In terms of Eventing, is the record of this horse good?

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I have been informed by a lady at the yard that she is selling a horse on behalf of her friend. I have been told he is a real schoolmaster and has evented to a high level. Unfortunately I know nothing about eventing and wondered if you guys can have a look at the record and tell me what you think and also what level he would have done to and what price you think he would be worth in the current market!

Here is the link to the record:

http://www.britisheventing.com/asp-net/Events/Results.aspx?HorseId=42525#completioncodes


big thanks in advance!
 
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Oooo A right mixed bag!
What happened in 2007?!?! and 8 for that matter?

Good XC record - hardly a fault to his name!

The thing is - With all records like this there are a thousand explainations and conditions that you wont know about without asking!!

I will say that at 17, and quite a few events under his belt - How is his general health??
What do you want him to do with you???
I do know that a 2* horse bought by a friend as a school master just didnt settle outside of a competition routine - he would muck about and not take the lower levels of competition at all seriously!! (Made a cracking Masters hunting horse though!)
 
XC machine!! :eek:

OK, so he's competed to Intermediate (1.20m) and FEI 2* level. Dressage is consistent and fairly good, sj again reasonable, lots of clears, a few with one or two down and the occasional 'cricket' score. Rarely faults xc although usually with a few time faults.

Brought on and competed up the grades with one owner, all seems to go wrong in 2005 with lots of withdraws/retires (injury??). Comes back ok in 06/07 but rarely completes an event. No results in 08 and then taken out by a junior for 09/10, although sj seems to be more of an issue.

He looks like he would be a ball to take xc :D However, he is a big horse and 17 which would affect value.
 
Good at the start and then tbh **** in the last couple of years. Would be concerned he's jacked it in with the amount of R's.
 
Thanks guys. I am looking for a general allrounder happy hacker and local shows. What sort of price would be reasonable for a horse of this type?
 
I've seen ads for two lately about the same age and level - one had a medical issue (slight) and was £5k (and sold) the other was £8k... I would say £4-5.

Would depend on general soundness, condition and level he could compete at - if he could still event, he would be worth it to downgrade and use for a young rider to learn from.. If couldn't event, then less, but you would still probably find a cheaper horse for what you want - you really don't need that experience (and would it be fair to do local stuff against normal horses on such a good horse anyway?)
 
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10 years of competition for a measly 48 points - and hasn't been out this year! Withdrawn/retired a LOT! Never been beyond 2* and was out of his depth there!

His value would depend on how 'easy' he is - he may have a few BE100's left if he's sound, honest and straight-forward - and if he is - then maybe £2000-3000. If - on the other hand - his lack of success is due to the fact that he is a 'tricky' ride, then he's not worth much at all!
 
Agree with JG here.

Very very sketchy record! Far too many W and R in there.

As JG mentions he's either a very tricky ride or more worryingly a niggling ongoing injury/lameness dogging him.

He was OK competing at the lower levels its when they upped him to 1* and then disaster at 2**.

Get a full 5 stage vetting done. He is 17 after all and your vet will be able to give you an idea of what he can be used for.

Good luck
 
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Agree with JG here.

Very very sketchy record! Far too many W and R in there.

As JG mentions he's either a very tricky ride or more worryingly a niggling ongoing injury/lameness dogging him.

He was OK competing at the lower levels its when they upped him to 1* and then disaster at 2**.

Get a full 5 stage vetting done. He is 17 after all and your vet will be able to give you an idea of what he can be used for.

Good luck
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this is what i thought
 
And I would also think that this is too much horse to do what she wants. 2007 was what jumped out at me plus he has evented a lot...and is nearly 18..
 
A decent record but the question I would be asking is 'why has he retired/been withdrawn from so many events? Could this be due to him being unsound, for example?
 
I would say a very mediocre record. You should expect double clears on the PN-N level consistently and his x-c record is not good. However, what is important is his age, and the fact he has a lot of competition miles on him. How long will he last? For very little money you could get a much younger horse to do RC type activities with that will last much longer. He may well not pass vetting. Good luck
 
The simplest thing for you to do OP is to go and look and try the horse.

Basically you're after a bit of an all rounder by the sounds of it, and regardless of his poor record - this horse could be just what you're after.

If you like the horse, (and make sure you take an experienced friend with you - not someone connected to the horse), get it vetted and go from there.

Let us know how you get on.
 
Thanks guys. I also posted this in CR and had two people cone forward who know the horse very well and have told me what a sweetheart he is :-) they also have told me to look at the lady who owned him other horses as she withdraws all of horse horse frequently. No idea why
 
mwill said:
Thanks guys. I also posted this in CR and had two people cone forward who know the horse very well and have told me what a sweetheart he is :-) they also have told me to look at the lady who owned him other horses as she withdraws all of horse horse frequently. No idea why
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Well that sounds promising.

Let us know what you do.
 
Be aware that a horse of this age will rarely pass a five star vetting, so really you have to accept that there will be some ifs and buts, but if you want to offer semi-retirement to a nice ride, it would probably be ideal as as long as he is willing at the level of jumping you anticipate, and you like him.
Have a good look at his passport and ask about his veterinary record, there is no harm in asking, you may or may not be told the whole truth, but at least you are building up a picture, take along his comp record and go over it with the owner.
Make sure you are not taking on an invalid though, existing conditions rarely improve, and you don't want to have to retire him in a year or so, you want something with a long term future.
He should be free moving and not stiff, so make sure he is not worked in before you arrive, also check for heat in the hooves and joints twenty minutes after he has been put back in his stable.
Good feet are essential.
 
JanetGeorge said:
10 years of competition for a measly 48 points - and hasn't been out this year! Withdrawn/retired a LOT! Never been beyond 2* and was out of his depth there!

His value would depend on how 'easy' he is - he may have a few BE100's left if he's sound, honest and straight-forward - and if he is - then maybe £2000-3000. If - on the other hand - his lack of success is due to the fact that he is a 'tricky' ride, then he's not worth much at all!
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At last someone who thinks like me !!!
I noticed he'd been taken up to intermediate level and downgraded again !!
 
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