I'm back! Good news, bad news, and opinions on potential horse needed! :)

hi, wouldnt give any view on the horse based on the first video other than the close up of im jumping the spread struck me as very odd for a potential showjumper even though it cut in a stride before take off you could see it was very stilted. tbh couldnt see much else so not fair to judge.
I think hes a nice stamp pretty head. As a riding horse i think he looks tense if its not a lameness(which if it was i would predict was high - pelvic area stiffness perhaps?) I would say it looks to be a result of the rider who is holding him up, if this IS the case then hes not lame but it does suggest the rider is having to really hold him together only you can judge as youve ridden him. In this climate i would predict that you could find something nices for less than 3000 if your buying we are in a great climate and I really think although hes nice if thats you budget something better may come along.

Good luck and hope things work out for you :)
 
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welshponylover, I don't think anyone was intending to annoy or upset you. Really they are trying to point out potential issues (and to be fair, that's what you asked) to save you heartache in the long term. They aren't trying deliberately to ruin your fun; there are lots of lovely horses out there. It is far better that you fall in love with one that is 100% sound- that boy just doesn't look quite right, unfortunately.

Echo what others have said about an independent vet, should you get to that stage- what's meant to be will be! Don't be too disheartened, you've only started looking and you will find the best horse for you.
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Thanks thats a really kind comment, already started looking elsewhere...guess i just loved his character and couldnt quite bring myself to see he wasnt right...
 
welshponylover said:
if im honest, yours was one of the more helpful comments, along with others, but i am upset that people think he is crippled. purely because he is a very sweet natured horse on the ground and i fell in love with his character...having said that, me and my mum are aware of the issue, and if anyone knows of a similar but better horse for sale under £3000 please let me know...
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In the 2 videos that have been posted on here there is a great difference, It is obvious that the horse stride is choppy and stiff and that he is not going forward, it is also obvious that he is being held into a position, rather than working in an outline. In the second his movement looks immediately more pleasing to the eye, whilst I haven't looked closely at his gait and movement in the second video, you can see that the second rider is not fussing with the horses head, and is leaving the mouth alone, whether or not there is a problem anywhere else, I would suspect that this horse may be uncomfortable either in the mouth or could even be in the neck. When the head/mouth is left alone, he is a lot nicer to look at, I don't think it is a case of the 1st rider simply blocking the horse, there is definatley more to it than that could be a few things need tweaking, but I have a feeling that it isn't happy in its mouth.
 
On second look, he still doesn't look right in the second video, still a bit stiff but a marked improvement on the first vid, still think there is something going on upfront though and probably in the mouth
 
Horse is not sound end of. I suggest OP gets a full vetting on this horse before deciding to part with any cash. Also get a vetting done with as little notice as you can and even asking for xrays too. Sorry but I am very mistrusting of people after seeing someone get sold a cripple and duped by a dealer. It certainly makes you very wary of anyone selling a horse. Any horse and any seller. A horse is always being sold for a reason and it is not always the right reason.
Young or not that horse should not be moving like that.
I am no expert and don't have fancy schooling lessons or horses costing thousands, however I can still spot a lame horse when I see one.
On the first shots the horse does not look like it is engaging properly on its hind legs. The action just looks wrong. Whether it is stifle, hocks or back I am not sure. It could be a combination of all those. It was also not going forward and it some cases almost trotting on the spot with its front legs.
On the video in the school with the jumps and when going on the right rein the horse was especially unsound on the left hind leg, very markedly so.
This horse should not be jumping at all with its action like it is.
No wonder so many horses do end up being crippled when there are people who really should know better than to jump horses that are either unsound or too young physically to cope, or both.
OP asked for opinions on the horse and I hope she takes them on board.
I certainly would not be paying £3000 for this horse. Like others have said there are horses better than this for this money and even less. It just depends on where you look ;)
 
hi hun

I can see why you have fallen for him, he really is sweet and gorgeous. However something really isn't right it could be something as simple as getting all the usual back teeth saddle and he 'could' be fine BUT equally it could be something that cannot be fixed and you end up spending all your money and still don't have a horse to ride only one that needs looking after

I went to see one once and he seemed wonderful, so much so even as a nervous rider I galloped him in an open field. I then noticed his hind leg swung inwards and there was a slight hump on his rump on the same side. I was gutted, but my vet advised on the phone to walk away so I did :(

I few weeks later I found my dream horse

There are lots of horse for the budget you have. Chances are if they are still available in a month they are not what the owner says and someone else has already seen what is wrong and walked away, you only have to look on here the amount of people looking for horses for RC and sane sensible type. THEY SELL despite the climate. nowadays people are a lot more careful, the internet has made people realise just how often and badly horses can go wrong

The horse I have now was a good bit less than your budget and is a truly wonderful young lad

Good luck
 
What a super smart little horse - it's so unfortunate that the video is of such poor quality in the arena.

He's not being ridden forward at all, so it's difficult to tell how he moves. He's also not being terribly well ridden, which manifests itself in not going forward, and motorbiking a bit. He looks green, but that's no biggie at his age.

But as with all these things - if you like him, have a second visit with a knowledgeable equine friend, and if you still like him get him vetted and go from there.

Let us know how you get on. I like him :)
 
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lots of different opinions...we might go back again with instructor and look at it from a different perspective BUT i have found a bargain horseyy (15.2hh rising 6 ISH mare) for the same price who looks sound so might go see her...thanks fore everyones advice and for those of you who think he is a sweet horse -- i agree! x
 
I am sorry you are upset I called him 'crippled', it was not my intention to upset you and I appreciate you like him. You did ask for advice though and in my opinion, from the first video the horse looks like he has serious physical problems, which is what I meant by 'crippled'. Crippled = unable to use a limb/limbs (this is the dictionary definition, crippled does not mean 'useless').

In the second video he is better but still not tracking up, not turning at all (he cuts all corners) and his quarters appear to be in in canter.

At the end of the day if you are in love with him get a specialist equine vet to vet him and if he passes who cares what crap I write on the internet?
 
And Welshponylover - now having read the whole thread, don't take offence quite so easily when people give you their opinions on a horse you are asking for advice on. You will always get conflicting views, take them all on board and use the experience that others bring forward.

As I said in my post - I think he's super smart but essentially being ridden badly and is green.

However, others - like Martlin (who will have far more experience than I) disagree.

People only want the best for the poster who asks for advice - and to ensure that rose tinted glasses are well and truly put in a drawer when looking to buy a new horse........

Anyway - let us know how you get on.
 
Ditto AmyMay's wise words.

As to Booboo's, she is not in the habit of being harsh and I didn't read her words as being so but I'm not you OP (teenager half in love with the pony in question).

I hope you find the one for you, be it this one or another one, and that you go on to have a lot of fun together.
 
My mare looked relatively similar to this gelding when I went to try her. Not tracking up, tense through back and neck, cutting corners etc. She was 5 stage vetted and x rayed before I bought her and passed.

She had always been used as a showjumper. When I brought her home it quickly became apparent that she hated jumping, it made her very nervous and tense. So she was turned to dressage and the serious reschooling work began.

It has taken almost a year to get her to relax and use herself. Some horses are just not suited certain jobs and my girl was no showjumper, so she had been ridden very tight and cautiously to ensure she didn't have a choice.

If this horse passes a vetting I foresee lots of reschooling work, first off getting him to move forward and straight taking the contact for himself and using his back and hind end.

The video makes me think of a horse that has been held a lot, possibly with a strong bit and is afraid or doesn't know how to go forward.

Best of luck in your search OP, I hope you let know how you get on
 
To me he just looks really tense and not moving forward atall. Doesn't seem to be taking a contact so perhaps strong bit or sensitive mouth. If he is tight and anxious he's unlikely to swing through from behind. It could make him appear stilted or stiff.

I'd really want to see him lunged and ridden by someone who lets him move on.
 
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