Ignorant People!

Now, Boodle, you could have passed this chap on to me for a sacrifice...I could have used his chainsaw too.
But you're too late...I have a volunteer....
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Now, Boodle, you could have passed this chap on to me for a sacrifice...I could have used his chainsaw too.
But you're too late...I have a volunteer....
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You do????......Bugger............
 
I'd have been annoyed and thought this man was being ignorant too. You were clearly struggling and he could have shown more consideration
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I don't think you're being whingy either but it might be useful to try to desensitise her to this sound if it's possible.
 
I really don't think your comparison is a good one, sorry. If you are out on a public road with vehicles up your tail, it really is not the same as being "at home" in a field.

Surely the horse has heard the chainsaw plenty of times by now? The horse is also in it's home environment where there shouldn't be any of this sort of bad behaviour going on?

Listen, whether you all like it or not, this is the man's home....his HOME. Where he can do what he likes - if he wants to cut his grass he can, if he wants to cut his wood he can, if he wants to fart VERY loudly constantly, sorry but he can. He owns the place and as such can do whatever he wishes to do on his own property.

Sounds like Boodle is a lovely person, no denying that, however until she owns the land that she is keeping her horse on then she really doesn't have much of a say-so in what goes on on that land. That's just the way it goes and as many others have said, if one doesn't like where they keep their horses then they should move. If they can't move for whatever reason, then unfortunately that is hard cheese and she'll have to grin and bear it.

One other thing; obviously the looking after of all these other peoples animals is annoying Boodle, so maybe it would actually be better to get out of doing these jobs and instead pay full amount of money for board somewhere more suitable?
 
Christiamas you are clearly one of those YOs that sees things as "if you don't like it you know where the gate is". Amazes me you have any customers at all as so many places now respect individual requirements and show consideration to livery horses and owners own quirks. This bloke might own the place but Boodle pays and earns the stable places there and deserves her requests to be treated with respect and consideration. Ignorant people indeed!
 
I also think the man was well out of order too and should have had the decency to stop or at least stop and then ask if she and the horse were ok.
Whilst I agree that horses need to be desensitised to situations and noises it is better if that occurs in a controlled environment. In other words so that the handler of the animal is aware where and when the sound is going to occur or at what time and place the scary object will appear.
Yes the horse may have heard the noise of the chainsaw before but whilst in the field grazing contently and not whilst being restricted ( ie preventing normal flight mode due to headcollar and rope being attached) which may have affected the horse's reaction and response to the noise.
I have to say even my horse which is a 16 year old been there and done it kind of animal ( even hunting, before I had him) was slightly spooked the other day as I rode past a garden in which the man was using a chainsaw to saw wood. He had already heard the noise before we approached and it made him tiptoe and start to nap. He was more spooked by hearing the noise and not being able to see what was causing it due to trees and bushes. Once we were clear and he could see the man I let him look at what was making the sound, squeezed him on and said good boy with a pat etc and he was fine.
Ok so you could argue that the situation was unplanned. However he was settled after riding about 1 mile and half at that point and was actually enjoying himself on his own a bit more ( unusual). He heard the noise and so did I. At the point in which we heard it the sound was muffled due to the trees etc and I guessed where it was coming from so had plenty of time to prepare myself if he did react badly as we got nearer to the sound.
In the OP's case she didn't have the time to prepare herself or the horse. Leading in or out of a field can be nerve wracking at any time as you simply never know what is around the corner visually or what sounds you will hear. Hell knows even a rabbit scooting past could suddenly make an otherwise 'bombproof' horse jump and react if the rabbit suddenly appeared out of the blue and at close range.
So whilst I can understand the fact that the horse may have been subject to the sounds of the chainsaw several times before ( most probably without the owner being present) it does not necessarily mean imo that the horse should not have reacted in the way that it did.
Tia it is all well and good saying that your horse's don't do this and don't do that but you can only speak from your own perception and experience with your own animals and not necessarily anyone else's horses so to try and compare them to other horses in different situations to your own is flawed. Not having a go btw but just pointing that fact out.
Having said that though were I on a farm I would not expect the landowner/farmer to down tools at my expense if my horse reacted badly to a sound or machinery.
In the OP's case it does not sound like she is on a farm, more like someone who just has a house and some land etc.
However imo it was disrepectful and ignorant of the person with the chainsaw not to have offered any assistance or at the very least just stopped what he was doing for a few minutes while she regained control of the horse.
I say that because whilst I don't expect farmer's to down tools because of my horses or anyone else's, my horses are in fact kept on a working farm, with pigs, chickens and geese as well as renting a field out across the road to someone who keeps cattle.
Machinery and vehicles are commonplace on the farm as they also run a plant growing business as well.
However whenever any of the sons use machinery or drive vehicles past mine or anyone else's horses whilst they are tied onto the hard standing block they are courteous enough to slow down and sometimes even ask if everything is ok etc. That was especially true when I was new to the yard last year and Mcfly was a little green and getting used to his new surroundings. It is not fair of me to try and compare my situation to anyone else's in the same way Tia, that it is not fair to try and compare your 'bombproof' horses to anyone else's animals.
I believe that the man in question acted in a questionable manner. He may have had many chores to do - since we don't know his daily routine- however from a time perspective how long does it actually take to cut up logs with a chainsaw?
If these were for use on a woodburner, fire or stove then I would guess not that long since I cannot imagine the original lengths of trunks and branches being of the size you would encounter at an average industrial sawmill.
Therefore in my honest opinion I do not think it was wrong or indeed prudent to have expected a bit more respect and consideration from the said individual!
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Tia - I was just using the riding down the road as a example. But the same pricipal would go in a field, if someone was doing something that scared my horse i would still expect them to stop as having any large animal trying to bolt off from fear is dangerous in any situation and us as humans (and suposidly higher in the intelligence stakes) should know this!!

And i am sorry but i dont see spooking as being "Bad behavior" horses are flight animals not fight animals hence the reason that when frightened their automatic instinct is to flee. If a horse bolts when ridden for no apparent reason then yes its bad but if a horse bolts due to fear then that kind of behavior can be forgiven.

I know that if any of the guys on our farm and the farms in the local area are doing something that may effect our horses or the safety of the girls handling them then no matter what it is it stops until the animals are out of the way. Thats just COMMON SENSE!

I know a few yard owners whom think that they have the divine right to say either you Like it or lump it and leave but having that kind of attitude just makes me dispair.
 
I used to keep my horses at a friend's house. These people are lovely people, but they are city people. They bought a beautiful house with 3 large looseboxes, 3 post and railed acres and a full size manege in my village. They know absolutely nothing about horses, dogs or even goldfish - but they owned all this wonderful stuff. I moved my 3 horses to their land - FOR FREE!!!!

We were there for about 5 years. I saved a lot of money. But by God did I have to put up with allsorts! Fireworls with no warning, kids parties with bouncy castles, friends with uncontrollable dogs, requests for pony rides for their friends kids with 1 hour notice, massive holes in the giant sand pit that was in fact an international quality arena.......I could go on. But I go back to reiterate - I SAVED A LOT OF MONEY!!!! It was free. I maintained the field and stables, but I paid nothing in rent. I think you just have to take what comes your way, and you sow what you reap.

I now have 1 horse at livery at a competition yard. Costs a bloomin' fortune, but that's what I need right now. I moved out of their place last Spring and another person moved in. They haven't done anything to the field - it's full of weeds and looking rather horse sick, and the manege will need serious money spending on it if it is ever to be worth anythig again, but the owners haven't noticed and don't care.

My point is (and I'm sorry it's been so long winded!) that if it's not your land or even your horse, you have absolutely no right whatsoever to dictate what goes on. I think he could have been a litle kinder to you and stopped the chainsaw. But he didn't - he's not a horse person - and you're just going to have to live with these people or not as is your choice.

I wouldn't be looking after his animals if I were you. Look after your own and move them.
 
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Tia it is all well and good saying that your horse's don't do this and don't do that but you can only speak from your own perception and experience with your own animals and not necessarily anyone else's horses so to try and compare them to other horses in different situations to your own is flawed.

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Umm....I have over 20 horses belonging to other people on my farm. The livery horses are Arabs, WBs, TBs, so not exactly the same as my quiet QHs, hence a pretty good across-the-board-benchmark of all types of horses who come here and settle in perfectly.

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Actually, I was asked specific questions - I merely answered them truthfully based on the 20+ livery horses who live here; and I don't believe I mentioned any of my own horses except in giving the total figure of horses who reside here on my farm.

If it is true that Boodle keeps her horse at someone's house then that is not quite the same as keeping it on a farm or a livery stables, and if the man didn't have the decency to turn off the chainsaw then perhaps he likes her as much as she apparently likes him?

And to the previous poster KVR or whatever your name is; I do find much amusement from these types of threads though - you know, when people start on the personal insult track because you don't agree with them. For your information my boarders tend to stay for years and years, so where you get your "in-depth knowledge" about how I run my yard is most intriguing. You know nothing about how my farm runs or what my liveries think and rarely what I think of them, so perhaps it's time that your brain engages a bit before spouting twaddle.
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Hmmmm... don't know that ignorant is quite the right word. I do think he was a bit inconsiderate. PF is nervous of strimmers (unless I'm with her, and then she's OK) but the maintenance chaps will take 2 mins out to tell me where they're going to strim so I can move her...
 
Maybe it's time some yard owners realised that livery people are paying customers and got their heads out from up their own arses, if they dont need the money well dont offer a service and close the yard, please dont do us a favour by taking money from us under the "pretence" of offering a service, still some people are pig ignorant and money grabbing and think they are doing the world a favour.
 
You have described how your yard operates above and in previous posts, that is where I get my information. You don't seem to understand the difference between a personal attack and a criticism of the views you put across above. Anyone with the attitude that the owner of a premises can behave as they like with no sensitivity towards the needs of people paying to base horses there needs reminding once in a while to stop being a twit. As for talking twaddle, I think you'll find that while you disagree with me many others will think I have a point.
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Maybe it's time some yard owners realised that livery people are paying customers and got their heads out from up their own arses, if they dont need the money well dont offer a service and close the yard, please dont do us a favour by taking money from us under the "pretence" of offering a service, still some people are pig ignorant and money grabbing and think they are doing the world a favour.

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You might want to remeber that you are on THEIR land. It is THIER HOME!! They can do what they like when they like. YOU have the option of moving elsewhere, they dont. Yes you pay to rent a stable but that does not mean they have to plan thier activities round your nuerotic needs.
If you owned a home and got a lodger in your spare room to either meet costs or just for soem extra cash you wouldnt expect to have to cater to thier needs all the time and stop doing things oyu need to do because it annoys them. If they went to a forum and said 'my landlord is having showers at 7 o'clock in the morning when i want to sleep, shes really noisy and wont stop when i asked' you wouldnt stop having the shower you need before going to work just because it was annoying your lodger! Yet you expect this of your YO!

Have some respect for other people!!! they are doing you a favour by letting you on thier land. You need to stop thinking the world ought to revolve round you just because you shell out a bit of money!
 
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You have described how your yard operates above and in previous posts

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Okay - specifically how does my yard operate? I'd like to challenge your infinite knowledge here.
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What are my boarders like, what goes on here, how are my fields situated, how long have most of my liveries been here, what type of livery are they on, how much land do we farm, how many of those acres are down to pasture, and how often do most of them come and visit their horses? What sort of relationship do I have with my liveries....actually do you even know how many people board their horses here?

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You don't seem to understand the difference between a personal attack and a criticism of the views you put across above

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Oh I do, which is why I noticed your comments about the way I run my farm, even though you quite clearly do not know what I actually think about Boodles specific situation
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. You see, if you read my posts clearly without putting in YOUR little thoughts (which are NOT mine) between the lines, you will see that I did not mention whether the man was right, wrong, ignorant or whatever, I simply answered questions put to me on how this would not be a problem on my working farm because none of the horses here, mine nor liveries, are afraid of chainsaws; so pray tell me, why in the world would we need to stop working everytime a horse comes out of a field?

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I think you'll find that while you disagree with me many others will think I have a point.

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You are a very remarkable person - not only do you know all the ins and outs of my farm, and what I think on this matter even though I haven't said what I think, but you ALSO know what lots of other people think; that is a truly amazing skill.
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Are you a horse whisperer too?
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No effort - I'm a fast typer, and I never get touchy
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. I just feel that when people take the trouble to clearly construct posts, that the least others can do is read them properly before they talk twaddle about what they think was said.
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You are hard work. I do not talk twaddle and I can read fine. Apologies if I have mistaken you for a condescending, inconsiderate, un-compromising YO with an attitude. I suggest you avoid giving out this impression if you'd rather it didn't happen again.
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You are hard work.

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Gosh if this is hard work for you, then you must be an 80's/90's child.
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Apologies if I have mistaken you for a condescending, inconsiderate, un-compromising YO with an attitude.

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Apologies if I have mistaken you for making more personal comments about me. Hmmm, I wonder......
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I suggest you avoid giving out this impression if you'd rather it didn't happen again.

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Oh crumbs, thanks for your suggestion ....... *sniggers* "if I'd rather it didn't happen again" LMAO! What planet are you on? I am liking you more and more every time I converse with you.
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i havent read all of the replies but personally if this had been me i'd have laughed at what a muppet my horse was at times. you said this is your older horse, surely if the YO chainsaw's etc regularly it should be used to it by now? You cant expect him to stop everything when the horses are around its his home.

if your horse spooked when he started his car, or closed a door would you expect him to stop then? I expect their was no malice involved he probably didnt even realise the chainsaw was a problem.
 
at my yard, we have to endure, very low flying jets, shoots, hunt meets, quad bike whizzing around, pony and traps passing, chainsaws, bikes, mowers, etc.
I have a spooky mare, but the more she 'confronts' these situations the more she's accepting. i wouldnt expect people not to go about their business for me. out on hacks we pass very noisy strimmers, frightening spiky tractors, combine harvesters but i push her on (even though her eyes are popping out her head. because these are factors of modern day living and cannot be helped.
 
FWIW, I can see where you're coming from. Whatever the 'rights' and 'wrongs' of the situation, & whose land it was, it wouldn't have killed the guy to have given you a few minutes' grace.

My last horse was spooky & easily startled, but that was just who he was. He lived on a working farm which belonged to my grandfather, so he saw & heard plenty of machinery / chainsaws etc... but at the end of the day he just WAS extremely scatty if he felt like it. He also weighed 690 kg & I weigh 50 kg, so guess who's not gonna win if he spun round & ran off?

As I'm not v diplomatic, o/h used to explain to people there that could they please not do xyz just while I was doing whatever, eg not race quad bikes round the yard while I was trying to catch him. Once people understood that there was an issue, they were happy to give me a few minutes' grace.
 
All the workers and sub-contractrs on my estate are instructed to kill any machinery they are operating if a horse(s) appears. Some of them will be wearing ear protectors so they are warned to keep their eyes open at all times.

I want to avoid any accidents however small so I rigidly enforse this. Even if horses are travelling along adjacent roads strimmers, chainsaws etc will be stopped.

Yes I am aware that some horses will not react but some will and I will not risk causing an accident.

Yes it may waste a few minutes each day but an accident can have very serious consequences not only for the horse and rider but also to anyone else in the area.

In your case how you educate these people is another challenge as they clearly have a serious attitude problem. However I understand that even under Scottish law they have a duty of care to anyone on their land so one would hope that they have insurance in place or that they accept that if they do not they could become personally liable for any accidents that occurs.
 
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