If I wanted a mucker outer/groom type person-

[Skhosu]

What would be fair to offer?
We will have 3 horses, one a pony, two eventers. Ideally said person could hack my horse to keep him fit/lunge him. Would it be possible to exchang the hacking for some pay?
What would reasonable rates be. There is also another eventer that could be hacked, both are sharp enough so would need to be experienced. We've never done this before so no idea how it works etc! Probably weekdays, doing the three horses wouldn't take long (out during the day), and from oct through may ish.

 

[cazmoreton]

We have always paid £5 and hour, so maybe just say £3 an hour and they get to ride(but riding time they dont get paid for)
x

 

[Booboos]

I have three horses and a pony. One is a very sensible hack, the youngster is good for a youngster and the other one is sharp. I have tried sharers, but although they were lovely people they could only ride the sensible hack. They were all, though (all three of them but over four years), very happy to muck out/help out in return for rides. All three were riding for fun, so when other things cropped up in their lives they moved on - I say this in the nicest way, it's not a complaint and I think this is the whole point in sharing, you don't have the responsibilities of ownership.

For the last two years I have had a p/t groom who comes in for 3 hours a day, weekdays. If I am there we do everything together, if I am at work she will do about half the work (1-2 stables, ride one, maybe lunge one). They live out in the summer which is a lot less work, but I am happy to still pay for 3 hours as she has been with us for a long time and is very reliable and good with the horses. I pay her £8 an hour.

I think you will find that some sharers may struggle with a sharp horse, so you may have to look for a while. You may also find that some sharers may not be as committed as you would want them to for fittening work (after all it is a lot of steady hacking on a sharp horse for a limited amount of time, i.e. only until May), but then again you never know till you look for someone, so good luck!

 

[burtie]

If you want a decent rider you will need to pay them for everything, including the exercise of your horse. If you need them to be experienced enough to cope when you are not there to supervise you will need to pay a decent wage, the freelance grooms around her charge around £7.50-£10 per hour.

 

[Nailed]

if i was to do that i would charge you £7 a hour, if it was sole schooling i would charge £10. same as an instructor for schooling.

Lou x

 

[vicksta]

I think it really depends on the sort of person you get. If you can find someone who is experienced and just wants something to ride they might even give you some help in return for having something to ride. I cant imagine anyone with a level of experience required to ride the type of horses you say you have wanting to work for £3 an hour. I think the absolute min you can pay is £5 as a lot can be done in an hour! If you got someone freelance in they could charge anything around £15/£20 to hack and £5 per box muck out + extra for any turnout etc. This obvously varies area to area. So if you bear that in mind, £5 an hour isnt that much!

 

[brighthair]

I part loan 2 horses - I do about 3 - 4 days a week, all care, grooming mucking out etc plus riding and lungeing for free! Only as I cant afford my own, and I love just being around them - the owner trusts me when she's away and I studied equine at Uni too

 

[Skhosu]

mm, I dont want schooling though, and definitely not a sharer, definitely want it clear that it is a case of come and do the work, not having a part in the horse if you know what I mean? So offering riding in exchange for the work probably wouldn't work?
I reckon it would only be an hour if it was to be just coming and doing the stable chores, maybe not enough to actually get someone to actually come out?
Just getting ideas and trying to figure it out cost wise!
Thanks, keep it coming!

 

[Skhosu]

:0 brighthair-come near me! ;p

 

[brighthair]

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lol! My job means I only work 13 shifts a month which leaves me loads of time with the horses - I spend about 5 hrs down there on my days off, and they're not even mine! I'm lucky enough that the owner trusts me and lets me treat them like my own. I love it - I'll do anyones horses for them!

 

[CorvusCorax]

Where are you TS&H?
PM me if you'd prefer.

 

[Flame_]

You want someone to do and exercise the horses. This is called a groom. It is a real job and grooms like to be paid.

 

[Skhosu]

KVS-lol, indeed, I dont want to diminish grooms, but the actual horses dont need anything doing with them, its just mucking out.. hence why I didn't want to call it a groom as I know grooms do much much more

The riding was more as a possibility, if it would offset. If it wouldn't, I doubt we would pay anyone to ride as my sister is still here etc.

 

[Shilasdair]

New National Minimum Wage rates from 1 October 2008
The rates from 1 October 2008 will be:

adults (which means people aged 22 and over), £5.73 an hour
workers aged 18-21, £4.77 an hour - the 'development rate'
young people (those older than school leaving age and younger than 18; you're under school leaving age until the end of summer term of the school year in which you turn 16), £3.53 an hour
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[only_me]

what you should do is loan horse for winter - to good pc home or to someone who just wants to hack. then you dont have hassle or having to pay so much?

i would do it, but i know im a bit far from you to muck out and ride

lol

loaner could sj horses? they could do dengie or something like that. or just hack, but then they get to have a horse?

or maybe loan to a riding school? i always thought that was a good idea, as most riding schools here are pretty good.

 

[Colleen_Miss_Tom]

If you had of been abit closer ,I could have come down to you x

 

[Skhosu]

riding schools, you must be kidding me! Haven't seen a single good one yet in NI tbh.
Would loan but horsey is 'delicate' and doubt I could find anyone who wants a neurotic insane TB, did think about it but also who wants a horse for october to march (I'd want to event at easter!)?
Good thought though!
CMT-need someone like you ;p
Thanks Shils

 

[Colleen_Miss_Tom]

Il take that as a compliment

Im a bit neurotic myself

 

[only_me]

someone might if own horse was off? well castle leslie is good

and some of the ones around me arnt bad

what about a racing yard? so that horse could "nanny" the younger ones?

maybe not lol

what about loaning horse for someone to hunt on? horse would be a good hunter? and would help with xc possibly as well

thats october to march?

 

[Skhosu]

ah yes, castle leslie is good

would calss it as down south meself ;p
lmao! remember this horsey is banned from hunting as he is a tad pshyco? Racing nanny is out as well as not nice and easy.
But good thoughts that I would never have thought of

 

[only_me]

ah ok, forgot about that

lol

emm...

just let horses winter out? wat about local pcers riding them at weekends? then they are not that unfit for tyrella 1?

this is a toughie... can your instructor not look after them like last year? or taking the nerotic one with you to uni and the others winter out?

 

[Skhosu]

yup, indeed, plan is to let him winter out, the only flaw so far is coming up to easter he will have been in the field for 3 months so may puff a bit round tyrella ;p
My instructor got on well in the school with him but didn't get on with him elsewhere so it didn't really work, but was very grateful to him for taking him.
I just need keen local PCers round me ;p

 

[only_me]

lol

ask around pc you never know who may need a horse

ah out of ideas... will have to go to school and kick start the old brain

 

[RagazzoSam]

Really pleased to see the National Minimum Wage mentioned cos stable staff have been exploited for waay too long !

My first job as a trainee stud asst in Newmarket was so badly paid that becoming a commis silver service waitress improved my weekly wages by 150% before tips !

Riding your horses is exercising them and should be paid in my eyes unlss you have a share agreement, sorry.

 

[DuckToller]

Local 'horsey person who does' round here is £12 an hour but she does work hard for the money. Riding/exercising is same price but then it is her living. Depends on how many opportunities there are for riding where you are - if not so many horses, then someone might be happy to work for £5 an hour and have a ride after as a bonus.

 

[FRESHMAN]

If you require someone to hack him out to keep him fit for you to enjoy at easter for an event. Then you should pay the going rate & not expect people to do it in exchange for wages. Why should stable workers/grooms not be paid for there time. This is the type of remark that gives equestrian work a bad name.

 

[Booboos]

I think I misread the original post as a question between having a sharer OR getting a groom. I think that if you don't want a sharer, then your only option is to pay for a groom. Whether you ask them to hack only, muck out or do everything will depend on what you agree, how many hours you pay them for and what their going rates are, just like any other employer/employee relationship. I would imagine it would be fairly easy to find someone local to you to help out for the right wage.

 

[Skhosu]

Think people have got the wrong end of the stick here, I was only thinking along the lines of exercising as return to keep costs down, i.e where someone wanted to ride a horse and did mucking out in return, it would be handy, I don't expect someone who doesn't want to ride to do it for free... On the other hand I think anything over 6-7/hour is a lot for mucking out so wouldn't be going down that route. I am just getting an idea of what is expected before I put an ad in. Don't see why people are jumping on me as I often see people on here/on the net wanting to do stable work in return for riding. And as I said, the riding is NOT essential, would be more if it was done in return for the work that it would be offered.
Llewyln, that's what I was thinking, something along the lines of 5/hour plus the oppurtunity to ride, all depending on experience and people, and whether there is someone local!
But thank you for all the opinions.

 

[OWLIE185]

If you want someone reliable and capable I would suggest £15 per day to just muck out 3 horses and £25 per hour to excercise a competition horse. Plus travelling time/motoring expenses to and from your yard.

Also ensure that your insurance covers them and if hacking out from your yard they wear Hi-Viz to the appropriate British Standard for work purposes.

 

[SouthWestWhippet]

I think the difficulty you have here is that from your posts, it sounds as if you are looking for someone who wants to ride in return for doing a bit of mucking out..

Most people who are prepared to work in return for rides, are looking for a situation where they have fairly flexible riding rights to a horse - in other words that they can sort of imagine the horse is theirs and do what they would do with their own!- for the hour or two a day/week they exercise it. This is why they are then happy to give up their time mucking out etc. But you are wanting to be pretty strict with anyone riding him about exactly what they can and cannot do.

On top of this, your horse sounds rather sharp which means you probably need to attract a more experienced rider who is more likely to want to do more with him than just hacking. You don't want this (which is completely acceptable - he is your horse after all) but from the persepective of your helper, it becomes a less attracitve propersition.

I think if you have a specific criteria for your horse's exercise routine and also need some yard work doing, what you need is a freelance groom. The girl I know who does this won't do less than 2hours at a time (unless she is teaching) or it simply isn't worth her while finacially.

But if you have 2 or 3 horses to exercise plus some mucking out, clean tack afterwards and prepare haynets for evening... that could easily fill 2 hours. I think you would be looking at a minimum of £8 per hour for this. That way you would be within your rights to dictate exactly what your groom did while she was riding/lunging etc.