If magnesium oxide works on my horse, will a magnesium calmer?

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As per title really?

I haven't really looked into cost etc, but just from an ordering PoV, easier if I get stuff all from the same place
 
Mag ox is usually cheaper than the versions sold as a calmer? I get mine from intralabs on ebay which is £19 for 4 kg delivered.

but yes it will, although they sometimes have bulking agents and other ingredients too.
 
Usually best to try the calmer first as it has all sorts in it, after a month's trial assuming it works then is the time to buy the MgO, I got it off ebay. You need to work out how much to feed, [obviously] off top of my head its a 25gm scoop per day but you have to realise this quite heavy powder, I used to mix my minerals up for a month.
 
I disagree. Far better to buy pure mag ox than a calmer, specifically because "it has all sorts in it" and a lot of the all sorts might be detrimental to your horse. It's also the most expensive way to buy it. You can get it online in a human grade form much cheaper than labelled up bulked out "equestrian" version.
 
FfionWinnie said:
I disagree. Far better to buy pure mag ox than a calmer, specifically because "it has all sorts in it" and a lot of the all sorts might be detrimental to your horse. It's also the most expensive way to buy it. You can get it online in a human grade form much cheaper than labelled up bulked out "equestrian" version.
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Yes, the all sorts are herbal [feedmark], and will sooth the horse, yes more expensive, but i did suggest a trial.
I cant imagine there is something detrimental included, what are you suggesting?
You need to use a magnesium calmer, not something else to determine if there is a magnesium deficiency
 
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Bonkers2 said:
Yes, the all sorts are herbal [feedmark], and will sooth the horse, yes more expensive, but i did suggest a trial.
I cant imagine there is something detrimental included, what are you suggesting?
You need to use a magnesium calmer, not something else to determine if there is a magnesium deficiency
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Depends on the horse as to how much it might matter but as this poster has already posted concerns about it having PSSM then nearly all off the shelf supps are a bad idea because they contain fillers such as oat/wheat feed and or molasses.

Why feed over priced vague ingredients often junk when you can feed straights and know what you are feeding your horse.
 
Bonkers2 said:
I looked in to this but I think you are upsetting the Ca/Mg ratio, and it is "bound". so if you want to add 25gms MgO you are getting in to a pickle.
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why would that upset the ca/mg ratio? More than any other ratio of what makes up the rest of magnesite other than Mag ox? It doesn't officially contain calcium
I wouldn't feed it as I suspect F would turn his nose up at it and I've heard others have trouble with it being irritating over time/you don't know what minerals are in the non magox bit.
 
There is no calcium in calcined magnesite, it's just a more complex form of magnesium, MgCO3, the C being carbon.

Bonkers2 said:
Cows need Ca due to milk production. When they get milk fever they get an injection of calcium borogluconate.
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Where do you buy mag chloride, samif? Does it not upset the gut like mag sulphate?
 
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I thought it was still MgO ycmb? just a lower % hence the brown colour.

Some people think that MgCl is actually more bioavailable (already ionic- though studies I think are in people) and find their horses do better on it (from a hoof pov anyway!)
Some have tried it when their horses won't eat MgO.

someone linked to this
http://www.countrywidefarmers.co.uk/pws/ProductDetails.ice?ProductID=18017
 
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FfionWinnie said:
Depends on the horse as to how much it might matter but as this poster has already posted concerns about it having PSSM then nearly all off the shelf supps are a bad idea because they contain fillers such as oat/wheat feed and or molasses.

Why feed over priced vague ingredients often junk when you can feed straights and know what you are feeding your horse.
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Alas I have a bit of a collection of horses... The potential pssm horse is a different one to the one that's on mag ox!
 
ester said:
Mostly brewers yeast though! not mag! and again something you can buy much more cheaply.
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Whatever, the first thing is to find the best solution, the second is to identify if it is Mg deficiency, then move on to cheapest MgO.
Brewers yeast is often fed to barefooters, it is full of vitamins.
 
Bonkers2 said:
Whatever, the first thing is to find the best solution, the second is to identify if it is Mg deficiency, then move on to cheapest MgO.
Brewers yeast is often fed to barefooters, it is full of vitamins.
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that's great, why not find the best solution by adding individual ingredients so as not to muddy the waters. That would be the scientific way to do it.
I know brewers yeast is good stuff but this thread was about magnesium base calmers and then you brought up a calmer mostly based on brewers yeast so I really don't see why that is helpful or relevant!
 
ester said:
that's great, why not find the best solution by adding individual ingredients so as not to muddy the waters. That would be the scientific way to do it.
I know brewers yeast is good stuff but this thread was about magnesium base calmers and then you brought up a calmer mostly based on brewers yeast so I really don't see why that is helpful or relevant!
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It has brewers grains yes, but it is a magnesium calmer if fed at full rate, say £20 so if it works the horse can be put on to MgO straight, I have found this to be the most cost effective solution, buying lots of straights is expensive short term.
If the MgO is not as good as the steady up, you know he needs something extra, its just the way I have worked my youngsters as they are getting a lot of change in the short time when being backed.
I tried NAF magic, but it was very expensive.
 
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ester said:
I thought it was still MgO ycmb? just a lower % hence the brown colour.

Some people think that MgCl is actually more bioavailable (already ionic- though studies I think are in people) and find their horses do better on it (from a hoof pov anyway!)
Some have tried it when their horses won't eat MgO.

someone linked to this
http://www.countrywidefarmers.co.uk/pws/ProductDetails.ice?ProductID=18017
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You can get it from any farm/country supplies shop as it is for cattle - Ester is correct, I started feeding it because it was practically impossible to get more than 5-10g of magox into my horses. The mgcl is so much more palatable (although less magnesium per g), and easier to feed as it is very easily soluble.
All I can say RE upsetting the guts is mine both have around 80-100g mgcl per day, one of them used to have a terrible problem with diarrhoea all through summer but since feeding magcl it has actually disappeared, so I would imagine it only happens if you introduce the mgcl too quickly. The other one doesnt have a problem with it either.
 
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