ILPH Loan Scheme, all criminals & loonies need not apply?!

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HI All!
This is prob going to end up pretty long winded, apologies in advance, but...

My horse is a bit cheeky, but very well behaved. He managed to escape from my field, into this person’s field (person X). The fence wasn't down so he probably just jumped over.
There were no horses in there so he would just have been very contented eating the lovely rich grass (because he's a pig).
Anyway, X comes down first thing, sees my horse in their top field, decides (don't know why) to move him, so catches him leads him through the 3 other fields and by all intents and purposes turns him loose on the road?!?!?!

My friend arrives shortly after; sees my horse loose on the road, panics and blocks him in. Shouts to X for a head collar or something, but X disappeared.
Then I arrive few mins later and was really quite distressed, but put him away, and can't really do anything, so feed the other horses and try to calm down.
By this time X phones my OH leaving a message that we might want to hurry down to the stables because X has turned the horse loose on the road because he was in their field.
Obviously I didn't get the message because I had already put him away at this point.
Later that day, X reappears and my OH goes to speak to X, and X was just pointing effing and blinding at me (i was sat in the car), so I got out,
I will confess I was mad, I was really mad, but I like to think I am capable of expressing my anger at those actions without swearing or going anywhere near the person.
I pointed out that on not one, but 2 occasions when her horses got loose (from their stables, because she "forgot to shut the door") I put them back in!!
Anyway, the long and short of it is, X ran at me, past my OH, and hit me in the face, so i called the police.
We are going to court in about 2 weeks, and the police seem quite confident that they will get a conviction, as there were witnesses that saw X just fly at me!
Also X has previous complaints about this kind of behavior.

I just wondered what everyone’s perception was of the ILPH loan scheme. I only ask because:

X has 3 (had 5- but one got PTS from laminitis) horses/ponies on loan from the ILPH, and one horse from HAPPA.
X is about 65+ years old, I think the ILPH is irresponsible giving so many to one elderly person.
Every single horse (from 16.3hh old mare, 15.2hh tb x 7yr old and the ponies have all had lami AT LEAST once each last summer - hence one getting PTS and then picked up another from the ILPH a few weeks later?!
The inspector comes down, once a blue moon for about 10mins and looks them over, and of course they look okay (they're not skinny rescue cases) but IMO the carers lack of knowledge, and TBH ignorance, is causing the horses unnecessary suffering.
The inspector doesn't see them walk, which is fortunate for X, because they can only really shuffle on their back feet.
I think the ILPH has a responsibility to AT LEAST educate the carer on the dangers of overfeeding, particularly ponies!!
I cannot understand why the ILPH have no contact with the vet treating the horses for lami, because the ILPH still retain ownership.

I just wondered how the people who donate money to these charities, would feel if they knew this situation.
I appreciate these circumstances are rare, but I am just so mad at the moment!!
I am awaiting a response from the ILPH, because a journalist contacted me, wanting me to sell my story, so I would like to see what their response is first.

Sorry well done to the survivors!! :-)
 
I think you've done the right thing in calling the police and getting in touch with the ILPH. I also think she should be asked to leave the yard, letting someones horse out onto the road is stupid and dangerous.
 
Good grief, that's quite an experience you went through - glad your horse wasn't hurt by the silly woman leaving him on the road! (that should be an offence in itself!!) Plus hope you are OK from her attack!

I agree ref. the ILPH, seems rather lax of them to place that many horses with an older person and also not to pick up on the fact that they are suffering laminitic attacks.
 
You poor thing - what a nightmare......I too thought the ILPH vetted the people they loaned horses out to very carefully and if that person was irresponsible enough to turn your horse loose out onto the road how can they be considered suitable. Hope all goes well for you
 
My goodness.

What a raving crazy physco!!

Personally I would pursue this with the ILPH and inform them that on previous visits they will not have seen that the horses have Lami as they have not seen them walk, but inform them they should send someone ASAP as the horses are SUFFERING from lami.

If they don't take it seriously and the paper is still interested sell your story for sure. that might get there attention.
 
I completely understand that you are angry with this person, and delighted for you that the assault is proceeding to Court. I share your disappointment that this same person seems to failing the horses placed in their care but would question whether posting that here is appropriate.

No doubt you have known for months if not years that the care given to these horses is inadequate, but have done nothing? To sell the story to the press now and make allegations about the horses as part of it, might just appear to be vicious and spiteful and a petty revenge for an isolated incident
 
Agree above Rather than going public in retaliation, perhaps letting ILPH eetc know sooner would have been better -
this aspect will not look good in the press- everyone would ask why was it not fed back to them before?
Surely after seeing the inspectors visits , you could have called them and told them that the horses cannot move?

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is about 65+ years old, I think the ILPH is irresponsible giving so many to one elderly person.

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Many retired peolple have plenty of time and exerience to devote to looking after thier horse and 65 + is not elderly.
I am not condoning this person's actions, but prejudiced generalisations weaken any case.

I would also not trust a journalist wanting to buy a story-
a neighbours disagreement and assualt is local news and not paid for. I suspect they are after a 'welfare' issue to make a front page
 
Those poor horses.

Did no-one on your yard tell X that she was laming the poor horses or would that have been dangerous?

Even if X is ignorant, I would at least hope that other people would step in and point out where she was going wrong & why it's an issue.

I do think the obvious cruelty of turning a horse onto a road has got to undo any previous good things X has done for horses.

I hope this is resolves quickly & doesn't become some huge saga!
 
I think some people have misunderstood - this person (X) is not actually at the same yard as you are they? Their land adjoins the land you have your pony at. I would definitely tell the ILPH exactly what has happened - not just the fact that they are obviously not looking after the loan horses properly, but also the fact that they turned a loose horse out on the road - this is obviously not the actions of a sane person, let alone a horse lover. I have supported the ILPH for many years and am horrified that they would loan horses to people like person X. What a terrible ordeal for you.
 
Jaylen, I agree that this should be drawn to the attention of the ILPH immediately.

But this quote 'Every single horse (from 16.3hh old mare, 15.2hh tb x 7yr old and the ponies have all had lami AT LEAST once each last summer - hence one getting PTS and then picked up another from the ILPH a few weeks later?!'

Suggests that the OP has had knowledge of this for a very long time and done nothing - until now when she has a personal issue with the older lady next door.

This is the bit I am having a problem with.
 
It would appear on the face of it that "X" may be getting volunteer visits!

If you make telephone contact with the ILPH Blackpool Centre who cover your area, and ask if the "Senior" group inspector for your area, could please pay you a personal visit asap AT YOUR PREMISES - not the loaners.

When asked the reason, epxplain you have concerns relating to X, and the issues fall under the "Animal Welfare Act 2006", introduced in March 07.
If they query your complaint - state again you require a visit from the Senior Group Inspector, to discuss the matter, and clearly state you hold serious concerns for a number of Equines owned by ILPH, and currently on active loan status!

Explain the facts of the horse being released onto the highway to the inspector, and your extreme concern of the same occuring to the ILPH loan horses, also enquire as to the records of outstanding and long term laminitis in said equines.

I would advise you log a complaint with Lancs Police, relating to the release of your horse onto the highway, with relation to the Animal Welfare Act 20006, and the endangerment of the public on the highway, caused by a deliberate release of an equine. Ask for a "Crime Ref Number" and you can be sure the incident will be logged, you can also be sure the wildlife protection officer will pay you both a visit!!
This may assist in bringing X under control

Good luck
 
I can only speak from my experience of having an ILPH loan pony. The field inspector came regularly every 6 weeks to 2 months, unannounced. He always checked my old mare over thoroughly (under rug as well in winter). When she started showing signs of diminishing quality of life it was the inspector who helped me make the decision to pts, and he even offered to be with her when the vet came if I couldn't face it. She was my second ILPH pony and I did get her quite quickly after losing the first one with colic, but that was becaue I had a donkey on his own fretting terribly. It does sound as if this person is struggling to cope with their ponies, but bear in mind that a lot of ILPH loan animals do have health problems. Although I agree they should warn of the dangers of overfeeding, as they are very keen usually on overweight horses. I hope you are alright after your encounter with this person, cannot believe any horse owner would let another horse on the road - so irresponsible. Will be intersted to hear what ILPH response is.
 
Agree this sounds very unlike what we would expect of the ILPH, but even they only have a finite resource. Please don't be tempted to retaliate at this X person by selling your story, to the potential detriment of a generally highly regarded charity.

Sorry for your violent experience, the Police are best to deal with that and get you your justice that way. I wouldn't want to go through what you have, chin up!
 
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all intents and purposes turns him loose on the road?!?!?!

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I'm confused - Why do you say "all intents and purposes" were they on the road or somewhere safe? I understand you were upset, what she did doesn't sound responsible or fair, but if she has your horse partying on a field she's been resting or something it is probably a bit annoying for her, too - was this a first, or has he done this before?

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X is about 65+ years old, I think the ILPH is irresponsible giving so many to one elderly person.

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My guess is she's not as old as you think but, even if she is, nothing you have said makes me suspect for a moment she is infirm or incapable. (It only makes me suspect you are very young) After all, she could catch and lead your horse across several fields. Be very careful not to confuse the issues here, otherwise you are going to end up looking foolish.

Should you go to the papers - well, that depends, how vindictive are you feeling? If I was you, I'd ensure my horse can't escape into her fields again. And contact the ILPH if you genuinely believe there is a problem with the welfare of the horses she is caring for.
 
My name is Samantha Lewis and I work in the ILPH UK Operations department which deals with our Loan Scheme. As you mentioned, we do check all potential homes and borrowers before putting any of our horses on loan. We also check every horse several times a year once they are in a loan home. However, it would simply be impossible for us to check the horses constantly, as well as being unfair on the borrower to do so. Outside our regular visits, we must rely on the borrower to contact us if they have any problems or, if necessary, rely on the general public to contact us if they have concerns about our horses. I can find no record of anyone contacting us about this particular situation and, with over 1700 horses on loan, there is no way we can establish which horses are involved without further detail. Please give me call directly on 01953 497217 so we can take the necessary details and look into it immediately. If anyone has any concerns about any horses in the future, please call our welfare hotline free on 08000 480180.
 
If a vet had been treating them for laminitis, X has done the right thing by calling them. Not all cases of lami are due to overfeeding - sometimes there are other causes. I dont think you should be condeming the ILPH without all the facts. I am sure the vet has given advice about the causes of laminitis and how to prevent it.
 
Thanks for replying to this post Samantha. Hopefully the OP will contact you and the welfare of these horses can be checked. As already stated I found the field officers who visited me when I had ILPH ponies to be very thorough and always ready to offer help and advice.
 
Since the OPs horse originally got out onto X's land, despite the obvious irresposibility of X letting it out onto the road, won't the OP still carry the blame as owner? I thought the owner was always liable even where totally blameless; unlike the OP?.....
 
I am sorry if I have said something out of turn or offensive, but I am very upset about the whole thing.

As for not doing anything, i got my vet to speak to her, which made her call her vet, which resulted in him coming out and putting one down.
I thought they were all her own horses, that's why I never did anything, it is only fairly recently i found out they were all from the ILPH, which shocked me!!
To be honest, i know you prob think this is incredibly weak and sad, when i think about how she attacked me and what she did to my horse, and it only upsets me so much because i can't understand why. And maybe I am feeling a bit vengeful and spiteful but i don't think that makes me a horrible person, but can you tell me how I am supposed to feel. I am sure it will pass, but if someone had put your horse on the road, and the physically attacked you, then laughed in your face, how would you feel?

alleycat, why am I to blame, I understand I could be liable, but don't think I'm to blame?
He just jumped over he has not done it before, when her horses got loose I put them back?!

I am going to contact the lady direct today
 
I'd just like to thank people for their kind replies earlier, it actually made me feel loads better. Because you start to wonder whether people like that are normal, and your the loony sometimes
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Contact the ILPH direct ASAP and log not only your concerns re: lami but also that X turn your horse loose on to the road when it strayed onto her land (this fact should also be reported to the police along was a totally irresponsible act which endangered your horse and public alike).

I would discourage you from selling your story as the only losers are likely to be the horses as I feel the ILPH will be painted in a very bad light, which will no doubt result in a loss of donations. I feel certain that once this has been brought to their attention, they will investigate fully.
 
i have spoken to the ILPH and they are very keen to know more about their ponies on loan especially if you believe they are not being cared for. You do not say where abouts in lancs you are?? you owe it to those ponies to contact them asap please......
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