Improving your horsemanship outside the 9-5

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Rambling really but, as it’s been development goal setting season at work, I’ve been thinking a lot about self-improvement (just more focused on improving my horsemanship/animal-man-ship than on my actual job improvement!) and the 70/20/10 rule - i.e., the idea that 10% of your learning comes from theory, 20% comes from interaction with others, and 70% comes from on-the-job experience.

Now, getting theoretical knowledge is pretty easy thanks to the Internet and, in my case, a serious addiction to buying horse books. But my concern is that I’m spending too much time with the theory and not enough time applying it. Because, ultimately, although I’m getting some more varied experience from the dog training and different RS horses, I only have regular access to a grand total of 3 horses (my retiree, the share horse, and friend’s boy), all of which are pretty easy to do and if anything enablers of me getting sloppy with my horsemanship. I’m also usually on the yard(s) alone, so limited chances to get to know other liveries and get chances to play around with more horses that way.

Probably butchering the 70/20/10 rule here but in terms of the 20% shadowing others: I’m dressage writing regularly, planning daytrips to various sales (Clitheroe and Newmarket should cover the whole spectrum!) and (semi)-feral pony herds, and spectating at clinics whenever I get the chance. Vet writing’s on the bucket list. Would love to shadow a trainer or vet, but don’t have a network so have no idea how I’d convince someone to take a punt on me.

And then getting that 70% hands on experience - obviously there’s working with my boy and the others, dog training, riding lessons, and I’ve got a clicker course booked for later in the year to work with some new animals. I know IH used to do some handling foal or feral horses courses, but those seem to have stopped. Not going back to working at a yard part time alongside the 9-5 because that near killed me, with sheer frustration at the people if not exhaustion at never having a day off. Might try get in contact with an old dealer friend to see if she’ll let me spend a holiday playing ponies with her lot, because that seems to be the closest I’ll get to working with ferals and youngsters again. And there's got to be other riding holidays that let you improve your horsemanship - the US seems full of 'mustang camps' but the UK seems incredibly lacking in that field.

Presumably, I’m not the only one trying to improve their horsemanship whilst not being willing to quit my job and dedicate myself 24/7 to horses, so what else do people do to develop in literally anything horsemanship related, outside of working with their own horses? What experiences do you think have taught you the most? Any and all thoughts, experiences, and ideas appreciated - it'd be nice to have a little community going.

It just feels like all the advice out there is either based on working with your own horses, or working with horses for a living, and I know that that’s the gold standard, but there’s got to be a way of improving and getting a variety of experience even whilst living in the city and having a 9-5 (to 6-6 as the case may be…)
 
What do you want to improve your horsemanship for? (As in, what is the goal- not why bother!)
I think the answer of what to do to improve depends a lot on what you want to do later- for instance, if you want to start a youngster of your own, doing some work with a dealer/producer is likely to be more helpful than dressage writing. On the other hand, dressage writing or watching clinics is likely to help if you're looking to compete, as would be schoolmaster lessons.
Ultimately I think there are probably not so many clinics based around handling ferals over here as most people don't want to deal with green on green/managing dangerous behaviour from both horses and humans (not saying this applies to you, but it will apply to some of the people that attend such clinics). If the feral ponies used in the clinic aren't owned by the attendees, the organiser also has the hassle of unpicking other people's mistakes afterwards.
 
What do you want to improve your horsemanship for? (As in, what is the goal- not why bother!)
Good question!

Short answer is I just want to be good at everything.

Long answer is I’m eternally trying to ride more in balance and sync with the horse, improve my equitation, improve my feel, improve my ability to benefit the horse mentally and physically through schooling and groundwork, and generally be able to speak horse / problem-solve better. I want to be half-decent working in any discipline, from polo to dressage, horseball to carriage driving. I want to feel competent enough that I could take a punt on something dodgy from a sales and make something out of it.

Specific goals would be improving my flatwork (which I’m probably doing the most for - used to have lessons on a GP schoolmaster, currently have regular lessons on a Adv Med pony which is good enough for now, and then obviously schooling the share and dressage writing); improving my ability to train (which is what the dog training / clicker experience is helping with, but you always need experience with more individuals); and getting more experience with ferals and youngstock, which is what I’m sorely lacking at the moment, beyond a very green youngster my instructor lets me have a play on ocasionally.

But, again, crux of it is I just want to be good with horses. If someone came up to me one day and said they could get me experience learning how to best show Arabians - something I have no particular interest in presently - I’d take up the opportunity without a second thought.
 
Sounds like you're already doing a fair bit to get there!
Regarding getting experience with ferals/young stock, it might be worth putting out feelers in your current equine circles to see if anyone know somebody that is producing youngsters and/or buying in from drift sales to bring on that you might be able to shadow?
 
No one is going to be really good at everything. There isn’t the time even if you didn’t work for that!

I would suggest to break your overall ‘goal’ down into smaller, more achievable chunks. Focus on each chunk until you feel you have got to the level you would like; then pick a new one.

Ferals - there are lots of people who take one or two; dealers who take in more from sales like Chagford; charities who do similar. Charities would probably be the places to enquire because they would have the insurance needed for volunteers. There is a huge amount of timing and ‘feel’ involved to do a good job - which most people can develop but some never do. A good way to have a go at developing that feel might be to do some training in a NH method - like Intelligent Horsemanship (Kelly Marks). They have courses you can do. I had one of their trainers out once - she couldn’t help (horse had defied a series of professionals’ knowledge by this point so no great surprise) but she did have a solid approach and she definitely didn’t make anything worse.
 
Out of interest, you say 'vet writing' is on your bucket list. What is that?
It’s a volunteer role at endurance events. Literally, writing for the vet. I’ve done it a few times for SERC and EGB and found it really interesting, despite having little experience of endurance riding.
 
It’s a volunteer role at endurance events. Literally, writing for the vet. I’ve done it a few times for SERC and EGB and found it really interesting, despite having little experience of endurance riding.
Friend of mine did it for a big local show and at the races, learned an incredible amount!

I've just done a 6 week theory course on Equine behaviour and learning theory with my riding instructor/ behaviourist which was actually not just good for theory, as I got a lot out of talking to the other people there. 20 people and probably 200 equine "issues" to talk about. When the course is available online I can link it!

I've done a few in person workshops with her last summer too where you don't work with other peoples horses directly but you do observe them working through things and I got so much out of that too. Some horses are similar to yours and you get to take away things that might work for you. Some horses are so different and you get to see a completely different way of training with the same foundation but different methodology. I probably learned more from the observation days than I did from the workshop I brought the pony to!

Did a BHS CPD day that was intended for professionals but nothing to say a lay person can't go and learn!

I try to just be a sponge as much as possible. Within the 5-6 people I'd call good friends who have horses, they are all very different. Sometimes you work through problems together, see what the professionals they get involved have to say, what works and what doesn't work. If you're polite and friendly and interested, less close acquaintances like to talk about their horses too and you can usually glean something useful from any conversation, even if its "yikes, I wouldn't be doing it that way" 😂

I did also do the 3 years at the rescue yard, but similarly to yourself I can't go back to that while I have a FT job. Its too much physical work even if it was the best way to get regular hands on experience.
 
You cant be a competent rider and driver without doing it. To reach a decent level takes hundreds of hours of focused work. While visiting sales is fun and interesting, thats all it is. An interesting experience that gives you a bit of background information but its not going to improve your riding or handling skills the way riding or handling will. The reason people are good at those things is because they are doing them day in day out.

If you want to learn about feral horses buy one. Plenty of cheap new forest colts you can pick up for pennies. Same with little hairy cobs. If you want to learn to drive get a driving pony/horse and carriage and learn. get the right pros to support you and off you go.

Ive done all of those things, separately, not together. Invested thousands of hours and a lot of money into it. Learnt a lot, produced nice youngsters from feral unhandled scruffs, taken an unbroken pony to competing at driving trials, bought lots of cheap projects and turned them around. Thats how you learn. Experience. The reading and other stuff is just background noise to actually doing it.
 
I know the 10,000 hours to be an expert is arbitrary, but generally if you want to be good at something then it needs your focus. I've easily surpassed that in the saddle but as a "general purpose" rider and if I wanted to specialise then I'd need to put the 100s of hours into that 1 thing.

You can get very theoretical from books / clinics but hands on makes a massive difference that just can't be gained through study.

I'd choose your "thing" & go for it. If it's working with a young feral then the NF & Welsh sales will give you plenty of choice. Just stick with it - i had to PTS a NF when I bought this place. He'd been here for 15 years with F.all handling and was dangerous. I've worked with random horses all over the world and that meant I had enough hours under my belt to assess a 17yo semi feral and put human safety first.
 
From a riding point of view, have you considered some mechanical horse lessons? I've been finding them really helpful for balance and position issues. The other option would be some lessons on a dressage schoolmaster. I'm doing that occasionally with a classical dressage instructor.
 
It’s a volunteer role at endurance events. Literally, writing for the vet. I’ve done it a few times for SERC and EGB and found it really interesting, despite having little experience of endurance riding.
Ah! Got you!! I've actually vetted at loads of EGB events, and always had a writer, but didn't twig this was what you were referring to 🤦‍♀️😆
 
Thanks all for your replies.

I have done several mechanical riding lessons and schoolmaster lessons; will check out the BHS CPD days; and did already know about the IH courses, which currently don’t seem to be running, but it’s good to hear positive (or at least not negative) feedback. @smolmaus - was your friend writing for endurance racing or flat/NH racing proper?

Just to clarify re the other replies:

I live in London, travel frequently for work, and have no interest in moving or changing professions for the time being, so absolutely no chance of me buying a feral for at least the next decade or so because it wouldn’t be fair on them.

I’m not trying to be an expert in anything and I’m quite happy working towards being a semi-decent nagsman of all trades. I just want to maximise what little free time and annual leave I have at the moment to keep working on my horsemanship: to have short term plans goals to tick off the list whilst I wait for the long term ‘disappear off to Wyoming and spend 24/7 with mustangs’ to become an option.

Do I think going to the sales is as valuable as buying myself a herd of Welshies from Brecon and using them as guinea pigs? Obviously not. The aim of this thread was more along the lines of, given the ideal options aren’t possible, what’s next-best for while I’m living in the city and spending 60 odd hours a week sat at a desk.

But it sounds like my best bet is asking around with the people I know irl to see who knows of anything going.
 
. @smolmaus - was your friend writing for endurance racing or flat/NH racing proper?
Proper big girl racing, flat and hurdles. Our vet does quite a lot of it.

But it sounds like my best bet is asking around with the people I know irl to see who knows of anything going.
Yeah, say yes to EVERYTHING and see what happens. So long as you're enjoying learning, nothing is time wasted. Meet people, get contacts. My friend who wrote for the vet has a list of contacts like you wouldn't believe just from always saying yes, showing up, being helpful and eager and a good sport.
 
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