrealistic of you to say they wont sell for better money and probably better homes.
And FTR how can you sell a horse you have not tried? You are a dealer are you not?
Sold without a warrenty I daresay?
BrambleandMonty nobody said she should sell via auction, but made the point why sell so cheaply when at auction horses of that type are selling for far higher vaues!
 
I cant see a problem with selling an unbroken un proven youngster for £400
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Just because he's 16.2hh plus doesn't make him more desirable than a nice 14.2hh unbroken does it?
It was only the other day someone posted about her 3/4yr old cob type, and a lot of you said he wasn't worth more than £500-£600?!
Id rather pay more for a 14.2 than a lollopy 17 hher
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BTW Abbey Glen, I LOVE THE coloured
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http://www.horsemart.co.uk/advert/5_yrs_14_3_hh_piebald_yorkshire/75148
 
Why is this thread still going? Surely it's free advertising for this dealer which is against T&C? Anyway if anyone wants to know a couple of examples of the sort of horse that this dealer sells then PM me.
 
Are horses priced by the hand now? Why should a 17hh go for more than 500?

I'd have gone to have a look at both if I had the time for a project!

Worse than dealers who lie in adverts, is people who are so paranoid they see lies in adverts when seeing the horse would solve all their problems.
Simple really. Doesn't kill people to visit these yards once in a while, does it.
 
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You may be sceptical as i am a new user but i just had to comment on this thread. My horse is stabled at abbeyglenn stables and as i am there every day i can tell you that the horse has definately not been tried by us. He is a baby who had come over from ireland to our suppliers yard before coming to us to be sold. As he had had several changes in a short space of time coupled with his young age we gave him time to settle in,as we do with many of our horses. He looked very hairy and scruffy and as his stable is next to where we clip, we decided to tidy him up a bit. Maverick has been sold to a very good friend whose mare is also stabled here, she is hardly going to rip a friend off is she?!?! (although he hasnt been tried at our yard he has been ridden at the suppliers yard and was described as green as grass didnt do anything untoward,just a real baby) She sells locally and has a reputation to protect. These horses are cheap and i understand you may think this will attract real novices but she will not sell a horse to just anybody,if she feels the rider is not experienced enough for the horse she will not sell it to them. I have seen her turn people away who were keen to buy a horse because she didnt think it was the right home for the horse. At the end of the day if she sells a horse to the wrong person it will affect her reputation and consequently future sales. It is winter and we have limited stabling and we need the space. Whatever people may think about dealers there are those out there who genuinely care for their horses and care that they are placed in the right home. Yes they have a living to make but it isnt always about money. She welcomes vettings, blood testing and buyers often come several times to try a horse which is not a prolem. And i know for a fact the horse/pony will always be described as it has behaved with us and how it was when it came to us. People need to be asking themselves if they are managing the horse correctly before looking to blame the horse or the person who sold it to them. A problem that occurs a few months down the line is down to poor management on the owners part and blame cannot be laid at the door of the seller, private or trade! Buyers too have to take responsibility for what they purchase, and whether it is within their capabilities.
 
From reading through this i have to say dont people have sad lives ?
I have bought two horses from Abbey glenn stables and both have been exacly what michelle said and nothing was hidden. I would reccomend them to anyone and deffinatly use them again.
Instead of critisising abbey glenn and what they are selling why dont you get on with your own lives and leave peope to it. You know nothing about these horses yet you can sit on this and slag them off.
Your all saying that a dealer would charge higher prices to make a profit. I know for a fact michelle will want these horses to go to suitable homes and will not be bothered about the profit.
Michelle is being honest with these horses yet shes still getting [****] written about her!
 
I'm going to report this thread to Admin - something I've never done before - because clearly this dealer is now recruiting her friends and family to aid in her getting free advertising, which is blatantly against the T&C.
 
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From reading through this i have to say dont people have sad lives ?
I have bought two horses from Abbey glenn stables and both have been exacly what michelle said and nothing was hidden. I would reccomend them to anyone and deffinatly use them again.
Instead of critisising abbey glenn and what they are selling why dont you get on with your own lives and leave peope to it. You know nothing about these horses yet you can sit on this and slag them off.
Your all saying that a dealer would charge higher prices to make a profit. I know for a fact michelle will want these horses to go to suitable homes and will not be bothered about the profit.
Michelle is being honest with these horses yet shes still getting [****] written about her!

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As for the poster who said about it being free advertising, it wasn't the AbbeyGlen lady who started this, she obviously heard that she was a hot topic on here and came on to defend herself, fairplay to her.

Ms Abbeyglenn, you obviously have some loyal clients there, i am sure there are few 'dodgy dealers who would have people coming on to stick up for them.

Another point is that, a lot of dealers get a bad name because people over estiamte their ability and buy a horse that is unsuitable for them, then slate the dealer because he isn't what they claimed, whereas, he actually would have been if they were as competent or proficient as they made themselves sound. There was a private seller with this problem on here a few days ago.
Also, people buy a horse and expect it to be perfect from the day it lands at their yard, they give it no time to settle in and then complain because it is playing up. Of course that is the dealers fault too.

Not the easiest of jobs i don't think.
 
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I doubt if admin will see this as free advertising. I think that the lady would have had more of an issue with H&H if she hadn't been allowed to come on and defend herself. After all, there was a whole thread slating the horses that she was advertising, this is her business and most of the comments were detrimantal to that business. In fact, i think she has conducted herself well, no nastiness or name calling, just explaining the situation with the 2 horses.

Perhaps the people defending her are just satisfied clients.
Oh and i am not her sister or aunty or best friend, not even a fellow dealer. don't even know her actually.
 
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No more like people who have bought off her know what a good and honest dealer she is and dont appreaciate everyone slagging them off when they know nothing about it.
 
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I'm going to report this thread to Admin - something I've never done before - because clearly this dealer is now recruiting her friends and family to aid in her getting free advertising, which is blatantly against the T&C.

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As previously stated this thread was not started by abbeyglenn or anyone affiliated with her. All she has done is posted to explain the situation regarding the horses in question. If I and other satisfied customers wish to post to defend her then that is our perogative.
I bought my horse from Abbeyglenn roughly 5 months ago and he is wonderful. That is not to say he has never done anyhing wrong, he is a horse and not a machine. People would do well to remember that.
 
I am sure if i had advertised Maverick at 1000 there would have been another hot topic on him - what is a youngster with sarcoids really worth????? or i wouldn't be paying that for a horse with sarcoids!

Yes this thread was brought to my attention by fellow HH members who had actually rang and texed me!!!!

If these horses were being advertised privately then would this topic still have been so heated? Oh i forgot all private sellers are very genuine and honest!!

While we are on the subject of advertising horses please can you lovely people explain what it means to you when a advert clearly states a horse is not a novice ride? competent rider required?

I am sick and tired of genuine dealers being slated when infact buyers should be HONEST about their capabilities/facilities/ and what they want to use the horse for. Is it the dealers fault when someone has bought outside their capabilities. Is it the dealers fault when the said horse has been stabled and filled full of feed had its bit changed and to top it all isn't in a saddle that remotely fits it? And people should be fully aware that any horse which has been known to nap can and will, if not ridden/managed correctly this behaviour can escalate. If you are not a confident rider you shouldn't be buying a horse with a nap!!and that is your reponsibilty and in that situation you not only have a responsibility for your own actions but for that horses welfare too!

Too many people out there expect horses to be machines! they are living breathing creatures and deserve to be treated with respect and empathy. We have around 26horses here and all have different personalities

Different types of horses suit different types of people. The same horse can be ridden by several different riders and behave differently depending on the rider and the riders confidence.

Horses have bad days just like people.

Horses are herd animals and i am of the belief that they should be kept as much as possible to their natural environment as possible. All my horses get turned out.

Here is an example of some of the customers i have had to deal with - Now please should these people really be allowed or even be allowed to look after a horse. These are all true !

1. I need a horse/cob that will allow my children to run into it.
2. I though you said it had clean legs " stated whilst looking at horses chestnuts "
3. Whilst checking horses legs said customer thought it had hidden sarcoids these were infact its ergots
4. I need a horse which i can tether and ride whilst i eat my picnic and i want a youngster to do this on!
5. I am an experienced rider could you please tell me what that thing is attached to the martingale " its a breastplate "
6. Which way round does the headcollar go?
7. Experienced rider turning up in all the latest gear looking for a horse to jump, luckily for his sakes gets on schoolmaster proceeds to kick the horse around hands 2 foot in the air with washing line reins shouting giddy up!

So if you think working with horses is easy ( well the horses actually arn't mostly the problem) and you think you can get rich then think again!
 

Michelle,

I think you had the same bunch of numpties that wanted to loan my other one!! Needless to say he stayed home!!

On a positive note, you can add 'good to clip' to the list of Wellies good points you missed off your ad! Did him single handed, even the fiddley bits... head etc.. without any problems at all!! Am being threatened with being dragged to do some dressage, but am delaying until we have done a little bit more work on brakes. He has a real spring in his step now he has his go faster stripes!! Will send you some photos when I organise myself

(PS.. If you get bored of Toby SEND HIM TO ME!!!) Is he as nice as he looks? If he is a straight forward chap I might know somebody interested, and it might stop them trying to pinch mine! x
 
This isn't advertising - if so every single post regarding, hats, boots, saddles, numnahs etc etc would be classed the same and we'd never have any of the good posts reccommending stuff to buy and use.

Abbeyglenn didn't ASK for this post to be made and is now just defending herself as she is allowed to.

Gedenski i think you are bang out of order.
 
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