I'm Becoming Increasingly Irritated ....

Tia

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....and finding myself actually agreeing with FeuFolet on one of her annoyances.
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A lady bought a horse from me a year or so ago in the knowledge that the mare had run with my stallion for 3 days. Nice horse, well mannered, easy to ride and calm. For those of you who are familiar with the horses I have had, she was the lovely chunky chestnut mare with the big white blaze, stockings and the white splash down one side of her quarters and she had the beautiful long blonde mane and tail; the one who had the little foal at foot when I bought her.

Anyway, this lady (nice but none too sharp I fear) came to ride her a number of times and each time she adored her. The mare was well behaved on all days except one; this was the day that Summer (the seriously neglected mare) was dying and so this mare was obviously upset about this; however she didn't do anything bad, just didn't really want to go out for a ride. The time after, she was perfect again.

So the lady buys her and I have been down many times to show her this and that and the mare always behaves impeccably when I am there. I ride her if she tells me she is having problems and once again the mare is always wonderful and polite to ride.

Well the mare was pregnant and I told her I would be happy to take the mare back to my farm to foal her down free of charge and if she didn't want the foal I would have it. She decided to keep the mare at home so when she had her foal earlier in the year, I talked her through the pregnancy and the foaling procedures and made her aware that I and her vet were only a phone call away if she needed anything, regardless of what time of day it might be. Anyway, the mare foaled perfectly with no problems.

One of our own foals was born a couple of weeks afterwards and she came up to see her. She's been up a few times and watched us handling Legacy and taking both her and her mother out separately from the field and she knows that Legacy is a star. However I did say that this comes from doing 5 minutes here and 5 minutes there with them and that it would be advisable for her to do this with her foal so that she isn't fighting with a great lump suddenly at 6 months old.

Anyway I saw her not so long ago and she was saying that the foal was coming along well but the mare was not being good to ride. I went down again and rode the mare - she was perfect as always.

2 nights ago I received a phone call from her at 10.30pm asking my advice - I was in bed ill so had the message relayed second-hand. She had decided, after reading it in a book, that she would wean them....so off she went and locked the foal in a stable (with both doors closed) which is within the field that the mother and her companion live in. The foal smashed around, the mare became all upset and the companion was hairing around apparently; so much so that she decided to let the foal back out again.

She called me again yesterday to say that now she can't get the mare or the foal back in the stable. I told her I wasn't surprised. I asked how the mare was when she went out for rides and how the foal reacted when she went out of the field - oh we don't take her out of the field she says. Okay so I then say how are they when you take the foal out for walks - "the foal doesn't go out for walks." Okay, so how is the foal being handled? "Oh he's halter broken and leads well with the leadrope around his bottom ....." this foal is 5 months old, build like a brick p**phouse and isn't even halterbroken. He's never had his feet done, even though she knows that my one of the same age has had her feet done by the farrier tonnes of times now and is an absolute pro at it. So she asks me what should she do - and can I come down for an hour to wean him.....
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Obviously I said that wasn't going to happen; however I offered to take one of them for weaning, but apparently her fencing is not good and the horses can all escape so not sure how we would even get one up here
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. I suggested bringing them both up here and then I'd bring one back after a week. "Nope other horse can't be left alone". Good god!!

I did ask her why she hasn't taken any of my advice - she replied "I've never had a foal before and I didn't know what to do". HELLO!! I've spent countless hours of my time, given FREE, to get you back on the straight and narrow again.....and the blooming horse was only a two and a half grand horse.....not exactly major profit in it for me!

I am very tempted to say just hand the blooming foal over to me - this is exactly the sort of situation I am very unhappy with. All of my boarders who are doing this all for the first time here on my farm are doing fantastically well and I likely have had not a whole lot more input than I have given to this lady.

What to do eh?
 
Oh Kerilli that thought has definitely crossed my mind! I don't become angry with people but I am really becoming irritated with her now.....that and I have an obligation to this mare and foal.
 
grit your teeth Tia and let her get on with it! You can only do so much and I think youve already done more than most people would do. I would tell her straight that unless she does exactly as you say -mare and foal at yours and the other horse too if nec, then thats it-shes on her own: Be tough with her
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Sorry but pmsl that you are agreeing with me!

Seriously Tia, I would bite the bullet and walk away before you either loose your temper or get too emotional.

I have done both and none to pretty.

&^cking idiot woman? Why do these people not buy gerbils?
 
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ditto

failing that, offer to take the mare and foal, at a cost, to wean and start the handelling process etc etc.
other horse will just have to cope.
 
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I know I should walk away, but I do feel a responsibility for this mare and foal. The foal is already 14.2hh!
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There is no way she is going to be able to deal with him if she couldn't manage him at a few days old.
 
bill the pants off her

she obviously can afford 'expert advice' and if you weren't there she'd probably be a parelli or monty roberts candidate so I'd take the mare and foal, sort them out and bill her
 
And you would be surprised, why?
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This is, I hate to say, the problem that comes with free help - some people assume that free = not bound by rules of common courtesy, common sense or anything else that's not so common. Many people are wonderful and genuinely grateful (as well as being aware they are actually getting something worthwhile for free) but some act as if they are doing you a favour by letting you help them, setting all sorts of conditions and deciding not what they will listen to (anyone's prerogative) but what YOU should be telling them.

I still do give it away for free but I am much, much more careful now because it finally dawned on me a lot of people don't value what they don't pay for. I ended up bitter, completely forgetting that it was MY choice to help them in the first place. (Yes, yes, I know - good of the horse and all that - but you know as well as I do if she doesn't get with the program RIGHT NOW this is going to end in disaster.)

Anyway, me ranting doesn't solve your problem.
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Do you want the foal? As in, is it worth anything to you personally other than just being a horse you'd like to see do well? If so how about offering her a deal - she gets the foal to you and you will work with it, keeping tabs on your time. At the end of six months say (however long it takes to work up to the price of the foal) she can either pay you or you will take the horse. Voila, the horse is yours. Get it all in writing, iron clad. IF she pays then okay, not a huge deal and the horse is hers. If not, she's not going to take responsibility anyway and the horse is yours so at least you're not out of pocket.

If you don't want the horse . . . honestly? I'd say let her stew in it. If she wants your help tell her where she can find you and what the going rate is going to be. Tell her she can either ship the foal to you or pay you to come pick it up (and it's not your problem if her fences are crap). If she insists that someone has to come to her give her the names of other people who might be able to do so in your area. Get her to call them and see how much THEY would charge.

Of course, what will likely happen is she'll end up with an unweaned not-so-baby horse, still living with its mama. (I started a 9 year old once for someone who bought a nice mare and had it's "foal" thrown in!!!!) If so, you wait, she'll be back.

Sounds harsh? Absolutely. But I've learned you can't save them all. Horses have owners, as you well know, and if the owners won't see sense then there's not much to do about it. Even if you sweat blood to get the situation sorted - ESPECIALLY if you do - they are unlikely change their basic attitude, which is that it's "someone else's" responsibility.

Sit down and have a serious chat with her. Explain that these things HAVE to b done or the foal will be no use to anyone. I always tell people good care and good training is health insurance for horses. If the animal is a menace NO ONE will want it. (Get Shauna to talk to her - she loves telling people stuff like that.
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) Lay it on thick and realistic. She could have been done with it right at the beginning - by wanting the foal she is now responsible for the foal. Sucks to be her. Actually it sucks to be the foal.

Btw, Fallon looks great.
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Could you suggest she board all three with you until you can wean the foal, then keep the foal with you to start his handling? Would she give the foal to you once it was weaned?

As FF said, why do these people not buy gerbils!

I understand your difficulty though. I have been to ride for a lady near me a couple of times who has a 3 month old and 2 yearlings. Nothing is being done with them. They are just field ornaments. The colt yearling has not been cut as she says he doesnt need to be yet, as he only has one you-know-what descended. He is in with her broodmares and other babies? Instead of selling these nice youngsters she is trying to sell a 16yr old trail horse for 4k, and a very nervous 10 year old for 3.5k! I cannot even get on the 10yr old without her up against a fence and someone holding her!
 
If there was any way you could do it, I'd see if you could take the foal off her. Otherwise it sounds like the poor thing is going to end up wild and have something horrible happen to it.
 
Ask for the foal back and maybe even the mare if you can...sounds like she has taken on more then she can chew and is only going to cause more problems for these horses in the future...What a shame...sounds like a waste of good horses if you ask me...Ill have em....

Tend to agree with above...shooting her would be the easiest options!
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You do your very best for people, and they still stuff up. By now, in your shoes, I would be tempted to walk away but the best alternative is to simply take the youngster and teach it some manners, at the going rate, of course.
 
LOL!! That made me laugh.
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Oh I'm not shy in coming forward and have said lots of things to this lady but always in a nice kind way...perhaps it's time to take a tough line with her or just to say tough, you made the choice to have this foal, you made the choice not to listen to me therefore it's your problem.

No I don't want this foal but I'd take it and sell it next year as a decent member of the yearling equine species.....but that would be for me to take the full price of the sale and give nothing to her. Alternatively she can pay to leave the foal here over the winter and either take it back or sell in the Spring.

Thank you - I think F looks terrific too. She's a truly lovely BIG girl now.
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Thanks everyone - taking your advice now and it all sounds good. Offer a gerbil in exchange? Do you think that would be a good swap?
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This woman would of driven me mad by now!! I actually get very frustrated with people who ask advice but never act on it. I agree with whats been said really,be tougher on her,offer to take the foal(to finacially benefit yourself) and if all else fails,walk away,there is only so much you can do!!
 
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Believe it or not, but she must have ringing in her ears bless her; lady just telephoned me and told me of her next move with this foal. My goodness she is going for it! She had been thinking about how best to do the handling, she also told her husband that if she doesn't get him sorted out now then she's going to have to sell him, which apparently she doesn't want to do.

So, she is buying a round pen, is going to start firmly teaching him manners and walking on the lead and is planning to take small steps at doing things with him and his mother separately. They are embarking on putting up new posts and replacing the fencing in the field and she sounded awfully confident and thinks that she can do this. I did relent and said that I will help her once I am back home from the States, because I love to see people with enthusiasm.....then I am going down there to look after the horses for her for a few days later in the year so will help them along then....after that, I think it's up to her.

I think I must have given her a bit of a fright on the phone the last time - I was a little curt with her, but it seems to have paid off....fingers crossed.
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well tell her my round pen company ( I should say where I bought mine)ships to Canada! lol

Sounds like she could get a bargain, even if they did charge a little more for shipping. You are not that much further than I am from Kentucky!! lol

They really are pretty nice for light duty panels as well.

If you want I could take a pic and show you...say the word
 
Trouble is the Import Duty hits us hard....however even so, it still might be cheaper. Yes if you don't mind taking a photo and passing on the company details to me that would be great. Thanks Jade.
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Goodness no, of course I don't poo pick - I harrow.
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I have 5 semi's here at the moment so have my hands full for 10 minutes every hour. They are coming along very nicely. Halter breaking next week.
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Trouble is the Import Duty hits us hard....however even so, it still might be cheaper. Yes if you don't mind taking a photo and passing on the company details to me that would be great. Thanks Jade.
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I just took a couple off the camera phone so just give me a sec to upload them. I will put the contact info for them in that post
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Here are the pics Not the best quality pics, but you get the idea. I only have it partially put up in a temporary spot to chuck chester in it. I have 5 or 6 more panels in barn to make it bigger.

You can get them painted green as well but I chose clear coating as it matched my house better and was more neutral
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Not bad for the price I would say...no better or no worse than my aunts that she bought local and mine were alot cheaper
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even with the $240 shipping charges
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I think a 60ft pen is $855. You can get them any size though and if you contact the manufacturer direct and do not buy through ebay they offer you more panels for a lower cost and will include them in shipping
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here is the ebay link, but just contact them directly is my advice. You need to , to get a shipping quote anyhow
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...A:IT&ih=020



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Hey that looks really good - and the price is totally amazing! I'll pass on those details to her, thanks Jade.
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