I'll never moan about a BE event price again..

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CCj and I took Layla to a small low key Hunter Trial today, basically to trot her round some low fences and see how she coped.
The organisers a local RC had done their best, arranged for a loo, photographer, first aid, and food caravan etc, and the sun shone.
The course however was unbelievable as was the standard of the riding.
It started at under a foot, then went to 2' 3" which sounds fine until I tell you that included related distance jumps of one and a half strides, two and a half strides, steep drops into coffins which would tax an experienced horse, and one horrible jump on the top of a hill whch was four single poles not a foot off the ground in a line.. layla was great, she looked a few times, fell over on her knees jumping up out of the dreaded coffin but generally was willing and bold. She had one run out in the next class the 2' 6" at a weird jump which was like a fish's spine, all angled and wrong distances and you had to jump either all at an angle or trot and turn a little.
We got a super pic which won't we here until mid week, but came away feeling she will event with a little more experience.
Back to the riding..I have never seen so many people fall off at a show in my life!
Mostly when horses were presented sideways on to fence due to bad schooling and just dropped their heads and the riders fell off. One woman did a spectacular dismount over the fish spine jump but carried on regardless. there were so called "experts" mouthing off all over the placetelling people how to do the course and I was dumbstruck when the chap next to us explained how h has regular training sessions with an Australian natural horsemanship chap to help his jumping..(he fell off in the 2' 3" and had loads of stops, plus retired before the 2' 6" and went home for more lessons he said
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I was most struck by how unfit many ofthe horses were, puffing and panting by fence four, which was literally 500 yards into the course..
It was a low key thing and run entirely by volunteers, but we wouldn't go there again, it rode much harder than it looked as the fences were narrow (CCJ whacked her knees twice on one it was so narrow!) and not really conducive to getting a flow going over a few fences.
We will take her to Winkleigh next week if we can and do some nicely constructed flowing fences, I'll take the video if it works and hopefully she will be even better.
Oh and a last thing, our narrow Devon lanes are now clogged with ill mannered tourists, many of whom appear round blind corners on my side of the road, then glare at me as if to indicate I have no business driving a big lorry along such roads.. I reckon I met at least fifty of them coming home and now need a stiff drink.. Why don't they ever say thank you or know how to reverse? Don't drivers Up Country have smiles on their faces as thank yous? I lost count of the times I stopped to allow prats to get past me or pulled in to let traffic behind overtake..
I may just leave home before 6am this week and get back in the dark when they are all esconced in their Hotels. :
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As the title says, BE deserve every penny of the entry fees..
 
What a horrible experience and very like one we had at a ODE last year, except we went to walk the course the night before and withdrew our entry it was so bad. One of the jumps was an old bath sunk into the ground - it still had the taps on
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Hope Layla is OK, oh and as to the tourists I used to live on a farm in Branscombe and we also did B&B, if children misbehaved on the farm they usually got dunked in the water trough
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Phew - that was a long post!

She sounds really promising though! Im not surprised about what you said about the standard of riding, I stewarded at a 2ft3 hunter trials last year, I was on fences 1-4, only about 5% cleared all 4!

Then again I can sympathise alot of people dont have anywhere to do fitnes work, or practise xc...

As for the price, definitly, Im entered into an xc next weekend its going to cost me £21 to jump round a poorly built xc on pants ground!whereas a full BE ode only costs me £46 for all disciplines on a well built aerovated course!

As for tourists tell me about it. I live in a town that is the home of the industrial revolution. Ive never seen so many Americans & Chinese people in morrisons in my entire life!

Sorry about the poor spelling my keyboard is dying...
 
I dont really do XC, but bsja with both my mares. This rings so true for SJ-ing too!! Some of the distances in unaff classes are horrendous, with ponies and horses often jumping the same course.

The amount of times ive seen people fall off or horses that just shouldn't be out, is untrue.

Hand me my cheque book!! I'll pay my fees anyday.
 
i never go to unaffil these days unless i get a personal recccomendation from someone i trust. you dont know what you are getting and there is no come back if it is horrendous. At least you are ok and didnt have an accident.
 
The problem with these lower height courses is that they encourage riders who aren't capable on horses who aren't capable to 'have a go'. These same riders will happily spend £15 per entry but wouldn't dream of spending the same on a training session. This course also sounds totally unsuitable for the kind of riders the club seemed to be trying to cater for. This is a shame because it does sound as you say that they tried very hard to get it right in terms of organisation.

Lucretia - We're not all useless!!! I'm actually the preferred course builder of quite a few local shows & organisations (inc BSPS) despite not being on the BSJA list.
 
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Thats very true, but if in a mixed height class the doubles are built on horse strides with an upright coming out. there really shouldn't be any problems.
 
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Gosh, I wish I hadn't even read this thread. I am probably one of those riders who you guys are talking about.
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I go and try to do my best round unaff comps and yes, I come off sometimes. No, I don't spend no money on lessons, I invest a lot in lessons and schooling away from home etc etc.

Sheesh, I wish I was good enough to jump round a BE course on a horse capable of it... but until then, I'll carry on doing my best at unaff level, learning from falls and mistakes AND enjoying it.

I would be interested to hear how you guys suggest those of us who weren't brought up in the pony club should go about getting into comps and improving our riding if unexperienced people have no business being out having a go?
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I went and jumped unaff today - we got eliminated at fence 4, and it was only 2ft9. You have to consider that some people go unaff until their horse has enough experience to warrant them spending money on aff events. Everyone has to start somewhere. Bothered? Nah!!!
 
No I certainly wasn't referring to riders like yourself. I was specificly refering to riders who turn up on unfit horses & use the competition as a schooling opportunity, but who would never dream of having a lesson because 'they've been riding (albeit horribly) for years'.
The unaffilated circuit relies on those who for whatever reason choose not to afiliate, & caters for experienced & inexperienced alike.
 
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I was specificly refering to riders who turn up on unfit horses & use the competition as a schooling opportunity, but who would never dream of having a lesson because 'they've been riding (albeit horribly) for years'.

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But how do you tell these people apart? I dread to think what people must think of me when I go flying over my horses shoulder when he runs out *again*?

Also, I see EVERY comp I go to as a schooling opportunity. I don't go to 'win' (although it would be nice), I go hoping to further mine and my horses experience and education. If I come away having achieved something (whether it be a rosette or getting through a particular type of obstacle we struggle with) then I'm happy.

I DO however make damn sure my horse is fit enough to do the work though!
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TOTALLY agree on that point!
 
Ok. Here's how to tell the difference.
Do you spend upwards of 40 mins in the warm up trying to get your horse to jump the jump the practice fence? Do you get napped back to the start having had three refusals at the first tiny log, then turn a deaf ear to all instructions to leave the course (well you've paid haven't you?!!) until you can get a lead for you overweight out of puff horse? When it eventually (to everyones surprise) heaves itself over a jump do you get totally left behind & either fall off or manage to stay on by virtue of hanging on to the poor animals mouth for grim death? Having either got round or been made to leave do you then regale everyone within earshot about how the horse was a)ill-treated in a past life b) is in season (even if it's a gelding)c) upset by the loudspeaker, weather, or the colour of its numnah? Do you then still swear blind that the answer to your problems lies in getting the horse 'out in company' more rather than in training?
If the answers to the above are no then you are a bona fide unaffiliated competitor enjoying her horse, striving to improve, and I would welcome you at any of my events in whatever discipline!!!
 
Sorry, No that wasn't what I meant at all.
The very reason we were there was because we believe in making first outings easy for horse and rider, but may of the people there looked as if they had never had any sort of tuition in their entire riding career.
For example number three was a slope through a gateway, no jump, just a slope.
Half of them couldn't even walk down the slope never mind do the jump at the bottom!
I didn't enjoy seeing scared tense riders clinging on to their horses mouths for grim death approaching jumps, so many fell off because the horse had no impulsion whatsoever and so when they did jump it was awkward and they pitched the riders off. A good number I saw had such badly trained animals they couldn't get them anywhere near straight at a jump.
I spent a good few years of my teaching career with people who had one horse and lacked confidence. Every week in summer I ran an evening XC training session and before long had dozens of riders enjoying XC. Bristol Uni Team came at one point to help them get brave XC.
So I more than most understand people aren't all natural XC riders. But who would jump in the seat of a plane and attempt to fly without instruction? Many of the riders today appeared not to have a clue how to steer or stay in balance. Just like flying, you need advice before you actually do it!
The sort of course today needed a confident horse and rider, it didn't do nervous folk any favours, admittedly the 2' 3" was low enough to trot over but if you have a horse you can't aim at the fence even that was beyond them.
I longed to build them an easy course with wide inviting fences making use of the many uphill gentle slopes there were. Instead they had tricky trappy little fences some only five feet wide in dips, hollows and stuck on top of hills.
In the Open classes they started over two fences of no more than 2' 6" then instead of that slope were faced with a double set of steps downhill on the same slope with a nasty little log over a ditch within yards.. You wouldn't get that degree of difficulty at a BE event!
No please don't think am being nasty about novices having a go, I really applaud that, but not until they or their horse are ready, before that it ends up like today for many, a tumble and destroyed confidence.
 
Wish we could but CCj has to work tomorrow and Sunday...
We are definitely going to Winkleigh at the weekend though we have to work out how best to travel Chocolate with a mare.
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We were doing Straightgate but Winkleigh is nearer to us
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I'll email you a couple of the pics to show you what I mean about the course today...
 
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Ok. Here's how to tell the difference.
Do you spend upwards of 40 mins in the warm up trying to get your horse to jump the jump the practice fence? Do you get napped back to the start having had three refusals at the first tiny log, then turn a deaf ear to all instructions to leave the course (well you've paid haven't you?!!) until you can get a lead for you overweight out of puff horse? When it eventually (to everyones surprise) heaves itself over a jump do you get totally left behind & either fall off or manage to stay on by virtue of hanging on to the poor animals mouth for grim death? Having either got round or been made to leave do you then regale everyone within earshot about how the horse was a)ill-treated in a past life b) is in season (even if it's a gelding)c) upset by the loudspeaker, weather, or the colour of its numnah? Do you then still swear blind that the answer to your problems lies in getting the horse 'out in company' more rather than in training?
If the answers to the above are no then you are a bona fide unaffiliated competitor enjoying her horse, striving to improve, and I would welcome you at any of my events in whatever discipline!!!

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Er, yes a resounding NO to all of those *phew*!
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oww yes could be challenge how big is your box can you put a few empty partitions between the two??

Winkleigh worked out as a 90min drive each way and as was at Winkleigh last week prefer somewhere closer and different! Add to fact i'm in brum the day before watching the british open at the NEC so will be thankful for the shorter drive!!
 
That's the point I've clumsily been trying (& failing) to make. People equate small with easy when it comes to jumping, & are then tempted because it's small to have a go, even if neither they or their horse are really up to it.
 
I still do unaffiilated ODE's / XC sometimes but only at courses I know and like, I returned to one last week which I hadnt been to in years to see if it had improved, it hadnt so I wont be back!

I prefer not to do unaffiliated SJ though, hate it! The "amateur" course designers do their best but they try to recreate dog legs etc. they see at BSJA which end up very squint and just a complete joke striding wise! I spoke to one of the builders a while ago, questioning the angle and striding of a "dog-leg" (which it wasnt but was trying to be.....!) - he said it'll show up the ones who can really ride. Huh?
 
Some of the local unaf XC courses round here sound just as bad, I've entered a few turned up to walk the course, then gone home and withdrawn.

I only enter unaffiliated now at venues that do affiliated or I know. We have a very good local series of unaf Dressage run at the home of a well known Dressage judge and trainer so hers are very good place for starting out.
 
Have to say i agree with the fitness thing and it makes me mad, horses/ponies blowing so hard they look like they're about to collapse, and person on back happily sat there chatting to a friend...it really makes me mad as i was always taught finish a course, get off and walk horse down in hand.
 
Aww What a shame.

We are reasonably lucky around here for decent quality cross country courses.

There is only one (I believe it is a pony club ran event) and the course was awful. It was IMO way to advanced for the level 2'9". I would have been far better to have gone to a BE Intro event to get confidence.

If there were more BE events in Cornwall and Devon I would consider affiliating. But I am a lazy competitor and see no joy in travelling for hours and hours to get to comps.

I tend to agree that these teeny tiny courses are a waste of time. Having sat and jump judged them they are all the things zebedee has said.

When I first started jump judging I always dreaded it as the courses got bigger. Now I feel quite the opposite. I feel relief when the intermediate and open classes are running as you can just sit back and tick. LOL.
 
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