In a bit of a difficult situation...

wait till the next time she does it then show her what her horse has done shortly followed by the YO and make a firm complaint. Its downright rude to allow your horse to pee over someone else's part of a yard.
 
Hope YO sticks to her word and it gets sorted out.

Could the rugs you are not using go in your garage or shed at home? Or, with 28 rugs for one horse might I suggest ebay? That is a shed load of rugs!!! :D
 
M&S ChristNatch said:
Hope YO sticks to her word and it gets sorted out.

Could the rugs you are not using go in your garage or shed at home? Or, with 28 rugs for one horse might I suggest ebay? That is a shed load of rugs!!! :D
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Its a bit diffiult as I still live at home with my parents, garage is full of dads precious motorbikes and shed is your typical shed - full of crap! ahaha I know, considering i've had my horse 5 years and he has only been rugged for two of those - it is slightly worrying :D
 
rachaelstar said:
Yes I agree, everyone is just so very closely knitted and yo said it would be best for me to speak to her so that she doesnt get involved - annoying I know!

Thanks for your help :)
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Go back to YO, tell her that you have spoken to the other livery, to no avail. Ask YO what SHE is going to do about it. I certainly wouldn't put a pallet down in case one of the horses put a foot through it.
 
rachaelstar said:
her horse never goes in the stable, she keeps her dogs in there whilst she is at the yard but never seen the horse in the stable the 5 years ive been there. She weaves in it, but she weaves outside her stable anyway. Dont understand why she cant put her horse in the stable for 2 minutes to see if she will wee, if not turn her out.
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Why don't you ask if you can store your stuff in her stable (covered from the dogs) if she never uses it? Easy enough to move if she needs to box her horse.
 
piebaldsparkle said:
If it makes your eyes water think what it will do to the horses eyes and nasal membranes when stood in all night..............:(
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OP said the livery neigbour in question never used her stable for the horse in the 5 years she had been there and it was outside this stable i suggested (slightly tounge in cheek) sloshing down with jeyes fluid..

im not entirely stupid and if you read OP properly you'll see horse isnt in all night.
 
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Echo Bravo said:
Get a couple of pallets to put your stuff on, so if this lady's mare pees again near your stuff it will not contaminate your hay and such like, but make sure your headcollar is put away not dangling on rope or on floor.
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This ^. You can get really sturdy pallets which have only a small space between the slats, and they are very strong and you couldn't get a hoof through them as the gaps are only an inch or so apart. There's a firm near us does fast food kitchens and when they've fitted them out their pallets are left in a stack for people to collect, and they are very very strong!
 
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This sounds horrible and I would be absolutely livid to have it happen even once to me, let alone regularly! Hopefully your yard owner will deal with it but just in case she doesn't, next time it happens pull your phone out and video the mare doing it and the owner standing there watching, then bag up your wee'd on stuff and take it and the video to you yo asking them to deal with the situation. I seriously doubt the owner will want to be videod this way for all to see and maybe it'll put her off doing it!

Utterly unacceptable behaviour and I too would be collecting the wee in a bucket and pouring it on her stuff if she'd treated me the way she has you.

Alternatively if your yo won't deal with it tell her she needs to move either you or the owner to another box away from each other, suggest she puts one of her horses next to this woman and don't back down or feel guilty about raising the subject. If in any doubt point all concerned to this thread for other takes on the matter.

Stick up for yourself, be firm but calm and don't back down. Good luck and let us know how you get on :) x
 
rachaelstar said:
Please bare with me as this will be long.

Basically are yard is set up where we have 6 stables in a row indoors and we each have our own ally ways and space infront of our stable to keep our belongings and hay. Infront of my stable I have my area and a post with a tie ring that I tie my horse too as if I tie him infront of stable door he always gets his bridle/headcollar caught and breaks them. The post is infront of my stable so it is my post but thats besides the point just trying to create an image in your heads :p

The lady next door to me has a horse that weaves, fidgets etc and she has no control of as she is quite nervous, she refuses to put her in the stable as she weaves in there so she lives out 24/7 and brings her into yard to tack up etc. Basically whenever she brings her horse in she wees (like niagra falls) all over the concrete, the wee runs into my hay, all over my rugs and today soaked my headcollar which was hanging by my tie ring whilst I was riding. A couple of days ago the horse weed over my stable into my water bucket too! Now my little nf pony was gelded late so you can imagine the fun I have but thats besides the point, I dont think its acceptable for someone elses horse to wee all over my belongings and all over my horses rugs etc, it smells, its unhygenic and is totally out of order. The lady then had the cheek to say I once left my wheelbarrow infront of her stable?! So thats not acceptable but its okay for her horse to wee all over my things.

I spoke to yard owner about the situation and said it was best to approach her directly as she is a lovely lady and wont take offence so today I did when i saw the state of my headcollar. I very politely said I wasnt very happy etc and explained it wasnt very hygenic and I want to do (hopefully) high level showing with my horse in the summer and do not want him stabled (in the day, out at night in summer) in the day next to horse wee with flies all over it and then landing on him. I said Ive had to take rugs home to wash and clean grooming box etc and could she possibly catch it in a bucket or sort her horse out before she sorts her car and trailer out as she just leaves her horse tied up whilst she sorts other things out. I said it all very politely and unoffencivly as she is a lovely lady and helps me train my dog etc and get on with her well.

The lady didnt take it well at all, infact she absolutely flipped and went MAD at me! Saying how dare I her horse can wee where she wants, I should move yards, I once left her wheelbarrow infront of her stable, I am not discussing it further, she is just an animal etc.

I text yard owner what happend and havent had a reply.

What should I do from here? I cant move my stuff and dont feel I should move my stuff as its infront of my stable causing no one else problems. There was another lady there on the yard watching over and I did ask her after if I came across rude at all and said no not at all.
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YO is passing the buck. Lean on him. You are not paying livery fees to have to fight your own battles in this case. YO is responsible, at least morally and probably legally, for the behaviour of his clients. If you are a BHS Gold member you can get advice from them on this issue. It might be worth mentioning this to YO as if the yard is registered with BHS he may not want to fall out with them.
 
Having done more reasearch the ammonia in wee is a big factor in respiratory problems in horses....a nice vet bill coming her way if she doesn't do anything about it....
 
If the stables are arranged so that wee (or water) would normally flow past your stable I think it is up to you to lift your stuff off the floor. If you have an inordinate amount of stuff (the rugs) outside your stable I can imagine that your neighbour has been silently seething for a while.
Pallets trimmed to fit neatly under your stuff, a waterproof box, and a cover for a hay bale is the way forward.
Throwing a bucket of wee on her stuff is probably as sensible as punching her.
 
D&c&e - can't quote as on phone.

It's so hard to explain lay out but have stables I'm row and big areas of concrete infront to put all our stuff. I do have loads of stuff but it's all very neatly organised and placed and folded, nothing on floors etc other than grooming kit so my stuff is certainly not getting in her way!

It's the way forward if she pays for the pallets/boxes.
 
As someone without a stable, whose horse occasionally pees on the yard, I would be mortified. My horse is never in a position to pee on anyones things, and I always clean up the mess. Am stunned by her attitude, does she not keep a bale of straw to use for moping it up?
We had a slightly different situation when our horses were stabled. The yard was on a slant, and when one of ours pee'd in her stable, it ran out the front and into another livery's box. We took immediate action so it didn't happen again.
I'd put her hay in between where her horse pee's, and your horses hay, let hers get polluted and see how she likes it.
 
This is bloody ridiculous.

The simple solution, which the YO should sort out today is:

Tell the bloody woman to put her horse in its stable, no exceptions.

It weaves - so what - a weaver will weave outside the stable, at the gate, stood in the yard, etc etc, they don't die from it

Total stupidity.

Oh AFWIW I would totally disagree with puting down pallets - apart from feet going through they aren't made by carpenters and the nails on those things are vicious.

I am outraged for you
 
I hope it gets sorted, what a PITA.
If her dogs are male, perhaps you collect some in season bitch wee and put it in her stable. I like the idea of you peeing on her stuff best though!
Hope YO sorts it today.
 
rachaelstar said:
D&c&e - can't quote as on phone.

It's so hard to explain lay out but have stables I'm row and big areas of concrete infront to put all our stuff. I do have loads of stuff but it's all very neatly organised and placed and folded, nothing on floors etc other than grooming kit so my stuff is certainly not getting in her way!

It's the way forward if she pays for the pallets/boxes.
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Slightly confused here, but if 'nothing' is on the floor how is the pee running into your stuff?

PAY FOR PALLETS!! Why would anyone pay for pallets? Go to your local feed merchants and I'm sure they will happily give you some.

TBH it sounds more of a problem of inadequate drainage and storage areas/stuff stored incorrectly.

So what would happen if the woman washed down the pee with dilute disinfection? Would this go into you hay/rugs too?

I have a mare and a stable in a barn and on occasions she will pee when tied up outside her stable (nothing gets pee'd on as the passage is wide enough and drains down the middle, so I just swill it down and sweep it away down the drain. In the summer as she is a total tart I tend to tie her outside, but she is just as likely to pee the full length of the barn when I put her in the stable for the day, even with me keeping her moving, she will happily pee and walk when in season).
 
Slightly confused here, but if 'nothing' is on the floor how is the pee running into your stuff?

If you read all of OPs replies, her hay is on a low metal pallet already, and her rugs are hung up. Her things are getting covered in wee by splash back and the direction the mare is peeing in.

PAY FOR PALLETS!! Why would anyone pay for pallets? Go to your local feed merchants and I'm sure they will happily give you some.

If a horse puts a foot through one, its going to be nasty. No matter how well set out they are or out of the way, it isn't an ideal risk to be taking. Regardless of the strength or the gap between the slats, if a horse puts enough weight on something, it is not going to be a nice outcome. OP has also in a previous post stated she would prefer not to use wooden pallets.

TBH it sounds more of a problem of inadequate drainage and storage areas/stuff stored incorrectly.

Or perhaps an inconsiderate owner? I'm sorry, but who the hell lets their horse knowingly puddle everywhere outside a stable? Putting it in the stable an having some shavings down would be far easier!!!

This woman should put her horse in the stable. If it weaves, it will weave wherever. It sounds as though the woman can't be bothered to clear out her stable. Put the dogs in the car an the horse in the stable. Easy.
 
rachaelstar said:
Having done more reasearch the ammonia in wee is a big factor in respiratory problems in horses....a nice vet bill coming her way if she doesn't do anything about it....
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You say that the woman washes the urine away, so if you store your kit out off the wet floor, you'll be fine. No chance of respiratory disease from the concrete. The possibilty of a big vet bill is a little OTT, other wise every stabled horse would be very ill.
 
The vets bill thing is silly, OP. Yes amonia has been proven to paralyse the cillia in a horse's respiratory system, yes that means that pathogens are more likely to get in and take up residence causing respiratory problems, no you would never a) prove it was her horse's wee alone that caused it b) want to knowingly allow your horse to get ill for the sake of slooshing some pee away.

No, she won't buy you boxes etc, be realistic. If it would solve the situation, buy them yourself.

Hope YO sorts it out today.

And still... 28 rugs for one horse! :eek: Sell 20 odd of those and it'll pay for your wee proof storage solutions ;)
 
rachaelstar said:
A couple of days ago the horse weed over my stable into my water bucket too!
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Sorry, I'm having trouble picturing? She was in your stable/open door or you have low walls? If low enough for her to wee over I'd be a little worried about having a late gelded horse next to her anyway. (Sorry if I'm just being silly here!)

Talk to YO again, she shouldn't have asked you to approach directly, it is her responsibility. I'd request to move stables if possible. Or ask if the lady could be told that the horse is required to be put inside the stable while she is not there. If on a slope, perhaps simply switching stables?

I'd remind that it is starting to cost you a lot in terms of time and cleaning bills/wasted hay. Don't know if it's the kind of yard where it's worth mentioning that you are very unhappy at the moment which is a pity when everything else is so good.... push her into sorting the situation?
 
RiderLizzie said:
Slightly confused here, but if 'nothing' is on the floor how is the pee running into your stuff?

If you read all of OPs replies, her hay is on a low metal pallet already, and her rugs are hung up. Her things are getting covered in wee by splash back and the direction the mare is peeing in.
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Good god how narrow is the passage or how much 'stuff' is piled in it for that to happen!

RiderLizzie said:
PAY FOR PALLETS!! Why would anyone pay for pallets? Go to your local feed merchants and I'm sure they will happily give you some.

If a horse puts a foot through one, its going to be nasty. No matter how well set out they are or out of the way, it isn't an ideal risk to be taking. Regardless of the strength or the gap between the slats, if a horse puts enough weight on something, it is not going to be a nice outcome. OP has also in a previous post stated she would prefer not to use wooden pallets.
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Actually she stated if the mares owner would pay for pallets she would use them!:rolleyes:

RiderLizzie said:
TBH it sounds more of a problem of inadequate drainage and storage areas/stuff stored incorrectly.

Or perhaps an inconsiderate owner? I'm sorry, but who the hell lets their horse knowingly puddle everywhere outside a stable? Putting it in the stable an having some shavings down would be far easier!!!
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Wow you have toilet trained yours have you? There is no reason why the mares owner should not be able to tie outside her stable if all do the same, and provided she washes down if the mare does wee (which should not be a problem with correct drainage and adequate storage.


RiderLizzie said:
This woman should put her horse in the stable. If it weaves, it will weave wherever. It sounds as though the woman can't be bothered to clear out her stable. Put the dogs in the car an the horse in the stable. Easy.
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Why? She is obviously happier grooming it outside its stable. I always tie mine outside her stable to groom, so I'm not trudging round on bedding.

Without knowing the set up it is impossible to say who is right who is wrong, but to me it sounds that the yard has inadequate storage and poor drainage, the OP has too much stuff outside their stable and have stored it badly and the mare owner it guilty of not washing down the wee (but then if she did that may cause more problems), she can't seriously be expected to stand bucket in hand the whole time her horse is tied incase it does a pee!:rolleyes:
 
Quoting is difficult a I am on phone.

Knowing the yard layout, the passage isn't narrow, and things are stored in a tidy and neat way, so they do not interfere with access for others. I think you are failing to read that it is the direction in which the mare is peeing in. While the woman stands and watches it happen. I am not saying that she should groom the horse in the stable, I am saying she should put her horse in there until it has finished it's business, and then bring it back out to groom.
No I haven't managed on toilet train my loan one. How ridiculous. As a mare, she is vile in the stable, especially when in season too. She squirts on the yard and I clean it up immediately. Not on livery though so it isn't as much if a problem.
She shouldn't have to stand the whole time bucket in hand, no. But perhaps have one handy, mares are pretty obvious when they are going to go, so she could grab a bucket and catch it when she knows it is going to happen. I do when horse goes in stable...

I hope YO gets involved to sort this out.
 
piebaldsparkle said:
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This is confusing me too... if over a wall then I'd be out like a shot... sounds like a yard problem, in addition to a poor YO.

And 28 rugs and hay :/ You have to have a hell of a lot of storage space to get all that in, but to have it all outside a stable? I can't imagine how it fits if stables are all side by side?
 
And 28 rugs and hay :/ You have to have a hell of a lot of storage space to get all that in, but to have it all outside a stable? I can't imagine how it fits if stables are all side by side?

Stables are side by side but have an alleyway between each about 3ft wide. There is then about 12ft minimum between the front of the stable an the outside wall.
 
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