Incident with land owner - WWYD?

rockysmum said:
I actually prefer this definition of bullying, perhaps puts your earlier post in a different light

Bullying can take many forms: from teasing and spreading rumours to pushing someone around and causing physical harm. It often happens in front of other people.

It includes name calling, mocking, kicking, taking belongings, writing or drawing offensive graffiti, messing around with people’s belongings, gossiping, excluding people from groups, and threatening others.
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Are you some how implying I am a bully? I don't understand this post.

If I am a bully the OP definitely is. :confused:
 
I to am shocked at some of the replies telling the OP she was wrong (so basically tuff), this man basically held her against her will "did he not"? is that not breaking the law? the only way to move forward was to dismount! of which he could then have assaulted her, she got in first and acted the only way she thought would get him off the horse!!:confused:

She apologised and was about to head back but he suddenly grabbed the horse by the rein:eek: (madness)
He needs help! im affraid, he should have accepted the apology and let her be on her way and waited till she was off the land.

Here is my guess, he relaised he was a pratt and panicked himself thinking "feck me, what the hell was I thinking doing that, she could have me for assault! or someone one with a few more brain cells than him advised him to go to the police when he explained what he had done";)

OP I would be telling the police exactly the above, that you did not even believe he was the land owner and you believed he was trying to assault you! why? because that's what sprung to mind when I read it and what I would think if this happened to me. I think his reaction was irrational and ott and frankly weird!!:confused:

How in the hell do you know he was even the land owner "he could have intented to abduct her, rape her, whatever!!

And feck the horse hurting him! the horse could have thrown her off and killed her and come over and landed on her, is it worth killing her for crossing some land!!, maybe he has just watched mad max on dvd:eek:. Who knows? he was clearly off this planet!

I get it's his land but im sorry it was un called for to grab the horse.
I would also be surprised if someone came into my garden or walked through it, I have a 6ft fence all around it with no access to get in. People do walk u my path at the front, my gates are wide open, if I dont want them too, I shall shut them!

To be fair to the OP, she said "ok, im sorry I will bow my head in shame and suck it up" after a few replies but people kept replying and having a dig way beyond that.
Op, tell the police you to where on the verge of making a complaint yourself fearing for other womans/people safety re this random loon bag and you where just trying to find out who he was as you where in such shock you did not take his reg number!
I would also deny the lash marks where all yours and that he could easily have inflicted some for "shock factor" as someone suggested, he probably denies holding the rein, so you should have denied striking him, if that's how he wants to play it.
 
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Did I heck, its 41 pages, i tried my best, im lying with a slipped disc:o
I read a fair bit and skimmed and got to the parts where she has been accused of riding over lawns or something, still Im going of the OP (true) only one side! but I find it alarming to grab someones horse and not expect them to panick.

Did I miss something:o apologies if I did:p
Bring on the onslaught *hides* well actually im stuck as can't really move, so just bring it on:o:D
 
Cayla if you're stuck home injured surely you should want to read all of the posts to stave off boredom whilst on box rest? ;)

I'd recommend reading it all, there are some very enlightening posts on here! Don't think the OP is coming back for more words of wisdom from the fora though! :o

Joking aside I still think she should just apologise and get the whole thing over and done with. Had it been my grandfather she belted with her crop I would be insisting he pressed charges for assault, so she's lucky to have the option to eat humble pie and save herself more trouble.

Anyway hope you're feeling better soon, most of the answers to your question are on the last few pages of the thread. :)
 
bikerchickone said:
Cayla if you're stuck home injured surely you should want to read all of the posts to stave off boredom whilst on box rest? ;)

I'd recommend reading it all, there are some very enlightening posts on here! Don't think the OP is coming back for more words of wisdom from the fora though! :o

Joking aside I still think she should just apologise and get the whole thing over and done with. Had it been my grandfather she belted with her crop I would be insisting he pressed charges for assault, so she's lucky to have the option to eat humble pie and save herself more trouble.

Anyway hope you're feeling better soon, most of the answers to your question are on the last few pages of the thread. :)
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Ok will do, you can tell im *frozen* I dont usually come in here:eek:, I found another interesting post in here and its pages long, but as you say, I have nowt to do, so im going to read on, this one and that one:D

I might move in:eek::p
 
If the gate had been locked or shut even, then OP probably not have entered the field.. perhaps if all farmers who don't want trespassers should take heed, and secure their fields properly then incidents like described would not happen..
 
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I am absolutely astounded by the amount of people on this thread who've been sticking up for the OP :eek:

My initial thoughts on the first post was that it sounded very much like the OP was being very arrogant & the land owner was bring reasonable. Why would you not give out your details?

She wasn't being restrained by him holding onto her horses rein - note, one rein, not both; could any rider really say that was restraining their horse? Mine would easily be able to shake a man off their rein :confused: That's not restraint :rolleyes:

And then to beat the LO so he has weals - through his clothes? Utterly shocking behaviour :eek:

Anyway, I wasn't at all surprised when JT clarified the situation with regards to the OP having a reputation for this behaviour.

JT I think if it were me, I would be printing off the first page of this thread & giving it to the LO & encouraging him to press charges against this woman, instead if being reasonable and accepting her apology, which sounds like it wouldn't be meant anyway, so totally pointless :rolleyes:
 
rockysmum said:
Intentional Harassment, Alarm or Distress
Public Order Act 1986, s4A(1)

“A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, OR displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.”

Points to prove:

S4A(1)(a)

Used threatening/abusive/insulting words/behaviour OR used disorderly behaviour

Towards another person

With intent to cause harassment/alarm/distress

And caused that/another person

Harassment/alarm/distress

S4A(1)(b)

Displayed threatening/abusive/insulting writing/sign/other visual representation

With intent to cause a person harassment/alarm/distress

And caused that/another person

Harassment/alarm/distress

Sentence:

Summary

6 months
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good job most judges apply common sense to the equation.

This post has made entertaining reading insofar as everyone who thinks op is correct seem to condone hitting old men with whips.

I've always understood that some people are slightly unhinged, proof is in the reading I guess. If anything this is a reminder for land owners to be more vigilant about closing and securing gates to keep people out.
 
RunToEarth said:
good job most judges apply common sense to the equation.

This post has made entertaining reading insofar as everyone who thinks op is correct seem to condone hitting old men with whips.

I've always understood that some people are slightly unhinged, proof is in the reading I guess. If anything this is a reminder for land owners to be more vigilant about closing and securing gates to keep people out.
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If you mean me, of course I dont condone it.

Was just suggesting there are two sides to everything and this had got very one sided.

IMHO both were at fault. Police seem to agree if they are sitting them down to work things out, rather than charging anyone.
 
Shadeyoak said:
If the gate had been locked or shut even, then OP probably not have entered the field.. perhaps if all farmers who don't want trespassers should take heed, and secure their fields properly then incidents like described would not happen..
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we do, but why the hell should we "take heed" and special care to prevent people being where they have absolutely no right to be? If the OH had any common sense, manners or knowledge of the countryside she would have stuck to where she legally is allowed. Want to ride somewhere not on a public right of way? Ask permission or buy it, and then spend the rest of your life preventing other people trespassing on it.
 
Trespass is a civil offence and nothing to do with the police. So regardless of if op was right or wrong to ride there there only offences the police can get involved with r the intimidation and threatening behaviour towards op and their responses/self defense.

Not saying it's right but I'd have probably reacted in same.way in that position. Where i used to keep my horse my yo said I could ride on fields as she owned them. But then I always heard people say to b carefully to not get caught by farmer as u were supposed time buy a permit. Very confusing so could have easily ended upain similar situation!! Think I would have been terrified and done what I could at the time too!!
 
My understanding of trespass is that if you are asked to leave and you do not, that will be trespass, and if you leave immediately you are asked, there will not be a case against you.

I may be wrong.

Further, that you do not have the right to detain someone on your land.

I think both parties were at fault.

Given that the OP had no way of knowing if the man was a landowner or someone about to assault her, she was only defending herself and her horse. She may have panicked a little, and used more force than necessary.

Of course she should not have been on the land , but it was a mistake.
 
An open gate is an open invitation, I know of a few people who'd be happy to gallop across an empty field. Personally, I don't. I stick to the roads, and bridlepaths.
 
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RunToEarth said:
we do, but why the hell should we "take heed" and special care to prevent people being where they have absolutely no right to be? If the OH had any common sense, manners or knowledge of the countryside she would have stuck to where she legally is allowed. Want to ride somewhere not on a public right of way? Ask permission or buy it, and then spend the rest of your life preventing other people trespassing on it.
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RunToEarth, can I just ask you what you would do if a total stranger approached you and grabbed your horses reins, when you were on your own and in the middle of nowhere?? Im guessing from your name that you hunt?? So a saboteur grabs your horses reins on a hunt?? Would you just sit there or dismount?? Is it really so hard to put yourself in the OPs position regardless of whether she should have been there or not?? Just interested! :)
 
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